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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 17:47:15 GMT -5
Yeah, though smarks would love it, it wouldn't be a good idea and why would you lose respect for WWE? Because they're desperate to trot out yesterday's gimmicks for yet another cheap pop, even after they've made fools out of themselves?
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 6, 2007 17:49:30 GMT -5
I hope he shows up. The crap they pulled on him this past WM was a disgrace. how could you NOT have Hogan there..unfrickenbelieveable!
I think there is a 50/50 chance considering Vince is pulling that Hogan never existed crap he pulled 10 years ago when he acted like Andre was responsible for WWFs popularity.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 17:50:58 GMT -5
I hope he shows up. The crap they pulled on him this past WM was a disgrace. how could you NOT have Hogan there..unfrickenbelieveable! I think there is a 50/50 chance considering Vince is pulling that Hogan never existed crap he pulled 10 years ago when he acted like Andre was responsible for WWFs popularity. What crap? Hogan wanted gobs of money and McMahon wouldn't let him commit highway robbery on him. Hogan has to do something to cover his alimony and Brooke's singing career--he's much more desperate now.
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 6, 2007 17:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah, though smarks would love it, it wouldn't be a good idea and why would you lose respect for WWE? Because they're desperate to trot out yesterday's gimmicks for yet another cheap pop, even after they've made fools out of themselves? Well if the current "Superstars" were just that, WWE wouldn't have to do things like this.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 17:52:49 GMT -5
I hope he shows up. The crap they pulled on him this past WM was a disgrace. how could you NOT have Hogan there..unfrickenbelieveable! I think there is a 50/50 chance considering Vince is pulling that Hogan never existed crap he pulled 10 years ago when he acted like Andre was responsible for WWFs popularity. What crap? Hogan wanted gobs of money and McMahon wouldn't let him commit highway robbery on him. Hogan has to do something to cover his alimony and Brooke's singing career--he's much more desperate now. Yeah, but Hogan was a proven commodity and in the past McMahon has come to terms with negotiating with bringing him in, so if I were him I'd try to get as much as I could as well. And it's not like Hogan was begging them, Vince offered.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 17:53:46 GMT -5
Yeah, though smarks would love it, it wouldn't be a good idea and why would you lose respect for WWE? Because they're desperate to trot out yesterday's gimmicks for yet another cheap pop, even after they've made fools out of themselves? Seeing as those cheap pops outdo any of what the current roster has, can't blame them.
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 6, 2007 17:54:38 GMT -5
I hope he shows up. The crap they pulled on him this past WM was a disgrace. how could you NOT have Hogan there..unfrickenbelieveable! I think there is a 50/50 chance considering Vince is pulling that Hogan never existed crap he pulled 10 years ago when he acted like Andre was responsible for WWFs popularity. What crap? Hogan wanted gobs of money and McMahon wouldn't let him commit highway robbery on him. Hogan has to do something to cover his alimony and Brooke's singing career--he's much more desperate now. Well unlike the NFL etc Wrestling can create magical moments with past stars., and Vince because of his EGO didn't do that at WM with Hogan. I wouldn't have cared if Hogan wanted 10 million to show up for WM 23...It's f***ing Hulk Hogan. Hogan crippled and old is still worth more today than the Entire WWE roster.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 17:54:47 GMT -5
Vince didn't cave into Hogan's demands for a "bigger" Wrestlemania with Hogan in it. Now he opts to bring Hogan back for a free show because Hogan needs some quick cash. Vince got what he wanted in the end, like he usually does.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 17:56:18 GMT -5
Vince didn't cave into Hogan's demands for a "bigger" Wrestlemania with Hogan in it. Now he opts to bring Hogan back for a free show because Hogan needs some quick cash. Vince got what he wanted in the end, like he usually does. Or maybe because he genuinely wants to help Hogan who made tons of money for him over the years?
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 17:58:31 GMT -5
Vince didn't cave into Hogan's demands for a "bigger" Wrestlemania with Hogan in it. Now he opts to bring Hogan back for a free show because Hogan needs some quick cash. Vince got what he wanted in the end, like he usually does. Or maybe because he genuinely wants to help Hogan who made tons of money for him over the years? The magic 8-ball says "NO"
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 17:59:04 GMT -5
Or maybe because he genuinely wants to help Hogan who made tons of money for him over the years? The magic 8-ball says "NO" Thanks for your expert analysis, because you know Vince so well apparently and what he's thinking.
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Post by Jack on Dec 6, 2007 18:00:11 GMT -5
The reason why Hogan wasn't at WM23 was because Vince thought that because Donald Trump was turning up that he didn't need Hogan there therefore his efforts at negotiation was only half hearted.
All this stuff about "Hogan's unreasonable demands" is bullcrap. Every guy negotiates for their apperance, nobody says "Hey Vince what the hell call it a favour". It's just that this time round Vince felt Donald Trump meant more to the audience therefore he was willing to give Hogan the brush off.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 18:01:37 GMT -5
The magic 8-ball says "NO" Thanks for your expert analysis, because you know Vince so well apparently and what he's thinking. And you do? What high and mighty power has told you of Vince's radiant compassion?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 18:05:15 GMT -5
Thanks for your expert analysis, because you know Vince so well apparently and what he's thinking. And you do? What high and mighty power has told you of Vince's radiant compassion? Let's see, he was willing to help out Regal and many others with their drug problems over the years and he's not this monster that he plays on TV or hear about on the internet. I don't know about you, but that's pretty compassionate to me.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 18:07:47 GMT -5
Let's see, he was willing to help out Regal and many others with their drug problems over the years and he's not this monster that he plays on TV or hear about on the internet. I don't know about you, but that's pretty compassionate to me. Vince "helps" those who make him money. If you don't, you're out the door faster than you can say "Chris Masters" or "Eugene". The jobbers always take the fall.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 18:09:58 GMT -5
Let's see, he was willing to help out Regal and many others with their drug problems over the years and he's not this monster that he plays on TV or hear about on the internet. I don't know about you, but that's pretty compassionate to me. Vince "helps" those who make him money. If you don't, you're out the door faster than you can say "Chris Masters" or "Eugene". The jobbers always take the fall. Well, I disagree, he helped out Mercury last year after his drug abuse and he wasn't a big money player in WWE. He helped out Droz after his accident and the guy hasn't made WWE a dime. I know a lot of people want to buy into the whole "OMG VINCE IS TEH SUXXORZ!11" hype but I don't.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 18:13:38 GMT -5
Vince does not "suck" any more than any other CEO. He only invests in things that can make him money. Obviously he did not think Masters, Eugene, and many others could and decided not to keep them. He obviously thinks that others who committed Wellness Policy infractions (Kennedy) are worth keeping.
He is driven by profit, not compassion or "fairness".
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 18:15:09 GMT -5
Vince does not "suck" any more than any other CEO. He only invests in things that can make him money. Obviously he did not think Masters, Eugene, and many others could and decided not to keep them. He obviously thinks that others who committed Wellness Policy infractions (Kennedy) are worth keeping. He is driven by profit, not compassion or "fairness". Of course he's a business man, but he's not heartless as some would lead you to believe. So that I don't agree with.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 18:17:46 GMT -5
Of course he's a business man, but he's not heartless as some would lead you to believe. So that I don't agree with. Believe what you will. I believe this: great men are almost always bad men.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 18:18:20 GMT -5
Of course he's a business man, but he's not heartless as some would lead you to believe. So that I don't agree with. Believe what you will. I believe this: great men are almost always bad men. Depends on who you ask, some would say yes, some would say no. I guess we'll agree to disagree then, to each his own.
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