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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 28, 2007 15:43:49 GMT -5
- 1995 rocked, and Diesel was champion of the decade.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 28, 2007 15:44:56 GMT -5
Owen Hart is not worthy of the "traditional" Hall of Fame, however, with all the people they seem to add anymore, he could very well be worthy of the current Hall of Quasi-Fame.
(He was a good wrestler, had lots of skill and had good blood, but he suffered from Jeff Jarret Syndrome. aka He could win every belt and be just fine, but the World Title would not be cool. He is yesterday's version of Matt Hardy, but less over.)
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Post by Ace Diamond on Aug 28, 2007 15:47:43 GMT -5
Did I say "variety of submissions?" no i said other ways to work the jaw. You assumed i meant submissions, and that's not what i meant at all. Fair enough. But from a psychology standpoint, it's much easier to crank on the guy's neck while he struggles to breath then it is to repeatedly hammer away on his jaw, or do a jawbreaker and then stomp his face, or any other type of combination. And from a crowd interaction standpoint, it allows people to absorb what's going on without seeing move after move after move, while also giving them a chance to (hypothetically) get behind the babyface John Cena. Apparently doing more than one type of move over X amount of time makes matches a spotfests now. You know this isn't even the main reason why I think Randy Orton doesn't have the "it" everyone thinks he has, so i don't mind debating this. I understand the points your making but at the same time it's just like "ok yeah i've seen this over and over and over again and it's STILL not making me understand why he suddenly has 'psychology'". I dunno, I guess I just don't like his particular style of working a match (among other things) Like I said, I see it, but I don't get it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2007 15:53:28 GMT -5
I dunno, I guess I just don't like his particular style of working a match (among other things) You just solved all the workrate debates right there. Oh and... - I want to see more old school ring jackets in the Robert Roode mold.
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Post by doogieman on Aug 28, 2007 15:55:06 GMT -5
Ok, I'll join in
I absolutely love Cody Rhodes. Idk why, but I want to see more of him.
I marked out bigtime when I thought Sandman was the new GM
I want creepy Paul Bearer back, now.
I really, really, really enjoy every single casket match (RR98 is the best)
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Aug 28, 2007 15:58:06 GMT -5
Fair enough. But from a psychology standpoint, it's much easier to crank on the guy's neck while he struggles to breath then it is to repeatedly hammer away on his jaw, or do a jawbreaker and then stomp his face, or any other type of combination. And from a crowd interaction standpoint, it allows people to absorb what's going on without seeing move after move after move, while also giving them a chance to (hypothetically) get behind the babyface John Cena. Apparently doing more than one type of move over X amount of time makes matches a spotfests now. You know this isn't even the main reason why I think Randy Orton doesn't have the "it" everyone thinks he has, so i don't mind debating this. I understand the points your making but at the same time it's just like "ok yeah i've seen this over and over and over again and it's STILL not making me understand why he suddenly has 'psychology'". I dunno, I guess I just don't like his particular style of working a match (among other things) Like I said, I see it, but I don't get it. A pleasure sparring with you, sir. *Tips cap*
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Post by bigrick0016 on Aug 28, 2007 16:05:49 GMT -5
In Undertaker's last match before he retires we need a return of Paul Bearer and The Urn.
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Post by doogieman on Aug 28, 2007 16:07:35 GMT -5
THE URN!!! I will never ever forget when the urn opened. Ahh, good times
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Post by jamofpearls on Aug 28, 2007 16:08:16 GMT -5
-First of all, 90% is a bit of a stretch. -Nobody criticized Cena's moveset. In fact I'd go so far as to say that everybody in the company has a limited moveset. If you watch WWE, a typical match includes both guys signature moves, a headlock, armbar, or shoulder hold, a couple counters, and one guy's finisher if you're watching tv, or 2 maybe 3 if it's a pay-per-view. If you're looking for a wide variety of submission holds, maybe the problem isn't Randy Orton's headlocks, rather that you're watching the wrong product to begin with. Did I say "variety of submissions?" no i said other ways to work the jaw. You assumed i meant submissions, and that's not what i meant at all. yer a poet and didn't know it. ( jaw and all kind of rhyme)
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 28, 2007 16:13:27 GMT -5
i really wish wwe would start making use of regular six man mayhem type matches. i love watching them and with so much talent that goes unused because creative has nothing why not regularly have matches like these to feature a plethora of talent?
i also wish the wwe realized managers and stables are still interesting.
