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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 20, 2007 16:31:26 GMT -5
BTW, looking at Google, I found at least 2 schools for women, one in Atlanta (WWA4) and another in California (Women's Wrestling Academy) And you assume that they're any good? I don't think he's persuming that at all. Hell, they're probably crap for all we know. But it's basically disproving what Vince said about there being nowhere to train Women Wrestlers.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 20, 2007 16:35:37 GMT -5
The Diva's AREN'T sexy. We have the internet now, not only can you see a woman you can see her naked, upside down, back to front and inside out. Seeing some girls with eleven inch thick make-up on wearing granny thongs doesn't do it when you can get turned on by so much more which is so much more easily accessible. I don't know how WWE thinks the minds of 14-35 year olds males think "Well, I've just downloaded some more porn, looked at the naked pictures of various celebrities but my God I cannot wait until Raw, I get to see a woman I'm not entirely sure I fancy...in a big bikini!!" Sometimes a sexy outfit is sexier than nudity.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 20, 2007 16:36:52 GMT -5
The Diva's AREN'T sexy. We have the internet now, not only can you see a woman you can see her naked, upside down, back to front and inside out. Seeing some girls with eleven inch thick make-up on wearing granny thongs doesn't do it when you can get turned on by so much more which is so much more easily accessible. I don't know how WWE thinks the minds of 14-35 year olds males think "Well, I've just downloaded some more porn, looked at the naked pictures of various celebrities but my God I cannot wait until Raw, I get to see a woman I'm not entirely sure I fancy...in a big bikini!!" Sometimes a sexy outfit is sexier than nudity. Exactly. Seeing people naked just...isn't fun. There's a reason why things are left to the imagination.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 20, 2007 16:38:50 GMT -5
Honestly, am I the only one who thinks that rather than worrying about what these girls are WEARING, Vince should be worried about their in ring skills? I mean, I'm not an expert, but I don't think that Jillian Hall almost KILLING Melina was caused by a revealing outfit....it was cause by sloppy ring work. Forget pumping their chests up to zeppelin size, Vince.....use THAT cash to hire someone to TRAIN these girls and show them how to work WITHOUT breaking each other apart. That wasn't caused by skill or lack of. THat was caused by trying to do a spot totally out of position. And it had to be. In the time between Jillian jumping, executing the 450 and hitting the mat they had to go from Maria on her back with Melina holding her arms to Maria out of the way and Melina on her stomach partially in her place.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 20, 2007 16:40:23 GMT -5
Didn't Finely supposedly do a lot of good work with the women's division?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 20, 2007 16:41:11 GMT -5
If they tone down their sexuality, then the male fans have nothing to cheer for as the majority of fans couldn't give a crap if one female knows more moves than another.
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Post by tartsonawire on Nov 20, 2007 16:44:41 GMT -5
I might be the only person who thinks this is good. No, I completely agree with you.
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Post by Marky Mark on Nov 20, 2007 16:46:26 GMT -5
Ah, so Mickie's new lesbian finisher is "toned down sexuality" then? Makes sense to me! It's purely platonic
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 20, 2007 16:50:09 GMT -5
Didn't Finely supposedly do a lot of good work with the women's division? He did a few years ago, but not recently. I think Finlay was actively working with the divas during the time when the main divas were Trish, Molly, Gail, and Jazz.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 20, 2007 19:13:25 GMT -5
I might be the only person who thinks this is good. No, I completely agree with you. I'll second that. But I'm more concerned about phasing out their bad pseudo-wrestling first.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 20, 2007 19:17:47 GMT -5
I've probably said it before, but its very difficult to turn an R-rated product into a PG-one and keep your fans happy. rra has argued this on film, but it applies to wrestlign as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 20, 2007 19:19:59 GMT -5
I call BS. The news sights have been less and less reiable by the week.
And don't say "they were right about Save US" since that was freaking obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2007 19:21:59 GMT -5
I've probably said it before, but its very difficult to turn an R-rated product into a PG-one and keep your fans happy. rra has argued this on film, but it applies to wrestlign as well. Compared to 1999, 2007's Divas are very tame. But, I do think that they could be taken more seriously. If they actually trained these women to wrestle, we could actually get a somewhat important division.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 20, 2007 19:28:45 GMT -5
This could be either very good, for very bad. Fact is, a number of the diva's don't bring much to the table outside of good looks and sexiness. Further highlighting their flaws in the mic or in the ring would hardly be helpful. But this could also lead to a stronger push for the women who are actually talented in the ring. Just think, we could actually see Victoria winning matches again.
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Post by lotus on Nov 20, 2007 19:36:19 GMT -5
Of course! Mickie will rub noses with the offending Diva. Give Alaskans something to think about at night... I have enough on my mind thanks.
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Post by J is Justice on Nov 20, 2007 20:00:53 GMT -5
Just fire them all
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Nov 20, 2007 20:04:41 GMT -5
This idea is not Fap-tastic!!
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 20, 2007 20:10:52 GMT -5
Vince McMahon recently made the call to downplay the sexiness of the WWE divas again. He made a similar call back in the spring, but it lasted for about a week. Some believe that he's trying to book WWE in a more family friendly way since the kids audience has grown significantly while the adult audience has fallen since the Benoit murders. Internally, there is concern that the portrayal as women as sex objects could backfire with so many major media pieces coming. Vince said that they are looking to attract viewers from every demo and for the creative team not be short sighted in who potential viewers are. wrestling observer newsletter Very good. It's only taken him a decade to understand that.
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Post by Deadman Inc on Nov 20, 2007 20:50:18 GMT -5
Isn't the core demographic for wrestling men ages like 16-32 or something like that? even if it's lower, like 14 or so, those are still teen males that are hitting puberty and wanting to see that type of stuff. I'm baffled. f*** the kids. Give Cena his own show for them. Not saying I want more diva segements, because mostly they're all boring as hell unless it's certain one's wrestling, but toning down a product geared towards men in favor of children?
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 20, 2007 21:04:21 GMT -5
Didn't they do this like a month ago? How are they supposed to do this and stuff like the diva search?
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