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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 16, 2009 4:18:31 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing something here but...why is there so much outrage over this? As if Angle was found standing over her bloody, battered body, or he went on some wild hourlong police chase causing immense property damage, or he threatened the police with a gun, or something like that? Maybe I am just playing devils advocate a bit too much here but... 1. So his girlfriend, or maybe ex girlfriend, who knows...said he was stalking her and filed some sort of restraining order. What exactly does that prove? I have had dealings with crazy women before who said I was stalking them and crap based on nothing at all. I am just saying, as far as I know nothing has been proven yet. The whole thing could be BS. Keep in mind if the allegations of abuse are proven, well...Steve Austin wasn't fired because he beat Debra. I am not advocating such behavior, but when it comes down to it it really doesn't affect Angles job performance and I dont think anyone should lose their job over somebad things that happened in their home life. 2. Driving under a suspended license...breaking the law but really nothing in the grand scheme of things. 3. Having HGH. Not the first time a wrestler has been caught with illegal drugs and rarely does it result in a firing. Especially in the case of someone like Kurt who is very valuable to the company. Let me just say that I think Kurt should be suspended or punished somehow especially if the drugs he has arent legit. However, I dont understand why people in here are freaking out so much or suggesting Kurt be fired as if he just robbed a bank. The mainstream media doesn't give a s*** about TNA so nobody is going to be caring about or reporting on this story outside of the usual pro wrestling news outlets and wrestling fans. I agree. Let's see if this woman is not completley full of it. Driving with a suspended license and HGH. Don't care. Whole thing just kinda reminds me of when RVD got caught with pot. Bunch of people freaking out saying he should be fired and he just made the company look terrible and blah blah. As if people in the entertainment business are not already viewed and judged by a completely different standard. Nobody in Hollywood loses their job if caught with drugs, why should a pro wrestler? They made the company look bad? The average person already assumes most pro wrestlers are a lower form of life, druggies, roidheads, or some combination of the three. "Well gee little Timmy, I was gonna let you watch TNA tonight, but that bad man Kurt Angle got caught with steroids or something, didn't he? Maybe if TNA had suspended or fired him I would let you watch. They didnt though, so no more TNA in this house!" Yeah, conversations like that do not happen in the real world.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 16, 2009 3:02:50 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing something here but...why is there so much outrage over this? As if Angle was found standing over her bloody, battered body, or he went on some wild hourlong police chase causing immense property damage, or he threatened the police with a gun, or something like that?
Maybe I am just playing devils advocate a bit too much here but...
1. So his girlfriend, or maybe ex girlfriend, who knows...said he was stalking her and filed some sort of restraining order. What exactly does that prove? I have had dealings with crazy women before who said I was stalking them and crap based on nothing at all. I am just saying, as far as I know nothing has been proven yet. The whole thing could be BS.
Keep in mind if the allegations of abuse are proven, well...Steve Austin wasn't fired because he beat Debra. I am not advocating such behavior, but when it comes down to it it really doesn't affect Angles job performance and I dont think anyone should lose their job over somebad things that happened in their home life.
2. Driving under a suspended license...breaking the law but really nothing in the grand scheme of things.
3. Having HGH. Not the first time a wrestler has been caught with illegal drugs and rarely does it result in a firing. Especially in the case of someone like Kurt who is very valuable to the company.
Let me just say that I think Kurt should be suspended or punished somehow especially if the drugs he has arent legit. However, I dont understand why people in here are freaking out so much or suggesting Kurt be fired as if he just robbed a bank. The mainstream media doesn't give a shit about TNA so nobody is going to be caring about or reporting on this story outside of the usual pro wrestling news outlets and wrestling fans.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 16, 2009 2:31:33 GMT -5
Logic defined Attitude Era feuds? When SCSA first stunned Vince McMahon, he could have fired him, but instead tried to make his life miserable. How is this logical? Actually they explained that. Vince said that he could easily fire Austin if he wanted to, but he wanted to humiliate and destroy Austin. Also, he DID fire Austin at one point but Shane hired him back. Yes, most Attitude Era feuds had logic to them. What I mean is storyline logic, not real world logic. Imagine if midway through the Austin feud Vince just stopped bothering with him and started picking on Sergeant Slaughter? Would that make any sense? I am saying that this feud has no logic within the realm of WRESTLING. Orton tried to destroy Vinces family and he has pretty much just let it slide.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 16, 2009 0:55:50 GMT -5
There are many reason I consider the Orton vs. HHH feud to be a colossal failure, but the main issue I have had with it is the fact that it was booked as an epic Attitude Era feud, with none of the logic that defined them.
