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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:44:57 GMT -5
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but if I may ask how is that good that they are getting low ratings? They have to step up their game. Try to be original and do something different. Look at 97 Raw, it was amazing. Right, and that's exactly why we care, so it is worth discussing and being concerned about. It might actually make me tune into a full 2 hours of Raw for a change.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:45:11 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one. But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore? It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win. Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does. No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do?? We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us. Other wrestling promotions aren't the only competition for the WWE, although that did work out nicely during the Monday Night Wars. Raw is a television program. TV programs need to get better ratings than the other TV programs on at the same time as they are (regardless of whether that TV show is wrestling or not) or they don't get advertising money. If they don't get advertising money, they don't get to be on TV anymore eventually. Yeah, but I'm sure Raw did better than 95% of cable programs on between 9-11pm last night.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:46:08 GMT -5
They have to step up their game. Try to be original and do something different. Look at 97 Raw, it was amazing. Right, and that's exactly why we care, so it is worth discussing and being concerned about. It might actually make me tune into a full 2 hours of Raw for a change. Maybe many people will think like you, which is why a lower rating right now (during a stale period of WWE TV) may be a good thing for us fans.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Aug 1, 2007 19:48:26 GMT -5
Ratings go down, networks worry. Advertisers worry. And that makes Vince worry.
Ratings stay down, advertisers may pull out. Network gets anxious. Vince goes into panic mode, starts hitting the reset button.
That's why we worry.
Jed Shaffer ~And I worry because I'm a stockholder.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:49:53 GMT -5
Ratings go down, networks worry. Advertisers worry. And that makes Vince worry. Ratings stay down, advertisers may pull out. Network gets anxious. Vince goes into panic mode, starts hitting the reset button. That's why we worry. Jed Shaffer ~And I worry because I'm a stockholder. When Vince worries we traditionally get a better product. If Vince didn't worry there would've been no attitude era. Oh, and I hope you bought low. If now, just stick in there, it'll eventually turn around. Vince is savvy.
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Post by edgehead on Aug 1, 2007 19:50:28 GMT -5
Vince would never admit it....but Vince needs WCW in a competitive timeslot...now.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:50:38 GMT -5
Right, and that's exactly why we care, so it is worth discussing and being concerned about. It might actually make me tune into a full 2 hours of Raw for a change. Maybe many people will think like you, which is why a lower rating right now (during a stale period of WWE TV) may be a good thing for us fans. Well, evidently they do for one reason or another and the ratings reflects that. It's not like people are saying they feel bad for McMahon or anything, hell I like it that the ratings are low too so Vince might actually do something creative for once as the shows have not been that enjoyable to me and I found it quite boring most of the time. A huge dip like this in the ratings is something worth talking about, even if you don't think it is.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:52:25 GMT -5
Maybe many people will think like you, which is why a lower rating right now (during a stale period of WWE TV) may be a good thing for us fans. Well, evidently they do for one reason or another and the ratings reflects that. It's not like people are saying they feel bad for McMahon or anything, hell I like it that the ratings are low too so Vince might actually do something creative for once as the shows have not been that enjoyable to me and I found it quite boring most of the time. A huge dip like this in the ratings is something worth talking about, even if you don't think it is. I understand why we talk about, but we shouldn't worry. They've been around 60 years. The McMahon's know what they're doing. Everything slumps once in a while.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:55:04 GMT -5
Well, evidently they do for one reason or another and the ratings reflects that. It's not like people are saying they feel bad for McMahon or anything, hell I like it that the ratings are low too so Vince might actually do something creative for once as the shows have not been that enjoyable to me and I found it quite boring most of the time. A huge dip like this in the ratings is something worth talking about, even if you don't think it is. I understand why we talk about, but we shouldn't worry. They've been around 60 years. The McMahon's know what they're doing. Everything slumps once in a while. I don't think anyone is really worried, just curious, interested in seeing what'll happen next and hopefully Vince will do something to get Raw to a point where it's exciting and a can't-miss show because it surely isn't that way now.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:56:30 GMT -5
I understand why we talk about, but we shouldn't worry. They've been around 60 years. The McMahon's know what they're doing. Everything slumps once in a while. I don't think anyone is really worried, just curious, interested in seeing what'll happen next and hopefully Vince will do something to get Raw to a point where it's exciting and a can't-miss show because it surely isn't that way now. Personally I can't wait to see what he does. ECW invading in 97 was amazing. They should do an ROH/PWG/Chikara invasion, but sadly that's never happen. Especially since Joey Ryan keeps getting killed on WWE tv.
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Post by robferatu on Aug 1, 2007 20:07:51 GMT -5
2.5 may be considered strong for a USA show, but seeing as the advertisers or guaranteed a certain rating or above, if Raw isn't meeting that rating than it's costing USA money especially if advertisters start pulling out.
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Post by tna on Aug 1, 2007 20:18:07 GMT -5
2.5 may be considered strong for a USA show, but seeing as the advertisers or guaranteed a certain rating or above, if Raw isn't meeting that rating than it's costing USA money especially if advertisters start pulling out. It really is as simple as that. Ratings = Money. This is why advertisements during The Superbowl are millions of dollars for a 30 second spot. 2 out of 7 viewers who normally watch RAW chose not to this week. If 2 out of 7 people who normally watched American Idol chose not to watch one week, Fox would have a heart attack. Here's to hoping the rating rises next week.
