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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 24, 2007 21:20:45 GMT -5
He almost- ALMOST, Mind you- had me halfway interested in seeing why he was dumb enough to screw over the Undertaker at Survivor Series. He has beaten Batista but not Undertaker. He can beat Batista again, and due to the wording of a past stipulation, Batista can't win it back from him. So in theory he has to turn back Batista AND Undertaker eventually, so why not beat Undertaker into injury? What's more, Batista doesn't have to face Undertaker again, so Edge is the top contender. Granted this time he's seduced the interim General Manager (God I can't wait till Teddy comes back and puts Edge and Vicky in their place), lolmark
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Post by mysterydriver on Nov 24, 2007 21:24:40 GMT -5
I see Taker returning the favor from Survivor Series leading to a Triple Threat match at Armaggedon.
From my reading, it seems that I'm not the one thinking that.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 24, 2007 21:29:08 GMT -5
I see Taker returning the favor from Survivor Series leading to a Triple Threat match at Armaggedon. From my reading, it seems that I'm not the one thinking that. Strictly kayfabe-wise, you'd have someone who has lost several consecutive title matches cleanly being insterted into another title match, which is being held between the current champion, and a man who never lost his title (but last defended it successfully against the current champion). Undertaker should lay low. He's looking desperate.
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Post by bigjimmy on Nov 24, 2007 21:53:36 GMT -5
I see Taker returning the favor from Survivor Series leading to a Triple Threat match at Armaggedon. From my reading, it seems that I'm not the one thinking that. but its taker! he gets what he wants! Strictly kayfabe-wise, you'd have someone who has lost several consecutive title matches cleanly being insterted into another title match, which is being held between the current champion, and a man who never lost his title (but last defended it successfully against the current champion). Undertaker should lay low. He's looking desperate. but he is the dead man he does what he wants
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Post by mainsupreme on Nov 24, 2007 21:56:32 GMT -5
"All I know is my gut says maybe." how very neutral of you
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Post by Tapout on Nov 24, 2007 22:56:17 GMT -5
I know that there is no chance that Edge will win the title on his first match on free TV. I agree with this. I smell a DQ with no title change.
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Post by Warwolf on Nov 24, 2007 23:39:17 GMT -5
He almost- ALMOST, Mind you- had me halfway interested in seeing why he was dumb enough to screw over the Undertaker at Survivor Series. He has beaten Batista but not Undertaker. He can beat Batista again, and due to the wording of a past stipulation, Batista can't win it back from him. So in theory he has to turn back Batista AND Undertaker eventually, so why not beat Undertaker into injury? What's more, Batista doesn't have to face Undertaker again, so Edge is the top contender. Granted this time he's seduced the interim General Manager (God I can't wait till Teddy comes back and puts Edge and Vicky in their place), lolmark Not so! You see, That stipulation only holds so long as Edge was still holding the WCW Championship. Once the belt was no longer in his possession, the stipulation no longer held. You see, if that stipulation were to hold, then by the sake of sheer continuity, Edge could not challenge Batista for the title because their last encounter for the belt was in fact to be just that; The LAST time either man would face one another with the belt on the line. The fact that Vicky is putting Edge into this match means that the stipulation held only so long as Edge was the reigning champion of the day. Secondly, your 'lolmark' comment is rather amusing. You assume that because I express a desire to see the return of Teddy Long and a deposment of Vicky from the GM role and thus bring an end to her usefulness to Edge, who I believe the storyline wilkl eventually reveal is simply using her to get his way and to make things less difficult for him, that I am a mark. Clearly, you do not think with the logic of someone who has been on both sides of the ropes. I am a fan, there can be no question of that, for I have watched wrestling for as long as I can remember in one fashion or another. But Teddy Long will not be off-screen forever, and when he returns, it will be to much fanfare and possibly a series of matches in which Vicky and therefore Edge by proxy, can retain power on Smackdown by defeating anyone whom Teddy may assign the role of aiding him in regaining his position. Logically only three men can possibly play that role on Smackdown: Batista, The Undertaker, or very possibly Finlay. Kane may be a very distant fourth possibility, but given how little the man has been used of late I would almost surely consider him ruled out. Next time my dear fellow, think less of 'marks' and more of the storylines which must come if the WWE is to make ANY passing sense whatsoever.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 24, 2007 23:45:18 GMT -5
I considered your choice of words to be very mark-like. But on the first point, as far as I can tell, any time Edge holds that particular title, even if he drops it and gets it again, the stipulation is held.