Take Vince McMahon for example.
He is portrayed as having the final say in anything on all the shows. He can do whatever he wants. He can hire and fire people, including GMs, at will. He can book any matches he wishes, and can order the wrestlers to do anything.
Yet since getting punted in the head and sidelined for months, then watching all members of his family aside from his wife get the same treatment, he has left Randy Orton almost completely alone. This is the same guy who feuded with Steve Austin for almost two years because he did not fit the corporate mold. The same guy who made Bobby Lashleys career a living hell for months just because he had a hand in getting Vinces head shaved.
Orton decimates his family and largely gets a free pass. Why would he not get the same treatment as McMahon enemies of the past, when he did worse to the man than anyone else, even Steve Austin has ever done? Why would he not, at the very least, book Orton in more difficult matches where he would have a hard time keeping the title?
It is even more silly when you consider that Vince is currently more preoccupied with using his considerable power to pick on...Teddy Long. A guy that has never done anything to Vince.
They could explain this in any way they wanted. Say Triple H told Vince to stay away from Orton because he wanted to beat him fair and square to prove a point. Say, unlike those past guys, Orton was smart enough to use his lawyers to negotiate his contract in such a way that Vince couldn't flagrantly abuse his power on Orton.
It just really takes me out of the story when something this questionable is overlooked. I understand that wrestling is not logical or realistic, but it DOES have set rules within its own little internal world, and in WWE one of the biggest, if not the biggest one is that you dont screw with Vince McMahon and expect to get off easily. He went after HBK with more zeal and fervor, and he didnt even have much of a reason other than not liking a few remarks HBK made on an episode of RAW and HBK refusing to become more like his old self.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 15, 2009 19:50:11 GMT -5
Besides the early days of the character, that was my favorite era of Austin, yes.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 15, 2009 18:45:49 GMT -5
In the past HBK has been known to flip out and random superkick people. One time he did it to a lot of people. It'd be cool if they used it to start a feud some time. Picture it: Shawn is superkicking people as we go to commercial. When we come back someone is being interviewed, say Jack Swagger, and that's the end of it. Until HBK bursts onto the screen and plants him with a superkick. Later on Swagger can lose a match, blame the superkick and attack Shawn. Uh...Hogan fued?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 15, 2009 17:27:53 GMT -5
Isn't that how things were years ago during the Monday Night Wars? Whether this guy was going to WCW or WWF or ECW? A lot of wrestlers were jumping to other companies. These days, more wrestlers get released from WWE then leave on their own. You make the most money in WWE nowadays, that is why. During the heyday of the Monday Night Wars, more guys were fired from WCW than WWF at the time and most people wanted to go to WCW over anywhere else since they were winning in the ratings and they had a lot more money to throw around than WWF. Guys like Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Nash and Hall jumping to WCW. Big names. Beyond The Giant, who was WWF getting? Guys who would be considered WCW rejects like X Pac and Big Bossman. That is what always annoys me about the reject stigma. Its unfair to the talent and the company. If TNA was on top then WWE would be getting called out for hiring TNA Rejects.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 15, 2009 15:48:30 GMT -5
Shouldn't this be something Irwin R. Shyster should be promoting Why would he want to travel around with a bunch of tax cheats trying to weasel their way out of paying Uncle Sam?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 18:56:30 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone thinks this would be a great idea. I don't think either UFC or WWE would do it. But, if he was the guest host I would tune in. Has to be better then ZZ Top, Dr. Ken and Freddie Prinze Jr. WWE would do it. UFC wouldn't allow it. It would be awesome though, especially if Brock got in a scuffle or maybe even booked himself in a match.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 18:40:13 GMT -5
I dunno about RAW getting hammered, but I have to get hammered to be able to sit through it.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 17:26:31 GMT -5
I love everything in WWE right now minus the RAW main event scene.
