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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:13:43 GMT -5
I know people who spent so much of their emotions and money on Benoit over the years might try to spin this a bit, but there's really no defending it. Some are saying that he was a great man for 40 years and just had a bad weekend, but how the heck do we know what kind of man he was? None of us knew him personally. The character and the man (in every case) are not the same. Maybe this isn't hitting me hard (or hitting me at all) because I never liked Benoit as a wrestler. So it's easy for me to tell him to rot in hell for what he did to his wife and especially to his son. However, like has been said already by posters, a wrestler's on-screen character and talent doesn't dictate what kind of human being he is. Please keep that in mind moving forward. On a personal note, I do find it a bit insulting that people still have RIP Benoit signatures here. Say what you want about respecting his wrestling career, but he is not the one who is deserving of our sympathy. The two people he killed are, especially the child. Benoit is a VICTIM in this as well.... from now on no one will ever remember his GREAT career... instead they will believe this tragedy.... and just for the record.... nothing has been 100% confirmed Then maybe he should've thought about that before he killed his wife and child. No sympathy from me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 27, 2007 10:14:00 GMT -5
Wrestling is unfortunately stigmatized, and ironically perhaps the greatest pure wrestler to have ever lived, a man who lived and breathed the sport has committed acts that will only serve to lessen what little respect wrestling has amongst the general population.
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Post by ameriken on Jun 27, 2007 10:16:29 GMT -5
I think if MJ was going through the same thing.... the media wouldn't piss on him...
and to answer how can one be a victim to something self inflicted...
Benoit had a mental problem of some sort.... he lost his sanity and his family....
Again though... here we are 99.9% of us condeming him....
i think the bible says it best: "Judge Not, lest he be judege themselves"
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Jun 27, 2007 10:17:14 GMT -5
Benoit is a VICTIM in this as well.... from now on no one will ever remember his GREAT career... instead they will believe this tragedy.... and just for the record.... nothing has been 100% confirmed AMEN. The "ruling" that Benoit killed his family and himself was made mere hours after the bodies were discovered. If I remember right, they found out about the deaths an hour or two before RAW aired and the murder-suicide thing was in before RAW was over or within the hour after. Now I'm gonna give this its own line because it deserves to stand out: Benoit will never have his day in court. There will be no trial. No legal defense will be made on his behalf.Especially given the circumstances around the muders and arguably around the investigation, it's not fair to decisively say "he did it." Of course, you CAN if you want to, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But it's not right to condemn a man on these circumstances.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:17:22 GMT -5
I think if MJ was going through the same thing.... the media wouldn't piss on him... and to answer how can one be a victim to something self inflicted... Benoit had a mental problem of some sort.... he lost his sanity and his family.... Again though... here we are 99.9% of us condeming him.... i think the bible says it best: "Judge Not, lest he be judege themselves" Okay, I don't follow the Bible, nor do its "teachings" belong on this message board....so does that mean I can condemn him? Good because I do.
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Post by cuneo77 on Jun 27, 2007 10:17:43 GMT -5
Benoit is a VICTIM in this as well.... from now on no one will ever remember his GREAT career... instead they will believe this tragedy.... and just for the record.... nothing has been 100% confirmed Then maybe he should've thought about that before he killed his wife and child. No sympathy from me. agreed, sometimes things are more important than wrestling. now i find two qoutes about chris creepy,1-he was a private person (dont know if he think about stuff liek this) 2- during his eddie testimonial he said eddie talked him out of alot of bad decisions, makes you wonder how bad of decisions.
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Post by Bones58 on Jun 27, 2007 10:18:29 GMT -5
Chris Benoit was probably as real as you could possibly get in the world of professional wrestling. The man encompassed everything that was Honorable and right about professional wrestling. When he stepped into the ring you could sense the intensity and passion he put into the profession he loved.
But apparently after his actions in the weekend, he has no respect for professional wrestling. Not only has he completed destroyed his 20 year legacy over the course of 3 days, but in the eyes of the general public, they hold Sports entertainment in an even more negative way now. WWE may have lost a whole new generation new marks this incident "He shouldn't be watching trash like that, turn it over!" and thus a brand new wrestling fan is lost due to 'Mr Benoit's' obscene actions.
Many younger, less experienced wrestlers who looked to this man as a friend and a role model may have lost their passion for this sport may call it quits to try something else with their life, due to the shock of Benoit's Actions. On the Raw Tribute show, you could see how much he meant to guys like CM Punk and now his hero is nothing but a murderer, a sick man perhaps, but a murderer nonetheless.