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Post by Warwolf on Nov 24, 2007 23:58:21 GMT -5
I considered your choice of words to be very mark-like. But on the first point, as far as I can tell, any time Edge holds that particular title, even if he drops it and gets it again, the stipulation is held. I don't believe so. For if that was the case there would be very few members of the smackdown and even "ECW" rosters who would be at the level to challenge for the WCW Championship. Remember also that so far as I know the situation with Edge is unique. It is extremely rare that anyone ever loses their 'last shot' at the world title. That's almost always the match which they win. Secondly, if Batista loses, then he, like many other champions, has the automatic rematch clause. This CANNOT be overruled by the GMs, as has already been shown in the past. When Cena returns, he will in fact be getting a shot at the belt almost immediately because he never actually LOST the belt. This is, presumably the main reason in which Edge is getting a shot so fast himself. God willing, Edge will not immediately wind up with the belt (again, I don't want to see him with it for a very long time personally.), which means it will be time for others to chase him. On top of this is the fact that the Undertaker right now has already made his intentions towards Edge clear when he tombstoned Vicky. He is, from an IC standpoint, out for Edge's blood and doesn't much care who he has to go through to get it. The fact that Vicky has now been outed as an accomplice to Edge's actions at Survivor Series makes her just as guilty in the eyes of the Deadman. Hence why he tombstoned her. He was, in a very dramatic fashion, sending a message to Edge. "ECW" is extremely low on talent who can carry a main-event level match. Smackdown itself is depleted. They aren't about to put the belt on edge and then lock out Batista from regaining the belt again. Remember: Of those who could carry the main event, there is only Undertaker, Kane, Batista and possibly CM Punk on the face side of the line. Rey Misterio's run as world champion was booked horribly and they won't be putting HIM in the title hunt again anytime soon. Therefore you only have four potential challengers. Everyone else is upper-midcard at best, and that's about all they've got right now. And before you say anything, yes, Finaly might be able to run a VERY short program, but he's more of a tweener than an outright face. Simply because he has a loyalty to Hornswoggle doesn't mean he's entirely turned face. He just likes to look out for the little guy because otherwise, the matches he's been put in by Vince would probably kill him.
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Post by Garee on Nov 25, 2007 0:11:23 GMT -5
Not on Raw, maybe at the PPV
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 25, 2007 0:21:42 GMT -5
As I had seen it, Batista lost his "last chance" match (which as you said, is extremely rare) because he needed to be convincingly removed from the title scene. Remember, before Edge was injured, Batista was put into a basically worthless feud with Khali. Batista had a good run and it was time to chill. Due to injury, Khali became an emergency heel champion, and Batista became an emergency contender. Perhaps it's time for him to step aside again. They can invoke the old clause to acheive this, and Vickie would allow it. McMahon is also still a heel, so there's no possible "appeal" of sorts.
