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Post by BitterAF on Oct 26, 2007 7:45:44 GMT -5
loose a buried alive match at wrestlemania and never wrestles again.
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Post by deadmanlfc on Oct 26, 2007 8:33:32 GMT -5
Defeats WWE champion at Wrestlemania, cuts promo claiming to have transcended titles and this world (thus vacating belt), disappears amidst druids, smoke, and lightning, is never seen again until HoF induction (obviously conducted by Paul Bearer).
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Post by steenerico on Oct 26, 2007 9:07:16 GMT -5
Loses kayfabe burial match "permanently"
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Oct 26, 2007 9:18:28 GMT -5
Prep Foley starting now, even if Taker isn't retiring for another 3 years, Foley needs to get back into good Cardiovascular shape, so he doesn't look as horrible as he did at Vengeance.
Taker's last match should absolutely be against Foley, who comes out of retirement to work with Undertaker after 'Taker announces his retirement. Nobody's ever had the chemistry or psychology to work with Mean Mark as well as good ol' Mickey. A lot of people will argue that he should put someone over on his way out, but that wouldn't be fair to his history. Not to mention the fact that the person he puts over could just turn out to be a fizzle. I could even imagine Foley's promo:
"You and I have quite a history, Deadman. The Boiler Room, Buried Alive, Hell in the Cell. The pain and suffering that we put eachother through should've retired, no. Killed both of us. It took me out of the game. But you kept going, and going, and going. WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP WHEN I DID? WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST DECIDED TO HANG UP YOUR BOOTS? How could you have topped our Hell in the Cell? I didn't have anything left after that. Neither did you. But you waiting until now to retire, 10 years after I did. You've made me look weak. You've made me FEEL weak. I had to stop, I NEEDED TO STOP. My family was suffering, but most importantly, I was suffering. So now Undertaker. I have come back for one more match. I'm not just going to end the Wrestlemania streak, the Legend of the Undertaker, the CAREER of the Undertaker. I'm going to END YOU, Deadman. I'm going to go to Hell for what I do to you. But I'm going to make DAMN SURE THAT I DRAG YOU DOWN INTO THE FIRE WITH ME. HAVE A NICE DAY!"
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Post by Mrs. Potato Dick on Oct 26, 2007 9:43:57 GMT -5
So I say, let's have a newer guy beat Taker at Mania. Possibly Edge, or another guy WWE can massively promote. I couldn't care less about Taker retiring undefeated at Mania. Loyalty or not, a wrestler HAS to pass the torch. Everybody did that, and Mr. Calloway should be no exception. You might be right. I think Taker putting that young newcomer EDGE over would be a good idea. I remember when Edge debuted just a few years ago, and the hope everyone had for how good he would be. I still have hope for the spry young 20-something Edge, that great newcomer. Wow. Everybody passed the torch?! You'll have to forgive the following tirade, because, you see, I'm allergic to bullshit. Very FEW have truly passed the torch. Foley could be considered one of the few, but he keeps coming back for whatever reasons, so that really don't count. Trish? Nope, she didn't. She went OUT as champion. Now, I don't know if it was her decision or not, but the fact remains that she sure as shit didn't pass any kind of torch. LITA did, and god bless her for it. Hogan? PLEASE! This man is ALL ego. He has a hard time passing gas, let alone the flippin' torch. Maybe he can come back and put that young newcomer Jerry Lawler. There are plenty more who fall under the category. And I might be back for more. Finally, loyalty does count for something. In a time when people were selling out for more money, refusing to do jobs and losing facial expressions, there was one constant. The Undertaker. He's never taken his ball and went home. When told he's putting someone over, he does so without a backstage fit. The man has deserved to go out any damn way he wants. And if that's as the Champion at WrestleMania, then so be it.
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Post by Fantozzi on Oct 26, 2007 10:11:44 GMT -5
A win at Wrestlemania followed by exploding or being carried away by crows or something cool like that i agree of course a win in a non-title match
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Post by Branimal on Oct 26, 2007 10:18:41 GMT -5
I'm strongly against 'Taker ever losing at Wrestlemania.
I think that should be his thing. I really think it adds to his character and something he can lay claim to after he retires. I don't think anyone needs it on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 10:24:58 GMT -5
honestly... everyone who COULD legitimately defeat Taker at WM doesnt need the push... he should go out undefeated. To ruin that streak would just be moronic imho
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 26, 2007 10:32:19 GMT -5
Assuming Chris Jericho returns (and it seems more than likely now that he will), I wouldn't mind seeing a Taker/Jericho feud that ends at a WrestleMania. Obviously Jericho will be booked stronger than ever. Taker goes over and retires undefeated, but Jericho will come out looking great. I honestly don't think you have to win a match to have the "torch passed"...good enough booking can achieve anything.
I'm pretty sure these two have never feuded either, so it'll be fresh.
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Post by Nan Flanagan on Oct 26, 2007 10:45:49 GMT -5
I absolutely LOVE this idea. I can foresee me sobbing buckets though Same here. It's going to be so sad when he retires. He's the reason I got into wrestling over 10 years ago. I can't imagine WWE without him. But anyway, he sould go out undefeated at Mania, preferebly as champ. The WWE will be a strange place for me without him that's for sure. His undefeated Wrestlemania streak should remain intact. If he went out as Champ, that would make it all the sweeter.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 26, 2007 11:03:58 GMT -5
I don't really care how he goes out as long as he does not lose at Wrestlemania.