If they would diversify that more, and put more work into building the lower guys I wouldn't have any complaints. As it stands I dont pay attention to RAW and I am a lot happier.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 17:11:15 GMT -5
Speaking of that Eddie heel turn, he proceeded to cut one of my favorite promos ever a week later.
I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST IT!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 16:59:53 GMT -5
You really hate Eddie, don't you? I may not agree with what his viewpoint but he's backed it up with opinions and discussion about buyrates. Definitely, but really, is it relevant at all to who was the better performer? Benoit wasn't ever a huge draw either.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5
HIAC these days are glorified cage matches. No one ever gets out of the cage and with the way the new one is set up, no one can climb out. I would rather it be that way. The original point of the Cell WAS to keep the wrestlers inside so they were forced to take each other on directly. Nobody is ever going to take the bumps Foley did, so they should keep it inside. Its a cool visual when guys fight on top of the Cell, but thats about it. Besides, there have been some amazing matches where the wrestlers never left the cell, like HBK vs. HHH or Lesnar vs. Taker.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 15:56:37 GMT -5
Are people forgetting about the Wrestlemania with the subtitle...THE RAGIN CLIMAX!
Or Wrestlemania 23...I was there and loved the event, but it definitely has one of the dumbest names: All Grown Up.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 15:53:46 GMT -5
Hurricane only entertained me when he was a superhero that couldn't do any super things.
Like back during the invasion, when he would do hilarious stuff such as attempt to powerbomb Bradshaw or Chokeslam Kane.
However, he may as well go back to being Hurricane. He wasn't ever really going to go anywhere as just Gregory Helms, wrestler guy. Especially with no cruiser division, he may as well have a fun gimmick that gets him some TV time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 14:19:52 GMT -5
Benoit´s title run was not that great either. Voted for Eddie because he was the total package(could talk and wrestle) maybe benoits wasnt the greatest title run but at least people outside of smarks actually wanted to see him as champion whereas eddie is the worst wwe champ ppv draw theres been for a long time Eh? Eddie was incredibly over, that was why he got the title in the first place. The fans wouldn't allow him to ever stay heel for very long anytime WWE tried it. His title run may have not been the best, but as I recall 2004 overall wasn't a great year for business no matter who was holding the strap. I could be wrong, but that was how I remembered it...and I am sure if Eddie had gotten the title back again before he died during his Batista storyline it would have went much better.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 14:16:01 GMT -5
Eddie was always one of my favorites and shortly into his WWE run, he became my favorite wrestler.
My decision is not influenced by how they died, either.
Benoit was a bit better in the ring IMO, but not by much. Eddie was one of the most charismatic wrestlers ever. This is an easy decision for me.
Eddie Guerrero, one of the most complete wrestlers ever along with guys like Dibiase, Jericho, and Kurt Angle.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 14:09:06 GMT -5
I typically do not buy into the whole TURN HIM HEEL argument, but Finlay is sort of like a reverse Sting. As a face he just seems awkward. It worked fine when he was with Hornswoggle but now he needs to go back to his heelish ways.
His brawling style and overall character just works better as a heel. As a face, he just bores me and it doesn't really fit.
I say heel turn and then let him feud with Mysterio. Maybe even give him an IC Title run.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 13, 2009 12:58:30 GMT -5
I sure hope the ECW Cell match is Christian vs. Dreamer, they have great matches together and I would like to see what Tommy could do in the Cell.
Christian vs. Shelton would probably be good too.
Whoever is in the Smackdown match, it will be good.
RAW, as with everything RAW, I just dont care.
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