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Post by LaParkaYourCar on Jun 27, 2007 0:34:30 GMT -5
Wow, I love that the word "Crossface" is even mentioned, and now that's 100% certain what did it. The writer just slipped that into the article after the "Chokehold" part so people would jump to that conclusion. And they did. THANK YOU for finally pointing that out. I thought I was the only one who noticed how the thread jumped that way. I really, really doubt it. Actually if you look back at the old thread this recent speculation started after someone posted a summary of the article. That summary was all I read because I came in late and that summary actually said he used the crossface. Now that the article has been explained I realize it was just taken the wrong way.
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Post by Chad1m on Jun 27, 2007 0:35:04 GMT -5
He also probably gave him triple Germans to get him in the bed, right?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 27, 2007 0:36:07 GMT -5
asics....don't.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 27, 2007 0:36:29 GMT -5
What you're seeing now and what you've been seeing for the past two days and what you're going to continue seeing for a while is journalists irresponsibly citing aspects of wrestling as the causes/tools of a double murder suicide. They do this to sensationalize and create fear and panic, and you are playing their game by reacting to it as if it is truth. You are here, so chances are, you are smarter than that. Please stop. Pretty much sums it up.
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Post by eman528 on Jun 27, 2007 0:36:47 GMT -5
Hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. Wouldn't it be the perfect way to destroy his family man reputation along with anything he ever did in the ring? Why would anyone give a damn about destroying his reputation in the ring? Basic fact, the man was a disturbe individual, he put his family through hell over the weekend before killing them, and then the coward took his own life. I dont care how good the man was in the ring, there is no excuse for what this P.O.S. did. Besides, ,it's not like his in-ring exploits are really that important anyway. He was a good fake fighter. He entertained us. It's not like he did something reall important like fought for our country, cured cancer, or taught our children. He entertained us. We should not overlook him murdering his family just because he was an entrtaining wrestler.
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Jun 27, 2007 0:36:50 GMT -5
These two paragraphs appear to be the sole reason everyone is speculating that the Crossface was used to kill the child. PLEASE STOP. This is just lousy, lousy reporting, with the writer inexplicably attempting to make the connection to Benoit's finisher by mentioning it in the next paragraph. There's no evidence. It's actually contradictory, since the Crossface isn't a chokehold. The writer is just trying to stir speculation in the absence of real details, which unfortunately we're probably never going to have. Actually, have to agree with you to an extent there, since I was the one who initially brought this to the board to begin with. Again, it appears to have been something similar, and the journalist couldn't quite make it work, so just threw them together in a linking. Reporters will string together anything that sounds the least bit fantastic until told otherwise. So sad this is.
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Post by danden on Jun 27, 2007 0:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by Asics Johnson on Jun 27, 2007 0:37:47 GMT -5
Um... ok? I was joking. Kind of just shows you how low those newz sites will go. Sorry, anyhow. Didn't mean to ruffle a feather.
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vampiro
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Post by vampiro on Jun 27, 2007 0:38:33 GMT -5
Okay, since we're speaking of paranoid delusions... Hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. Wouldn't it be the perfect way to destroy his family man reputation along with anything he ever did in the ring? You are seriously, SERIOUSLY paranoid or doing some wishful thinking here. This other person would also have to know Chavo Guerrero's cell phone number. And you're also discounting the now known prior records of Benoit's psychological problems and stormy relationship. This narrows the pool of suspects to pretty much nil. I got fifty bucks says you're thinking Kevin Sullivan. But get f***ing real.
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jzbadblood
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Christ, man. Can't you see what's happening? Can't you read between the lines?
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Post by jzbadblood on Jun 27, 2007 0:38:57 GMT -5
Hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. Wouldn't it be the perfect way to destroy his family man reputation along with anything he ever did in the ring? Why would anyone give a damn about destroying his reputation in the ring? Basic fact, the man was a disturbe individual, he put his family through hell over the weekend before killing them, and then the coward took his own life. I dont care how good the man was in the ring, there is no excuse for what this P.O.S. did. The whole thing just seems suspicious not to mention f***ed up to me. I'm just not throwing it out of the realm of possibility that something far more sinister than just "a disturbed individual killed a 7 year old child and his wife" happened. Remember the Amityville Horror? Could have happened here, or at least in his own mind that could have happened. I'm just, for the sake of my own curiosity, trying to come up with something. Pulling strings maybe, but so what? What harm do my conspiracy theories do? I also think Gerald Ford was behind the JFK assassination.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 27, 2007 0:39:43 GMT -5
Let me add that what CM posted there was taken from a journalist he knows, and which I linked to at the end of the previous thread. It appears now that the man may have mislead CM and, thus, me slightly.
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vampiro
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Post by vampiro on Jun 27, 2007 0:39:56 GMT -5
Why would anyone give a damn about destroying his reputation in the ring? Basic fact, the man was a disturbe individual, he put his family through hell over the weekend before killing them, and then the coward took his own life. I dont care how good the man was in the ring, there is no excuse for what this P.O.S. did. The whole thing just seems suspicious not to mention smurfed up to me. I'm just not throwing it out of the realm of possibility that something far more sinister than just "a disturbed individual killed a 7 year old child and his wife" happened. Remember the Amityville Horror? Could have happened here, or at least in his own mind that could have happened. I'm just, for the sake of my own curiosity, trying to come up with something. Pulling strings maybe, but so what? What harm do my conspiracy theories do? I also think Gerald Ford was behind the JFK assassination. Yeah, and Elvis is still alive.
