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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Nov 23, 2007 2:41:49 GMT -5
LOL @ all the little pukes posting in this thread. Anyone born in the 90's instantly = sucks.
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Post by Topher is Human on Nov 23, 2007 3:49:17 GMT -5
I was a couple months old then (born in July 10)
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azz0r
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Post by azz0r on Nov 23, 2007 3:58:28 GMT -5
I don't really think anybody cares how old I was then...as it doesn't matter...
Quite a career it must be said, I wonder if he'll retire at 20 years.
Continue your "I was a sperm then" posts
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Post by montee916 on Nov 23, 2007 4:04:11 GMT -5
Damn, that was a thing of beauty wasn't it?
I was 15 at the time and remember it well, even now. It was stunning watching a guy of his size moving in the ring and doing the stuff he was capable of, and he completely owned the ring while he was out there.
Even after all this time, I still get a chill up my neck every time I hear the gong sound.
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Post by Powder/The Professor on Nov 23, 2007 6:26:30 GMT -5
I bow to the Undertakers career stamina. He did, what was unexpected!
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 23, 2007 8:19:27 GMT -5
Seriously, Taker is one of our finest wrestlers in America. It shows when every country that he goes to, be it Japan or England or anywhere else, people mark out HUGE for him.
I can't think of many others that have that legendary status. He's almost like our Great Muta or something.
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 12:32:05 GMT -5
Not to sound like a negative nancy here but when the Undertaker debuted I had already been watching wrestling since the late 1970s. When the Undertaker debuted in the WWE it really solidified my perception that the WWE was too cartoonish compared to the old NWA and WCW. here you have a guy who a short time earlier was easily beat by Lex Lugar and now of all of a sudden as the Undertaker in the WWE he is beating Kerry Von Eric in 40 seconds. Nope sorry but that was a huge insult to a lot of fans back in that day. I am sure a lot of fans my age would agree. But to the Undertakers credit he has had great longevity and has been loyal to the WWE. He has a lot of agility for a big man but overall I still think he is overated. It is easy to be seen as a legend when you are booked to no sell 99 percent of the time. It is true WCW may not have booked him to his potential but on the other end of the spectrum IMHO the WWE gave him a gimmick of too much invincibility. But the bottom line is that the WWE has made a lot of money of of the gimmick but as a wrestling fan I have seen him beat too many people that were better performers in the ring than him IMHO. Maybe not a popular opinion but as a person who has watched this sport for 30 years I am telling it like it is.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 23, 2007 16:34:12 GMT -5
Not to sound like a negative nancy here but when the Undertaker debuted I had already been watching wrestling since the late 1970s. When the Undertaker debuted in the WWE it really solidified my perception that the WWE was too cartoonish compared to the old NWA and WCW. here you have a guy who a short time earlier was easily beat by Lex Lugar and now of all of a sudden as the Undertaker in the WWE he is beating Kerry Von Eric in 40 seconds. Nope sorry but that was a huge insult to a lot of fans back in that day. I am sure a lot of fans my age would agree. But to the Undertakers credit he has had great longevity and has been loyal to the WWE. He has a lot of agility for a big man but overall I still think he is overated. It is easy to be seen as a legend when you are booked to no sell 99 percent of the time. It is true WCW may not have booked him to his potential but on the other end of the spectrum IMHO the WWE gave him a gimmick of too much invincibility. But the bottom line is that the WWE has made a lot of money of of the gimmick but as a wrestling fan I have seen him beat too many people that were better performers in the ring than him IMHO. Maybe not a popular opinion but as a person who has watched this sport for 30 years I am telling it like it is. So wait... Because one fed booked Lex to beat Undertaker, WWE shouldn't have pushed him? That makes no sense. And is rather confusing considering it's coming from a long time fan. The fact is he's seen as a legend not for his invinicible gimmick but for his amazing career of memorable matches. As I said, there is a reason why Japanese people respect him. Why many look up to him. And look at his run as ABA & Deadman Inc... He was alot weaker then. Maybe you don't agree because I don't have the experience as a fan that you do, but I think your stance is false.
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 16:45:20 GMT -5
Not to sound like a negative nancy here but when the Undertaker debuted I had already been watching wrestling since the late 1970s. When the Undertaker debuted in the WWE it really solidified my perception that the WWE was too cartoonish compared to the old NWA and WCW. here you have a guy who a short time earlier was easily beat by Lex Lugar and now of all of a sudden as the Undertaker in the WWE he is beating Kerry Von Eric in 40 seconds. Nope sorry but that was a huge insult to a lot of fans back in that day. I am sure a lot of fans my age would agree. But to the Undertakers credit he has had great longevity and has been loyal to the WWE. He has a lot of agility for a big man but overall I still think he is overated. It is easy to be seen as a legend when you are booked to no sell 99 percent of the time. It is true WCW may not have booked him to his potential but on the other end of the spectrum IMHO the WWE gave him a gimmick of too much invincibility. But the bottom line is that the WWE has made a lot of money of of the gimmick but as a wrestling fan I have seen him beat too many people that were better performers in the ring than him IMHO. Maybe not a popular opinion but as a person who has watched this sport for 30 years I am telling it like it is. So wait... Because one fed booked Lex to beat Undertaker, WWE shouldn't have pushed him? That makes no sense. And is rather confusing considering it's coming from a long time fan. The fact is he's seen as a legend not for his invinicible gimmick but for his amazing career of memorable matches. As I said, there is a reason why Japanese people respect him. Why many look up to him. And look at his run as ABA & Deadman Inc... He was alot weaker then. Maybe you don't agree because I don't have the experience as a fan that you do, but I think your stance is false. Actually it may make more sense since it is coming from a longtime fan. You have to put yourself back in the time frame 17 years ago and see where I am coming from. A guy like Kerry Von Eric was a pretty tough and star wrestler and to see a guy in a cartoon type character beat him so easily was a pretty big stunner back then. In fact i dare say that if the internet existed 17 years ago than a lot of the IWC would be crying foul concerning the Undertakers push. I am not saying that he has not become an accomplished star and yes he has put on some great matches throughout his career but it is hard for me to see how he was initially pushed as so invincible when weeks before in what was then considered more legitimate wrestling (WCW) he was not so invincible. Yes, it all depends on booking but back then it was a shocker.