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Post by rra on Aug 1, 2007 21:42:24 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one. But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore? It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win. Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does. No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do?? We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us. The show-quality a point for another topic and conversation, but you're silly. Who cares about the TV ratings? The USA Network. If WWE say has sluggish ratings up to its contract-renewel in a few years, guess what honey? USA tells Vince, "Your ratings are s***, we want to pay lower for the TV rights to RAW." Thats why WWE is always concerned about ratings, and guess what? What if TNA does the unexpected and actually gets its 2-hours and actually COMPETES seriously with the WWE on TV? Ratings matter. Don't forget Ad-Revenue. Higher the ratings, higher the Ad-revenue that USA/WWE gets. Doing your homework can make you as awesome as me....and knowing is half the battle! GI JOE!
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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 1, 2007 22:03:15 GMT -5
You can thank Eric Bischoff for getting everybody all ratings-crazy.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 22:12:25 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one. But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore? It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win. Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does. No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do?? We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us. The show-quality a point for another topic and conversation, but you're silly. Who cares about the TV ratings? The USA Network. If WWE say has sluggish ratings up to its contract-renewel in a few years, guess what honey? USA tells Vince, "Your ratings are s***, we want to pay lower for the TV rights to RAW." Thats why WWE is always concerned about ratings, and guess what? What if TNA does the unexpected and actually gets its 2-hours and actually COMPETES seriously with the WWE on TV? Ratings matter. Don't forget Ad-Revenue. Higher the ratings, higher the Ad-revenue that USA/WWE gets. Doing your homework can make you as awesome as me....and knowing is half the battle! GI JOE! I meant who cares as in the average person. Why do you care about ratings, why don't people just watch the show to enjoy the show. I don't think anyone watches Jeopardy and says "Hmm, I wonder how many people are watching this compared to Entertainment Tonight". I doubt you get any of that ad revenue so why do you care if the rich get richer??
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Post by Painz_Daughter:HD on Aug 1, 2007 22:14:44 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't care but since NBC Universal, Mcmahon and Co, Shareholders and others run on ratings and only ratings...I need to care because low ratings will affect the TV product and the last two Raws have been awesome IMO. So sadly because of this low rating, things will change and probably not for the better. If anything...things will get worse before they get better.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 1, 2007 22:14:53 GMT -5
I'd normally agree that, yes, ratings aren't all that important (the Neilson system is outdated, the rise of Tivo, etc.), but, still, a -1.0 drop in one week is too damn big to ignore.
Now, WWE's current contract with USA is NOT as contingent on ratings as their old deal (circa late 90's) was, but, no matter how you want to slice it, lower ratings means that WWE will, in the future, have less negotiating room with USA, or any other network they might want to talk to.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Aug 1, 2007 22:17:08 GMT -5
See back in the Hogan days, or hell even the early 90's, ratings didn't matter to the fans because wrestling was one of those shows that would always draw a certain number because it had a very consistent fanbase. That's why so many local independant stations as well as cable stations carried them. They were instant, and reliable, ratings getters.
As soon as the Monday Night wars started to hit full swing, ratin took a different turn. Just like standard network programming, the producers and writers would do big storylines, "Stunt booking" and "hot shotting" to grab big ratings during sweeps or just in general to steal viewers from thier competitors.
Ratings THEN affected the fans. Storylines change when the ratings dip, just like the storylines follow a certain flow when the ratings are good.
So yes, as fans we SHOULD care about ratings. They could lead to anything from a slight storyline tweak, to your favorite wrestler being released or depushed.
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Post by rra on Aug 1, 2007 23:54:58 GMT -5
The show-quality a point for another topic and conversation, but you're silly. Who cares about the TV ratings? The USA Network. If WWE say has sluggish ratings up to its contract-renewel in a few years, guess what honey? USA tells Vince, "Your ratings are s***, we want to pay lower for the TV rights to RAW." Thats why WWE is always concerned about ratings, and guess what? What if TNA does the unexpected and actually gets its 2-hours and actually COMPETES seriously with the WWE on TV? Ratings matter. Don't forget Ad-Revenue. Higher the ratings, higher the Ad-revenue that USA/WWE gets. Doing your homework can make you as awesome as me....and knowing is half the battle! GI JOE! I meant who cares as in the average person. Why do you care about ratings, why don't people just watch the show to enjoy the show. I don't think anyone watches Jeopardy and says "Hmm, I wonder how many people are watching this compared to Entertainment Tonight". I doubt you get any of that ad revenue so why do you care if the rich get richer?? Does the average person care about you? Just because they don't doesn't mean you don't matter. That is, using your line of logic.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 2, 2007 0:42:23 GMT -5
I've seen this mentioned a few times on this thread, and I wanted to kill this myth about TiVo hurting ratings.
TiVo can NOT hurt ratings for a TV show. For a TiVo to record the show, the TiVo box has automatically change the television set to the channel (USA) that's showing the show you want TiVo'd (WWE Monday Night RAW), which tunes the Nielsen box to that channel as well.
To a Nielsen box, it can NOT tell the difference between a show being TiVo'd for later viewing and a show being watched live. All the Nielsen box knows is that the TV's channel changed to USA from 9:00-11:00pm on a Monday night.
So don't blame TiVo. And the Nielsen voters comprise roughly 50,000 out of 300 million Americans. On a normal week, WWE gets what, maybe 2,000 out of those 50,000? It doesn't sound like a large test sample, but it's enough to make a difference and gauge trends.
Hypothetically, even if 2,000 people in the sample Nielsen audience watch RAW each week, if you lose 25% of that audience, there's a major problem.
And it isn't TiVo's fault...
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