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Post by Designated Drinker on Aug 28, 2007 16:16:21 GMT -5
Honesty,i'll give it a try
- I thought Austin was going to get over with the Ringmaster gimmick
- As good as Owen was,i don't think he was or would have ever been a world champion
- Just because i'm Canadian it dosen't mean that i automatically support Canadian wrestlers
- A Londrick/Hardy's feud is probably the only thing that could make me love tag team wrestling again in WWE
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 28, 2007 16:21:59 GMT -5
Honesty,i'll give it a try - I thought Austin was going to get over with the Ringmaster gimmick - As good as Owen was,i don't think he was or would have ever been a world champion - Just because i'm Canadian it dosen't mean that i automatically support Canadian wrestlers - A Londrick/Hardy's feud is probably the only thing that could make me love tag team wrestling again in WWE You being Canadian reminds me: I really can't stand arrogant Francophones from Montreal.
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Post by Randy Orton's Bitch on Aug 28, 2007 16:23:16 GMT -5
I liked Todd Pettengel(Sp? Yea,He was a wrestlecrap inductee) I was alive during and liked most of the things inducted on wrestlecrap I thought Lita was sexy....untill I found out she is a cheating ho CM Punk isnt that great to me. I was another one who thought Chyna was sexy. I even have her book. I STILL find her sexy........yes she looks like a crackhead....I know I even bought her playboys. I STILL look at them! and since this is wrestling related..........I think No Mercy(n64) isnt that great.....there I said it... I need help
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Post by Monster Heel #2 on Aug 28, 2007 16:25:21 GMT -5
- The Briscoes are not great. They are very good though. To say that they are among the best of all-time is asinine.
- John Cena is one of the best WORKERS in the world. There's more to wrestling matches than submission holds, stiff shots, FLIPZ~!, and MOVEZ~!
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Post by rubber johnny on Aug 28, 2007 16:27:15 GMT -5
people with benoit in their sigs need help
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Post by Monster Heel #2 on Aug 28, 2007 16:28:49 GMT -5
people with benoit in their sigs need help Thanks for the insight.
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Post by infrared on Aug 28, 2007 16:30:05 GMT -5
Yay, another one of these.....
- I wish that WWE lost the Monday Night Wars.
- Mortis in WCW looked awesome.
- Teddy Hart is my favourite wrestler.
- In all honesty, I don't really care about women's wrestling. People talk about Shimmer like it's the second coming, but it doesn't really matter to me. If women's wrestling is good in Shimmer or anywhere else, then good for them, but I have better things to do. I am not a sexist for making this comment.
- New Zealand wrestling is pretty good and really old school (one of the wrestlers in Impact Pro Wrestling uses a Stretch Muffler as his finisher), and there are no roided up gasheads in NZ wrestling.
- Chris Harris vs James Storm Texas Deathmatch is my MOTY.
- The only US promotions worth watching are CHIKARA and PWG.
- AAA is the best wrestling promotion in the world.
- WSX was an awesome show and provided a viable alternative to WWE programming and The Angle Variety Hour known as Impact.
- I would use an exploding casket angle in my own promotion.
- I have only been watching wrestling for three years.
- I find cheap heat against the U.S. funny.
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Post by rubber johnny on Aug 28, 2007 16:30:15 GMT -5
people with benoit in their sigs need help Thanks for the insight. i'm a regular frasier crane
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Post by Near Fantastica on Aug 28, 2007 16:33:39 GMT -5
- Triple H is my favourite wrestler. He has been for quite a while now. I don't care who he's held down, I don't care what he's done to get where he is today, he entertains me, he's one of, if not the, most interesting performer on the roster. He deserves the title again and soon. At least when he holds the belt, it's interesting.
- I hate John Cena. I know this is a cliche, but I seriously hate him. I don't know the man who portrays him but as it stands I hate him. I hate how he looks, I hate his voice, I hate his moves, I hate how he runs, I hate his fame-asser from the top rope and whatever else is associated with him. He has partially ruined my wrestling experience for the last two years. This is extreme but I hate him on the same level you would hate an actor.
- Matt Hardy is awful. He's boring. He was always the shitty Hardy. I don't know why he's getting somewhat of a push, I'd be happy never to see him again.
- If Taker retired now I wouldn't miss him. He's just stale. I used to love and respect this man but now I am terribly bored of him. His last good match was with Angle at NWO 2006.
- I enjoyed DX '97 and DX '06. DX mark two with X-Pac and NAO was terrible.
- I can tolerate CM Punk but I wouldn't choose to watch his matches.
- Elijah Burke needs to move to RAW.
- I never watch Smackdown. It is an awful show. It IS the B show. It has a horrible colour scheme, most of the roster is uninteresting and Finlay should be moved to RAW.
- I like Vince McMahon. I also like Shawn Michaels. I'm glad they screwed Bret.
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Post by Monster Heel #2 on Aug 28, 2007 16:36:04 GMT -5
Matt Hardy gets pushed because no matter how poorly booked he gets, he remains one of the most over guys on Smackdown.
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