We can now only hope and pray that Benoit's remaining children find Peace and that the whole wrestling community bands together and stays strong against much scrutiny and adversity
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Post by The Varsity Club on Jun 27, 2007 10:18:54 GMT -5
What sickens me is the fact we saw him on tv last tuesday and inside his mind he had probably planned out the whole episode (premeditated).......
BTW, i didnt catch the whole story on the radio....but one of the host who is a wrestling fan said something happened very cryptic at the end of last week's ecw......Something about a sign he made......No idea and not sure if this is true but anyone rewatch lastweeks main event on ecw and noticed him doin anything out of the ordinary.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:19:35 GMT -5
And you can play the victim card all you like, its now well documented that he threatened Nancy and Daniel as early as 2003, possibly earlier, possibly later.
That means HE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY HAD MENTAL ISSUES.
That means he should've TAKEN THE F***ING STEROID NEEDLE OUT OF HIS ASS AND SOUGHT HELP THEN!
THEN, and ONLY THEN, if he did that, would he be worthy of some f***ing sympathy.
I seriously do not understand how anyone can see it any other way
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jun 27, 2007 10:19:43 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to step in and tell everyone to keep their cool. I don't want this turning into a flame fest again. I know it's a complex situation, but please keep it civil here.
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Post by Joker on Jun 27, 2007 10:22:20 GMT -5
Ok chill out and calm down, thank you. This is a thread for news and civil conversation about the event.
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Post by ameriken on Jun 27, 2007 10:23:32 GMT -5
People... people..... nothing is confirmed.....
and i too would like to know about that sussposed cryptic message on ECW
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:25:39 GMT -5
I'd like to know what some of you think about the theory that Chris had a breakdown, he put so much pressure on himself and in life-THAT'S what I think happened, after hearing stories about him over the years, he did seem to take things to the extreme, he prided himself on being a fantastic wrestler and took it very seriously, I've not heard any stories, but I'd be willing to bet he would be extremely upset with himself if he had a bad match, and I think he snapped when he felt he had failed in his relationship with Nancy
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:27:43 GMT -5
People... people..... nothing is confirmed..... and i too would like to know about that sussposed cryptic message on ECW Actually I'd say quite a bit is confirmed. What else could've happened? And please no more insane theories like "Daniel killed Nancy so Benoit killed Daniel"
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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 27, 2007 10:29:11 GMT -5
Benoit is a VICTIM in this as well.... from now on no one will ever remember his GREAT career... instead they will believe this tragedy.... and just for the record.... nothing has been 100% confirmed AMEN. The "ruling" that Benoit killed his family and himself was made mere hours after the bodies were discovered. If I remember right, they found out about the deaths an hour or two before RAW aired and the murder-suicide thing was in before RAW was over or within the hour after. Now I'm gonna give this its own line because it deserves to stand out: Benoit will never have his day in court. There will be no trial. No legal defense will be made on his behalf.Especially given the circumstances around the muders and arguably around the investigation, it's not fair to decisively say "he did it." Of course, you CAN if you want to, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But it's not right to condemn a man on these circumstances. Who else did it then? Benoit won't get a trial because he took the cowardly way out. When is it right to condemn a man then? What is worse than killing your wife and your own son? I seriously can't believe any one is even daring to suggest that he may not have done it or that it isn't 100 % confirmed. Please enlighten me as to who else perpetrated this sickening crime?
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:30:49 GMT -5
AMEN. The "ruling" that Benoit killed his family and himself was made mere hours after the bodies were discovered. If I remember right, they found out about the deaths an hour or two before RAW aired and the murder-suicide thing was in before RAW was over or within the hour after. Now I'm gonna give this its own line because it deserves to stand out: Benoit will never have his day in court. There will be no trial. No legal defense will be made on his behalf.Especially given the circumstances around the muders and arguably around the investigation, it's not fair to decisively say "he did it." Of course, you CAN if you want to, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But it's not right to condemn a man on these circumstances. Who else did it then? Benoit won't get a trial because he took the cowardly way out. When is it right to condemn a man then? What is worse than killing your wife and your own son? I seriously can't believe any one is even daring to suggest that he may not have done it or that it isn't 100 % confirmed. Please enlighten me as to who else perpetrated this sickening crime? QFT. I'd love to see all this blind support if it was Batista instead. You're all just giving yourselves false hope to be let down when you finally accept it. I dont care if its Benoit or Hogan or Orton or freaking Mike Knox. The evidence is the evidence and it doesn't lie.