There are far, far better ways to pass a torch without putting a dent in a very impressive kayfabed record. It's too big a sacrifice to give someone that honor when for all we know the wrestler booked to end it might not sustain a very good career in the WWE, thus rendering it a bit of a waste.
I say let the Undertaker have the final say as far as that's concerned.
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Post by Loki on Oct 26, 2007 11:13:34 GMT -5
So I say, let's have a newer guy beat Taker at Mania. Possibly Edge, or another guy WWE can massively promote. I couldn't care less about Taker retiring undefeated at Mania. Loyalty or not, a wrestler HAS to pass the torch. Everybody did that, and Mr. Calloway should be no exception. You might be right. I think Taker putting that young newcomer EDGE over would be a good idea. I remember when Edge debuted just a few years ago, and the hope everyone had for how good he would be. I still have hope for the spry young 20-something Edge, that great newcomer. Wow. Ohh, such a smart remark here... With "newcomer" I mean someone who could benefit from defeating Taker at Mania to step into Legend territory. So it HAS to be a guy with an history and a past in WWE. Unless they can find a guy so charismatic to get over in a matter of months... And we all know these guys are once-in-a-decade. Having Cody Rhodes or DH Smith [real newcomers] going over Taker would only generate a huge WTF? moment, and probably a bit of backlash too... So I still concur an already established guy has to beat Taker in order to make it significant. Right. But I'm doubtful about Foley having a torch to pass, besides the Hardcore One, but it doesn't look like WWE are interested in having it passed, so Mick can as well keep it. Women's division had a torch to pass? More like a candle, due to the alternative use of hot wax Anyway I agree on Lita contributed much more to women's wrestling in the last decade. It was a shame she had to go out the way she did, while Trish, who's first achievement was BARKING on her four in front of Vince, went out in glory... Hogan DID try to pass the torch to Warrior 17 years ago, but WWF changed their minds and plans. But anyway in his last real run with the company, Hogan jobbed to Taker and Lesnar, and stayed around as a special attraction. Ditto for his "comebacks" for Summerslam. The guy don't lay down for half of the roster (like Foley and Flair), but when he does, it still means something. Other people who didn't pass the torch? Rock, Austin and HBK. But one is still active, and the other two didn't really have an "heir" for their torch... How do we know he doesn't use backstage politicking? Who has Taker put over in the last X years?
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Post by Mrs. Potato Dick on Oct 26, 2007 11:17:59 GMT -5
John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle(in a MOTY candidate), Jeff Hardy(you don't have to lose a match to put someone over), Rock, Austin, Foley, HBK..want more?
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Post by Loki on Oct 26, 2007 12:22:43 GMT -5
John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle(in a MOTY candidate), Jeff Hardy(you don't have to lose a match to put someone over), Rock, Austin, Foley, HBK..want more? I'd dare to say HBK, Rock, Austin and Angle were already "made" when Taker put them over. IMO it was more like a putting eachother more over. Agreed on Foley and Lesnar. Don't remember Taker putting Cena over... Anyway, he'd definitely "validate" a Superstar who may hugely benefit from a decisive win.
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Post by Big L on Oct 26, 2007 12:32:45 GMT -5
just let him keep the "perfect" record
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Oct 26, 2007 12:58:18 GMT -5
I vote other - I want him to do the last mania match back to classic zombie outfit, grey gloves, big tie,Red Mullet is a must, old version of the organ music. Wins the last match and just leaves for his final time.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Oct 26, 2007 13:11:04 GMT -5
I dunno.
If he puts over anybody, it should be Edge, although I do like an earlier post regarding Orton.
Otherwise, yeah, just let him go undefeated.
However, it would be a great moment if he defeats his opponent at WM in his final match and that opponent does one of the following after recovering from the tombstone: 1) Extends his hand or 2) Shouts to the heavens that he was the last one to try and he failed.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Oct 26, 2007 13:13:56 GMT -5
He won't really EVER be gone. He can return like Stone Cold, beat down a loud mouth heel that makes fun of him and return to Death Valley to watch his beloved Arizona Cardinals.
I am so sorry, dude.
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Post by Jeff on Oct 26, 2007 13:16:46 GMT -5
Since when is Edge a newer guy? he's been around for 10 years almost.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Oct 26, 2007 17:24:44 GMT -5
Okay, here's the way I want it to go down. Next time Smackdown is without a champion (they tend to get injured pretty often) they have a big battle royal to determine the new champ. Finally, when everybody is eliminated, whoever is left celebrates in the ring with the belt. Then all of the sudden the lights go out and Kane's old organ music starts playing. A gigantic explosion goes off and full blown masked/haired Kane comes out and lays waste to whoever is in the ring, and walks out with the belt. Kane then holds the belt for several months (he deserves that reign) until close to wrestlemania where Taker starts having rediculous video segments challenging Kane at Wrestlemania. At wrestlemania, they get the final match on the card and it lasts a good thirty to forty minutes. Undertaker hit Kane with three tombstones like he did at WM 14 and gets the pinfall. Kane and Taker then hug in the ring and do their separate poses. After Kane's pyro goes off, the lights go out. When they come back on, both men are gone, never to be seen again, and the belt is left in the middle of the ring.
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