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Post by EJS on Sept 1, 2007 23:15:22 GMT -5
This is like the first time I can recall recently were wwe.com hasnt used the person's real name as well when they announce their release. Are they still trying to keep kayfabe with him, even in his release? I think they called him Nick Dinsmore when they announced he was going to rehab...
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Sept 1, 2007 23:19:37 GMT -5
Quick question, I never saw any of his heel moments. Does anyone have any NICK DINSMORE matches or interviews (aside from his WCW match against Ernest Miller)? I'd LOVE to see them.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 1, 2007 23:27:32 GMT -5
He seemed to have potential, but the Eugene character itself my have been his bane. I think the character doomed him and WWE dropped the ball with him.
Best of luck to him.
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Post by Hensley on Sept 1, 2007 23:31:42 GMT -5
I hope not, I always believed Dinsmore was clean He actually got busted around Guererro's death...I think
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 1, 2007 23:32:35 GMT -5
This is like the first time I can recall recently were wwe.com hasnt used the person's real name as well when they announce their release. Are they still trying to keep kayfabe with him, even in his release? That part is weird. How sad is it that they could not respect him enough to give him that respect on his way out the door?
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 1, 2007 23:32:54 GMT -5
They could have done so much more with him.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Sept 1, 2007 23:33:56 GMT -5
in the ultimate swerve, do you think they released eugene but will HIRE nick? yeah i know its wacky, but hell it would be funny
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2007 23:35:21 GMT -5
in the ultimate swerve, do you think they released eugene but will HIRE nick? yeah i know its wacky, but hell it would be funny You know, it'd be cool if they did that, and just brought him back with a mask, in a Matt Classic sort of angle.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2007 23:36:14 GMT -5
I wish they had kept that aspect of the character alive, that he was an old school genius of holds. It made using him on Smackdown 06 bearable. Oh lord yes. The original concept ( he was "slow" but an amazing technical wrestler) could have worked better on many many levels
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Post by jamaicansensation on Sept 1, 2007 23:37:53 GMT -5
thank god
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Post by Maxnificent on Sept 1, 2007 23:38:47 GMT -5
I just hope that wherever he goes he's not EUGENE but he's himself. That won't be a problem, since WWE owns the Eugene character.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 1, 2007 23:39:18 GMT -5
They could have done so much more with him. This was a suggestion of mine from a thread last week: I actually was hoping that they would build on the "Eugene could be your son" angle from SNME. I think it could actually lead somewhere, provided they bring back Eric Bischoff to take part. Everyone had pondered how to "unretard" Eugene without pissing on the fans. Most suggestions usually involved Dinsmore turning heel and insulting the fans for supporting him or developing multiple personalities. The time for both of those are past, however. At SNME, Eugene commented that Vince boning and leaving his sister was the inspiration for Eric to try to take Vince out of business. What if that was the story they ran with? Eric, after losing the MNW to Vince, accepts the Raw GM job. Not happy to work for his enemy, he recruits Vince's own illigitimate son, Nick Dinsmore, to set up Vince. They make Nick into Eugene, an individual that Vince would never find threatening, and Eric "feuds" with him to disassociate himself with Eugene in order to further their plot to take down Vince. Over the years, Nick had been working behind the scenes to learn all that he could in order to better take down his dad in order to get what should be his and restore the Bischoff family name (Dinsmore could be his step-dad's name). Remember, Eugene occasionally found his way on to Vince's radar (who was it that got shaved first?) without being viewed as a threat by McMahon. Now, he has managed to get Vince thrown out of his own house and is fixing to take more from him than that. If you wanted Kennedy in the mix for some reason, then he and Vince could try to conspire to claim that Kennedy is Vince's son (to give Vince a "family" ally in his future legal battles over the WWE), only for Eugene to run into them backstage. Just envision: [Kennedy and Vince converse backstage] Vince:[looking stage right] What the hell do you want? Eugene:[entering stage right] My uncle..My uncle Eric set me..to tell you..that he is coming to talk to two. Kennedy: Is that so? Eugene: Um, that is what..Uncle Eric told me to tell you. Vince: What does he want? Eric:[entering stage left] Maybe you should ask me that instead of Eugene. [Vince and Kennedy turn to face Bischoff. Eugene