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Post by krzykraka on Jun 27, 2007 10:30:58 GMT -5
I have sat and watched this nightmare since I heard the news on Monday at 11:15 pm. I think even though I am still in shock I can finally write how I feel.
I was one of the biggest Benoit fans. He was in my top 3 favorites. I dont claim I know him just the fact he gave me so much entertainment since his first arrival in WCW. Whenever his entrance music hit, I got so pumped up because I knew I was about to see what I tuned in for.. a wrestling match. The moment the news broke I instantly thought he was killed and never once thought he would be the reason behind this terrible nightmare. Even up until yesterday afternoon I was in denial that one of the best wrestlers who gave me so much entertainment could have done such a terrible thing. Now finally today I have come to realize I can no longer let myself be a fan of someone who would take innocent lives. Also,to see the wwe try to erase him from the history of the bisnuess is understandable but very very sad. It took Chris Benoit 20 years to build a legacy and only 48 hours to destroy it. I will Thank Chris Benoit for the years he gave to the ring and to the fans but sadly all the years he gave my be one of the main reasons all of this has happened. RIP Benoit family
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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 27, 2007 10:31:16 GMT -5
And you can play the victim card all you like, its now well documented that he threatened Nancy and Daniel as early as 2003, possibly earlier, possibly later. That means HE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY HAD MENTAL ISSUES. That means he should've TAKEN THE F***ING STEROID NEEDLE OUT OF HIS ASS AND SOUGHT HELP THEN! THEN, and ONLY THEN, if he did that, would he be worthy of some f***ing sympathy. I seriously do not understand how anyone can see it any other way I'm in full agreement.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:31:22 GMT -5
I've resigned myself to the fact that Chris did do it. Chris had problems and who knows if he could have been rehabilitaed or they would have sentenced him to death anyway? I dunno how long he thought about doing this, or if he had always planned on killing himself after the fact-we'll never know
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 27, 2007 10:31:50 GMT -5
Christopher Nowinski's analysis was interesting as well I must say.
I'm always very interested in motives and reasons for people doing things. In my own heart, I always see everyone as being good, and only a few people have extremely bad intentions. And I don't feel that Benoit had negative intentions. People believe, and I truely believe, that there was something in Benoit's life, something that built up for so long, that made him snap and lose his mind.
Now, if he did survive, he would probably get the death penalty anyway, no matter what state of mind he is, and he would deserve it. Listening to comments about him were interesting. From his co-workers, to neighbours, he kept to himself. He let few people in, and that's a huge issue.
Could the steroids have something to do with it? Now, I don't want to join the media in sensationalizing the story with steroids like they are doing, but take into account that this isn't the first time this has happened. Benoit has had a history of domestic violence. And steroids may've had something to do with it.
Again, this also depends on how much Benoit was taking. I have a post about steroids on my youtube account, and I might take it down to edit it and put in Honky Tonk Man's and Raven's feelings, because they really put it very well. Steroids, when used by the perscription, don't cause the crazy and adverse side effects. But, while these men and others may've used them by the book, others haven't, and getting really big really fast, and staying in shape much easier probably helps.
Not only that, but the steroids can help with the healing process. Kip James discussed about steroids that they were the only thing keeping his body together. I think I'll post this here, and look into steroids. But mental illness, concussions like Nowinski was talking about, and steroids needs to be checked, and I believe it will.
I'm not defending what he did, but it takes something to kill somebody. Very few people just kill someone on a whim. You have to be really f***ed up to do it. Even the murderers in jail right now, they are probably in there because something snapped in their head, and they're a little f***ed up. Not that it's an excuse, because if you do have these problems, you should find a way to get them solved or be taken away from normal society. But I think the fact that Benoit killed himself at the end shows that it wasn't in cold blood. As creepy as the bibles are, and wrapping them in towels, it seems that he wanted to almost have a proper ceremony for his family, as sick as it seems.
But yeah, this will take a long time to figure out. I think in wrestling, steroids in general need to be cracked down upon, whether one is taking it legally or not. But then again, any persciption can be abused, so it would be difficult to regulate it. I think the WWE wellness policy if it continues to allow steroid use, needs to regularly monitor how much the talent is taking and show that they aren't abusing their perscriptions.
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