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Post by derekd on Nov 23, 2007 16:50:50 GMT -5
If there was an IWC back in those days, there probably would have been an internet, and if that were the case the world would be SO much different that no one could create a frame of reference for it.
If there was an IWC back in those days, I probably wouldn't exist today.
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Post by doytch on Nov 23, 2007 17:03:41 GMT -5
i think undertaker was made on i was 1 year old in survor series matche against casket match yokuzona. he was another wrestler but got died in that match when a lot of wrestlers came to the ring and put him in a casket. he turned into undertaker that day i thot. but on chatroom i told he was mean mark cancer in wcw. i did not know he happened at survivor series 1990 so what i was told was wrong.
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Post by phenomphan on Nov 23, 2007 17:30:43 GMT -5
No matter what anyone thinks of him, I think it's safe to say that no one will ever be able to do what Taker did, as far as taking a cartoonish gimmick and adapting it with the times, all the while becoming one of the most over and cool characters in WWE today and in WWE history.
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Post by franchisedavis on Nov 23, 2007 23:09:43 GMT -5
I was 8 at the time. We were never able to get PPV so I had to wait for the VHS to come out for the Big 4 which seemed like forever at the time. It also got me caught up in WCW for a little while to watch since they would actually be on TBS at the time.
It was a great time to be a fan because what seemed like the best at the time lead to the real Hot time for wrestling. Taker has really done it all.
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Post by King Fox -1017 Bricksquad on Nov 23, 2007 23:29:21 GMT -5
I was 8 at the time and watched it live on PPV. EDIT: Man, Some of you guys are young.
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Post by spmkillie on Nov 24, 2007 10:31:43 GMT -5
...remembering his debut makes me feel old. glad it's not just me
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Post by Desi on Nov 24, 2007 10:38:13 GMT -5
I was only 2 when he first debut. I didn't really appreciate Taker until his Biker years, though I'll take his current character over the rest.
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Post by DingoAteYoBaby on Nov 24, 2007 11:25:01 GMT -5
i think undertaker was made on i was 1 year old in survor series matche against casket match yokuzona. he was another wrestler but got died in that match when a lot of wrestlers came to the ring and put him in a casket. he turned into undertaker that day i thot. but on chatroom i told he was mean mark cancer in wcw. i did not know he happened at survivor series 1990 so what i was told was wrong. Where did you learn English?
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Post by vaderbomb91 on Nov 24, 2007 11:48:43 GMT -5
You have to put yourself back in the time frame 17 years ago and see where I am coming from. A guy like Kerry Von Erich was a pretty tough and star wrestler and to see a guy in a cartoon type character beat him so easily was a pretty big stunner back then. I know where you're coming from, but think of it as a sacrifice for the greater good. Remember that a year after his debut, he was built up to beat the silliest cartoon character the sport has ever seen. Even as a little kid, actually, that was what made me a fan. While no one will think of Taker as Mr. Technical, I think it's a false assumption that only that style of wrestling requires skill. I definitely consider him one of the best all-around wrestlers WWF/E has ever had because the guy has shown his versatility over and over again; he has worked with guys doing every style under the sun and had great matches with all of them. When you can go toe-to-toe with the best in the business, you ARE one of the best in the business. And I've seen Taker show much generosity over the years; he might be booked to no-sell sometimes, but when it comes down to a big match that's supposed to build up his opponent's rep, he ALWAYS works with them to let them show their skills off. So yeah, I'm a fan of the guy.
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Post by therusseliser on Nov 24, 2007 17:12:50 GMT -5
still can't believe they let fred durst in the ring at a wrestlemania. .. the creator of wrestlemania, paul orndorff, must have been turning in his grave Orndorff isnt dead and didnt Howard Finkel think up wrestlemania. I was expecting taker to start dancing with Fred Durst
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Post by EmptyEYE DUNNOOOOOOOOO on Nov 24, 2007 17:22:14 GMT -5
RANDOM FUN FACT: According to the career retrospective thing WWE put out about 4-5 years ago, Vince McMahon actually called up Mark Calloway and said "Hi, is this Undertaker?" when Calloway answered the phone. Calloway somehow figured out it was McMahon and said something like "Uh, yeah, okay, sure." and then Vince laid the whole concept out for him.
Amazing that he's lasted this long, especially given the stretch he had early in his career where they threw him against big huge guys that couldn't really wrestle (Giant Gonzalez being the pinnacle of this).
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