fades back towards stage right] Vince: You have something to say to me? Eric: Yes, Vince, I do have something to say to you. Something that I have been dying to say to you for a very long time. You have caused me a lot of pain over the years. Vince:[trading snickering glances with Kennedy] WCW meant that much to you, huh? Eric: It did, but only because it was a vital instrument that I lost. An instrument that I attempted to use to get back at you, Vince. Vince:[incredulously and angrily] You mean to tell me that all that was over me not hiring you in the early 90's??!! You almost put me out of business, damnit!! Eric: That was sort of the idea Vince, but it was not over me not getting a job. You see, you did a member of my family wrong. You whirled into town one day, met my sister, and started to hit on her. My sister knew that getting into the WWE was all that I had ever dreamed of as a child, and while you did not yet own the WWE, she knew that you were going to. She went on a date with you in the hopes of steering the conversation towards my ambitions in your company, but you wound up getting her drunk and got her to do something that she normally would not do. [Vince and Kennedy exchange shocked looks] When she found out that she was pregnant, she tried to contact you about it, but you filed protection orders against her in order to prevent her from ever speaking to you. You had money, and she did not, and because of that she had to raise your son without any assistance from you. I spent my entire adult life trying to make you feel my sister's pain, and now maybe I'll let your son make you feel pain instead. [Nick, no longer acting as Eugene, charges back in from stage right and attacks both Vince and Kennedy with a bat.]
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2007 23:40:22 GMT -5
I wish they had kept that aspect of the character alive, that he was an old school genius of holds. It made using him on Smackdown 06 bearable. Oh lord yes. The original concept ( he was "slow" but an amazing technical wrestler) could have worked better on many many levels The Rain Man of wrestling, yeah. Also, I liked that he'd bring up old gimmicks and angles, like pretending to be Iron Sheik. I have to admit, I did laugh when Rock asked him who his favorite wrestler was. Eugene: "Triple H!" *Rock looks stunned.* Eugene: "Because we both like to play games!"
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2007 23:41:46 GMT -5
Oh lord yes. The original concept ( he was "slow" but an amazing technical wrestler) could have worked better on many many levels The Rain Man of wrestling, yeah. Also, I liked that he'd bring up old gimmicks and angles, like pretending to be Iron Sheik. I have to admit, I did laugh when Rock asked him who his favorite wrestler was. Eugene: "Triple H!" *Rock looks stunned.* Eugene: "Because we both like to play games!" I didnt mind the using old moves thing to a point, but he became a modern day bushwacker and it angered me
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Parrish
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Post by Parrish on Sept 1, 2007 23:42:59 GMT -5
its gonna be interesting to see if he escapes the retard gimmick.
It could happen in ROH...but if he signs with TNA he will be doing a ripoff of the Eugene character
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Post by Raja Lion on Sept 1, 2007 23:56:05 GMT -5
The timing of this is sooooooooo suspect, his real name not being used is also suspect.
My guess: He was involved in the scandal and asked to be released.
Can anyone recall anytime a release was announced late on a Saturday night???
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Post by Cela on Sept 2, 2007 0:05:13 GMT -5
Hooray! Now he can do SOMETHING!!!
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Sept 2, 2007 0:27:00 GMT -5
Call it a testament to my sick sense of humor, but Eugene entertained me. I do feel bad that the whole "special hero" thing was a bad gimmick to get locked in, but I think Dinsmore took it and ran with it. I will miss him. I will also look forward to anything he does next.
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Post by Parrish on Sept 2, 2007 1:10:36 GMT -5
I wonder what happened that caused them to announce his release at 11:30 on a Saturday night? Maybe they caught him with needle in ass and fired him on the spot. Now thats a backstage vignette we need to see!
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 2, 2007 1:27:45 GMT -5
He'll be back. He's young and talented enough that people will give him the benefit of the doubt and remember how game he is and how good he is on camera. I can't imagine this has nothing to do with the wellness policy, since why would they fire someone for unrelated reasons when they have eleven guys gone and five hours to fill every week? If he gets clean, he'll be back.
My favorite Eugene moment was his appearance at One Night Stand. He was the same character, but a heel, and he played it winkingly so the smart WWE fans wouldn't feel bad about booing the hell out of him. It was kind of brilliant.
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