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Post by erik316wttn on Nov 24, 2007 16:43:57 GMT -5
It's not the title that's being built up, it's MVP. The title is still totally meaningless. How long since it's been defended? But because MVP is a big star, every time he defends that belt he adds a little more prestige to it, and whoever takes it from him will get a big rub. WWE would be wise to start treating the IC and tag titles in the same way and not giving it to Joe Schmuck out of the crowd. If they're going to keep the IC belt on Hardy, keep it on him for a while and make sure he gets some big wins. They should have kept it for longer on Umaga.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2007 16:45:04 GMT -5
Yeah, before MVP, it was in the hands of Benoit and being feuded over with Chavo. Look, having a former World Champion hold the belt says it's serious. Also, Big Show and JBL held it, too.
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Post by rmac923 on Nov 24, 2007 17:08:10 GMT -5
Hmmm.. I suppose they ARE building up MVP more than the title (hadn't thought of that, admittedly) but it can only help the title in the long run. The next person who gets the belt will be a big star - they're not just going to piss it away like Umaga/Hardy. Jeff brought some credibility to the IC title with his feud with Nitro in Late 06/Early 07. Umaga/Jeff was supposed to be the feud to build Jeff and the title up, but both parties got "Wellness Policy'd" at the worst time. Once they take the title off Jeff, (which is going to be soon I think.) they can have some decent feuds with: Bobby Lashley Santino Marella Cody Rhodes Finlay (Since he's gonna be on Raw more often.) Ken Kennedy
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 24, 2007 18:09:28 GMT -5
I thought in WWE's history, Mr Kennedy lost the US Title to thin air, then thin air lost it to MVP?
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 24, 2007 18:11:36 GMT -5
When you treat a title like a title with everybody wanting it, and you treat a champion like a Champion. The belt and the champion become bigger. The US title has never been booked weak asides from the OJ title run, the belt itself has always been kept strong and relevant even through the spinner phase.
MVP is such a great character, and with the US title he's perfect at that level for the title.
Then you to the midcard and MVP has not made any friends.
Eh it's all about the booking.
Jeff Hardy treating the IC title like an after thought makes the IC title look bad.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 24, 2007 19:11:43 GMT -5
MVP and Matt Hardy have done a solid job of keeping the belt important. The fact that several former world champions (Booker, he who shall not be named, and JBL) in late 2005 and early 2006 helped build it up. While I think it got lost in the shuffle later (see the Lashley/Finlay/Kennedy title reigns from last year), its largely regained its status.
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Post by Loki on Nov 24, 2007 19:13:58 GMT -5
They're building MVP in a very very good way, and the US title could actually gain a lot of credibility from that.
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WWE have to be "serious" about the babyface who'll finally take the belt off MVP.
If MVP drops the title like Cena did with his US belt (to OJ, who done nothing for a while and then jobbed to Benoit), it'll be all worthless. Ditto if they give the belt to an already established guy (see, Orton --> Edge IC title 2004)
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Nov 24, 2007 19:35:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I had to think for a minute or two before I even remembered who has the IC title. And I watch RAW most every week.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 25, 2007 16:26:59 GMT -5
MVP and Matt Hardy have done a solid job of keeping the belt important. The fact that several former world champions (Booker, he who shall not be named, and JBL) in late 2005 and early 2006 helped build it up. While I think it got lost in the shuffle later (see the Lashley/Finlay/Kennedy title reigns from last year), its largely regained its status. I beg to differ on Lashley, finlay and Kennedy. I think Lashley's reign was great because Lashley was being booked properly. I think finlay gaining the title was a nice way to reward s great worker and Kennedy was on Fire.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 25, 2007 16:45:54 GMT -5
MVP and Matt Hardy have done a solid job of keeping the belt important. The fact that several former world champions (Booker, he who shall not be named, and JBL) in late 2005 and early 2006 helped build it up. While I think it got lost in the shuffle later (see the Lashley/Finlay/Kennedy title reigns from last year), its largely regained its status. I beg to differ on Lashley, finlay and Kennedy. I think Lashley's reign was great because Lashley was being booked properly. I think finlay gaining the title was a nice way to reward s great worker and Kennedy was on Fire. Oh I don't think anyone of them were bad champions, in fact Lashley's defeat over JBL was a great way to elevate him as you said. My issue was more that the title changes were happening a little too quickly. Truth be told they should have held off Lashley losing it for a while, finally being beaten by Kennedy, who has it until early 2007, then you do Benoit/Finlay for a little while.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Nov 25, 2007 22:43:49 GMT -5
I think CM Punk will take it when ECW and SD! officially merge. I'd like to see that just for what new official title the ECW show would get. Extreme Championship Smacking?
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Post by Loki on Nov 26, 2007 6:45:13 GMT -5
Former World Champions should NEVER NEEEVERRR NEEEEEVEEEEERRRRRR hold a midcard title after they've held the big one.
Doing that is a bad thing for the Superstar himself, who'll look "demoted" and every win will be "expected". The title won't look good, but it'll be more like a bone thrown to a former great.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Nov 26, 2007 11:35:05 GMT -5
both the IC and US belts hardly get defended nowadays, but i think the difference is that the US belt isn't defended for a reason. MVP is purposefully ducking his main challenger, hardy, and is so scared of losing it that he would willfully team up with him just to keep matt's eyes off the real prize, the US belt. matt on the other hand has tried and failed once, and hasn't been given the chance to win it back. the fact that matt is willing to team with MVP just to try and earn the belt elevates the US division even further. the belt may not have been defended much during the MVP/matt team, but the team was based around both men agreeing to team up, just to keep/get hold of the belt. when hady, or for that matter anyone else wins the title, it's gonna be huge for them.
but both umaga and jeff hardy never defended the belt because they were too busy trying to get the world titles, so the IC belt never really had any reason to be there.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Nov 26, 2007 13:27:53 GMT -5
Former World Champions should NEVER NEEEVERRR NEEEEEVEEEEERRRRRR hold a midcard title after they've held the big one. Doing that is a bad thing for the Superstar himself, who'll look "demoted" and every win will be "expected". The title won't look good, but it'll be more like a bone thrown to a former great. I don't know, I think it elevates the title, in the case of Flair winning and saying it was like winning the big one again. And if there is nothing else for them to do (He Who Must Not Be Names), there's nothing wrong with it either. If this were the case, Jericho wouldn't have the most IC Title reigns. I wish the U.S. Title would be defended more often, but at least it's in an important storyline. The IC Title just seems forgotten sometimes. I kind of hope Snitsky wins it, then they could always feed Snitsky to Lashley later or something. As far as a tertiary title on Smackdown, maybe, if they have no intention of bringing back the CW Title they can have a TV title for Yang and the other guys who aren't US contenders. Punk is just fine on ECW. Leave him as ECW champion forever, I don't care.
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