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Post by Warwolf on Nov 25, 2007 0:26:14 GMT -5
As I had seen it, Batista lost his "last chance" match (which as you said, is extremely rare) because he needed to be convincingly removed from the title scene. Remember, before Edge was injured, Batista was put into a basically worthless feud with Khali. Batista had a good run and it was time to chill. Due to injury, Khali became an emergency heel champion, and Batista became an emergency contender. Perhaps it's time for him to step aside again. They can invoke the old clause to acheive this, and Vickie would allow it. McMahon is also still a heel, so there's no possible "appeal" of sorts. I don't think they will. For one, the clause was stated to be in effect for the length of THAT PARTICULAR reign. That reign ended when Edge was forced to give up the title. (The same is true for Cena. When/if John Cena regains the belt, it will be a new reign making...what? His fourth time with the belt, I believe?) Therefore, the clause came to and end when Edge's reign as WCW Champion did.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 25, 2007 0:30:08 GMT -5
While I do see him getting the title back, I don't see them rushing into it, for one simple reason. The guy is coming back, early, from a major injury. They need to give him some time, make sure he can hold up without reaggravating it before they put the belt back on him. Rush into it, and you risk having him get re-injured and having to re-shuffle yet again.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 25, 2007 0:30:52 GMT -5
As I had seen it, Batista lost his "last chance" match (which as you said, is extremely rare) because he needed to be convincingly removed from the title scene. Remember, before Edge was injured, Batista was put into a basically worthless feud with Khali. Batista had a good run and it was time to chill. Due to injury, Khali became an emergency heel champion, and Batista became an emergency contender. Perhaps it's time for him to step aside again. They can invoke the old clause to acheive this, and Vickie would allow it. McMahon is also still a heel, so there's no possible "appeal" of sorts. I don't think they will. For one, the clause was stated to be in effect for the length of THAT PARTICULAR reign. That reign ended when Edge was forced to give up the title. (The same is true for Cena. When/if John Cena regains the belt, it will be a new reign making...what? His fourth time with the belt, I believe?) Therefore, the clause came to and end when Edge's reign as WCW Champion did. I really don't think anyone ever said it was effective for "that particular title reign." The words always seemed to be "as long as Edge is champion."
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Post by Timmy8271 on Nov 25, 2007 0:32:56 GMT -5
I think he'll win it at the Rumble and face Taker at Mania for the belt. No way is he going to win it unless Batista gets injured between now and Tuesday.
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Post by Warwolf on Nov 25, 2007 0:47:56 GMT -5
I don't think they will. For one, the clause was stated to be in effect for the length of THAT PARTICULAR reign. That reign ended when Edge was forced to give up the title. (The same is true for Cena. When/if John Cena regains the belt, it will be a new reign making...what? His fourth time with the belt, I believe?) Therefore, the clause came to and end when Edge's reign as WCW Champion did. I really don't think anyone ever said it was effective for "that particular title reign." The words always seemed to be "as long as Edge is champion." That kind of wording usually refers to that reign. The same thing happened with Booker T. So long as Edge was Champion during that reign, Batista was screwed. But this is a new reign. Therefore the clause regarding Batista not being able top challenge again so long as Edge was champion meant, that while Edge was still holding the belt during THAT reign Batsita couldn't have any other shots at the belt. But now that Edge has lost the title. (Due to injury true, but he is no longer the holder of the belt), if he wins it this time, he can't hide behind that clause.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Nov 25, 2007 1:38:07 GMT -5
HELL YES!!!! Edge will regain his title, because he is simply the best.
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Post by bob on Nov 25, 2007 3:51:37 GMT -5
didn't Batista beat Edge the Smackdown the week of the Benoit tradegy in a non title bout? Well, next week it's match #4 between Edge and Batista this year for the gold. Edge is 3-0 so far, and never actually lost the belt. Will they do the switch and have Batista and Taker chase him all the way to Mania, or is it too soon and you think he's getting it back at one of the upcoming PPVs? I'm hoping it's next week, as I really want Taker/Edge meeting in the ring for the first time to be at Mania, and having Batista get rematches at Armageddon and maybe the Rumble will do well to stretch it out long enough for that to happen. ....Yes I'm actually asking for more undeserved Batista title shots, what's the world coming too?
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Post by azz0r on Nov 25, 2007 8:03:18 GMT -5
I think its blindingly obvious Taker will interfere and Edge will lose.
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Post by Error on Nov 25, 2007 13:59:47 GMT -5
didn't Batista beat Edge the Smackdown the week of the Benoit tradegy in a non title bout? Yeah, it was right after the match where if he lost he'd would not get another title shot. It was non title and he beat Edge.
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