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Post by LaParkaYourCar on Jun 27, 2007 0:40:22 GMT -5
"You are seriously, SERIOUSLY paranoid or doing some wishful thinking here. This other person would also have to know Chavo Guerrero's cell phone number. And you're also discounting the now known prior records of Benoit's psychological problems and stormy relationship. This narrows the pool of suspects to pretty much nil. I got fifty bucks says you're thinking Kevin Sullivan. But get smurfing real."
Actually they wouldn't have to know Chavo's number. Nancy's phone was used and Chavo's number was probably saved in her phone list.
What am I saying this is just too sensational.
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Post by Monster Under Your Bed on Jun 27, 2007 0:41:04 GMT -5
So, do any of you agree that it might be to the WWE's benefit if they tried to institute policies such as forcing workers to take anger management with problems such as domestic abuse (they did say in the press conference that Nancy was seeking a restraining order in 2003)? Maybe adding a staff psychiatrist would be good. Maybe they could look at what the NFL's attempting with their conduct policy. I mean, I know you might not be able to prevent everything, but you always try.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2007 0:41:47 GMT -5
That certainly at least gives this a framework.
I said in the (W)rest Benoit thread that, while you can't absolve Benoit of personal blame at all in this, I think a lot of what we've seen here clearly points to a mental illness, some kind of imbalance leading to paranoia and fits of violence.
From what, though? That's the big question. Was he just a whackjob from the start, simmering for years before finally blowing his gasket completely? Or did years of possible drug abuse, or even recent drug abuse stemming from the medication he undoubtedly had to use to this day for his broken neck, help to foster some sort of imbalance?
Again, I'm not exonorating Benoit here, but the details of this case are far, far too disturbing to simply be the actions of an angry husband. It does NOT sound to me like this was a man of sound mind.
As for the media coverage, hate to say it, but Vince made his bed when it comes to steroids, and now he's sleeping in it. He got caught with them years ago, won the trial, went right back to using them/having his stars use them, and only stepped back for good after Eddie's death.
As for whether steroids could've actually caused this or not, no, they couldn't be the sole factor, but I'm sure they didn't help. And, yes, the media SHOULD be taken to task for incessently trying to simplify this case into "simple roid rage", when it's clearly something beyond that. Again, though, if Vince didn't want wrestling to ever be associated with steroids, he had his chance almost fifteen years ago to do something about it.
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jzbadblood
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Christ, man. Can't you see what's happening? Can't you read between the lines?
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Post by jzbadblood on Jun 27, 2007 0:41:52 GMT -5
The whole thing just seems suspicious not to mention smurfed up to me. I'm just not throwing it out of the realm of possibility that something far more sinister than just "a disturbed individual killed a 7 year old child and his wife" happened. Remember the Amityville Horror? Could have happened here, or at least in his own mind that could have happened. I'm just, for the sake of my own curiosity, trying to come up with something. Pulling strings maybe, but so what? What harm do my conspiracy theories do? I also think Gerald Ford was behind the JFK assassination. Yeah, and Elvis is still alive. Hey man, I'm not going to take everything at face value. You can, but I won't.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 27, 2007 0:43:33 GMT -5
Yeah, and Elvis is still alive. Hey man, I'm not going to take everything at face value. You can, but I won't. Don't grasp at straws for workrate, that's just sad.
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Post by sonofkwang on Jun 27, 2007 0:43:49 GMT -5
So what's the deal with the Wiki page that reported Nancy dead?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 27, 2007 0:44:27 GMT -5
Wrestling fans need to stop fighting and band together.
Even if you aren't a Benoit fan, what he did is a black mark on all of wrestling, and it's going to make it even harder to be a wrestling fan.
We already get a lot of crap. Imagine what it's going to be like now? Especially with reporters saying garbage like Benoit killed his son with a wrestling move, or that he went into the longest roid rage ever known to man (impossible) and killed his family because of it...
Also makes me sick to my stomach to read people saying "I told you so." Good job. Your internet speculation did nothing to save Nancy or Daniel, so it means a big fat pile of shit to me or anyone else.
Instead of fighting, insulting Benoit, or insulting each other maybe we should all band together and show compassion towards the Benoit family. Instead of sitting on here fighting, maybe you should write a letter to WWE to forward your prayers/well wishes to the family and friends affected by this tragedy.
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jzbadblood
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Christ, man. Can't you see what's happening? Can't you read between the lines?
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Post by jzbadblood on Jun 27, 2007 0:44:52 GMT -5
What I really want to know though is...why didn't this mental illness of Benoit come out until it's too late. If this shit was happening up to a year ago, maybe if someone f***ing spoke up and said "hey, there is something wrong here", maybe the death of this child and his mother could have been avoided entirely. I mean, goddamn it.
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