Is Orton the lesser champ now?

[machinegun]

It always seemed like Cena got the main event spot. Even if the feud was sort of blah (I certaintly thought Taker/Batista was better then HBK/Cena). Which made sense since Cena is the Hogan of WWE now.

But now that Orton has the title is Batista the new "face" of the WWE and will he get the main event spots? (Or Taker if he wins the title)

It doesn't really look like Orton will lose the title anytime soon so what do you think? Is it because Orton doesn't have the star power?

Orton with the right partner can have amazing matches.... But even as an ORton mark I think he might be less of a star then Taker or Batista (Especially since he's a heel)

[forgottensinpwf]

if the majority of title matches with Orton didn't end in a DQ, then i would probably care more.

[Joekishi]

Batista/undertaker is a main event fued, the matches have all been epic, and well how do you follow up a match like they had at Cyber Sunday with a lame DQ finish.

You just can't.

Putting your other brand's main guy who's in a fued with Undertaker in the main event makes sense.

Orton despite being WWE champ does not have the drawing power of Cena or Batista, that's why he's a secondary main event champ.

If it was Triple H/Umaga fueding for the title you'd be sure that would main event, and i doubt sensible people would have a problem with that.

[greate]

Why do people throw around terms like "star power" instead of making a cohesive argument that has a point, i'm not taking a shot at you but in general wrestling "insiders" tend to throw around terms so other people will buy into their "knowledge" but when you question the validity of their "knowledge" they fall.

To answer your post, you would think Orton is on the fast train to be the BIGGEST name since Batista's been there for a while now and doesnt have the enigma. I feel they threw Batista on Smackdown! for the very same reason, he was never there to be "the man". Orton is a good champion but just like any other good champion these days, he will not have a long shelf life.

[CMPunkyBrewster]

if orton were so terribly bland in every aspect of the wrestling buisness, i would care about him as champion.

[Big L]

forgottensinpwf said:

if the majority of title matches with Orton didn't end in a DQ, then i would probably care more.

u make a good point

[machinegun]

Is it mainly because he's a heel?

That's the only thing I can really think of..... Maybe if he went a tad to the tweener side? (NEVER sucking up to the fans though)

I mean, he's given decent promos, he gets pops and his matches are great IMO.....Don't know what's wrong...

[robferatu]

I think part of the reason has to do with outcomes of the matches. You don't want to end a PPV with a match that's ended in a DQ, it just doesn't seem right now days.

Although I'm rather certain that Batista vs. Undertaker in Hell in the Cell will headline Survivor Series because it's one of those rare speciality matches, but assume when Armageddon swings around Orton will headline with who ever he may be fueding with then.

[tonyexile]

I agree with a big part of it being about the whole heel aspect. You want your biggest "star" to be a face in my opinion so that way fans aren't overly disappointed when the heel retains to end the night.

[The Captain]

I think it has more to do with the planned finish of the match rather than the caliber of Orton as WWE Champion or how the belts are viewed. Orton/Michaels is just as big a match as Batista/Taker, but you don't end the main event and the card with a DQ finish. The order of matches at CS was just good booking, as you want to send the crowd home happy. This is also why Cena/Orton for the title at Unforgiven was earlier on the card than 'Taker/Henry, and the latter wasn't even a title match.

[Big L]

onyx said:

I think it has more to do with the planned finish of the match rather than the caliber of Orton as WWE Champion or how the belts are viewed. Orton/Michaels is just as big a match as Batista/Taker, but you don't end the main event and the card with a DQ finish. The order of matches at CS was just good booking, as you want to send the crowd home happy. This is also why Cena/Orton for the title at Unforgiven was earlier on the card than 'Taker/Henry, and the latter wasn't even a title match.

good point

[HRH The KING]

Orton is so bland, I see him as champ on Monday and forget by Tuesday.

[Bishblast]

Whenever Orton's the champ, in my eyes at least, the value of said title depreciates, so yes.

[HRH The KING]

All champions in the WWE are lesser champions.

Simply by the fact that there are essentially two titles for each division.

The IC and US champions are devalued because WWE doesn't have a deep enough roster for TWO mid-level titles. The Women's championship is largely insigificant. The CW title has been pissed over for so long that it no longer matters. There are two tag team divisional championships, and two world titles.

Too many titles. Nothing stands out.

[texaswhopper]

Hes certainly not the higher power. ;D

[Big L]

texaswhopper said:

Hes certainly not the higher power. ;D

i still think its the fact that he's holding that spinning title that Cena held for SO long, even though it no longer spins it just looks to weird on him no matter what little changes they did to the title.......therefore whenever the title changes hands again they need to go back to the undisputed title because no matter who holds the spinning title, its gonna look weird on everyone excluding Cena

[texaswhopper]

"i still think its the fact that he's holding that spinning title that Cena held for SO long, even though it no longer spins it just looks to weird on him no matter what little changes they did to the title.......therefore whenever the title changes hands again they need to go back to the undisputed title because no matter who holds the spinning title, its gonna look weird on everyone exluding Cena"

Well put. I just think that the title should not be spinning anymore. I like traditional belts with wings and plates that stay in place. Randy needs a regular plain belt. I don't care if you change the color of the strap though. That sometimes makes for a nice change.

[HRH The KING]

Yah the title belt needs to be changed.

I understand the need for it due to merchandising, but it looks silly for Orton to carry Cena's belt.

[Big L]

texaswhopper said:

"i still think its the fact that he's holding that spinning title that Cena held for SO long, even though it no longer spins it just looks to weird on him no matter what little changes they did to the title.......therefore whenever the title changes hands again they need to go back to the undisputed title because no matter who holds the spinning title, its gonna look weird on everyone exluding Cena"

Well put. I just think that the title should not be spinning anymore. I like traditional belts with wings and plates that stay in place. Randy needs a regular plain belt. I don't care if you change the color of the strap though. That sometimes makes for a nice change.

agreed...im glad someone agrees with me on that

[Dean-o]

It's mostly because he is a heel. I would think the WWE would want to end a PPV with a face winning the final match more times then not.