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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 16:50:45 GMT -5
Since they seem to be going the sadistic route, he should use a submission.
Submissions are good for heels, with the old time tested HE WONT LET THEM GO AFTER THE BELL!!! spot.
I say bring back the Torture Rack and give it to him.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 7:58:06 GMT -5
So the epitome of greatness would be for Sid to show up in a Members Only jacket. Possibly with a sombrero, a tshirt that was too tight, and a basketball, if he could get booked. He'd ride to the event with El Dandy, and afterwards they'd stop off for some Arby's with Umaga around 10:40. Then off to the mall for some pants shopping with Legacy, all while speculating just who could be under Curry Man's mask. What'd I miss? Needs more Snitsky.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 6:42:02 GMT -5
When Lesnar had Heyman up for the F5 during a cage match and had to walk around with him forever while Angle tried to get inside, and then finally just climbed over.
Also, a similar cage goof involving Mark Henry and Tista.
Edit: Also, Rico yelling at Jeff when he forgot a spot on PPV during one of his more drugged out periods.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 6:32:56 GMT -5
Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table. And I bet Orton trying to blow up Cena gets just as big a reaction live as the guy moonsaulting. Hell, Cena puts his arm in the air and outdoes the pop most guys get for doing all kinds of arm drags and headscissors. If the crowd is cheering. The show is working. That is all definitely true, but I wasn't arguing that. A lot of people try and act like WWE style is so psychology focused, and all indie matches arent. As if WWE is 80s NWA or something. It isn't though. A lot of WWE matches are either devoid of psychology or far too short to have any real storytelling going on.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 1:09:56 GMT -5
Im surprised nobody said Isaac Yankem to Kane.
Either that or Johnny Polo to Raven are the ultimate examples to me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 0:02:38 GMT -5
Dragon Gate USA Twitter @iamjericho better yet Mr. Jericho, consider yourself invited to 11/28 Philly or 1/23 Chi. DGUSA events & compare it to Smackdown yourself. @iamjericho Don't worry about the breadline Mr. Jericho, you are always welcome in Dragon Gate USA or EVOLVE. LOL I guess he's running with it. I'm sure if Jericho went to DRagon Gate, he'd see matches so similar and devoid of psychology. Like many others do, and why many like me disliked Gabe's ROH Plenty of WWE matches are devoid of psychology. I always think its funny when people dismiss every indie match as not having psychology and being about nothing but the flips. Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 20:25:47 GMT -5
I dont see whats wrong with Lashley vs. Styles. Doesnt sound like its going to be a PPV match anyway.
Even if it is, it would be a good match at least. Lashley isn't a bad wrestler at all, hes pretty good if you ask me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 19:35:50 GMT -5
It was funny, I agree. I probably would have said the same thing if I were in Jerichos position.
Hes also right though. Its not anything a lot of former WWE guys have said...guys who were former champions and drew enough to be high on the card most of the time.
So...yeah.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 19:28:43 GMT -5
You realize that was a joke right? That's why I was giggling, smart guy. Honestly, I don't get the hype behind Mike Knox. He never struck me as anything but a standard big guy. Except that he does a crossbody. I think with Knox, its just that he is a big guy like Snitsky or Heidenreich who is actually capable of putting on a good match. He can be used in similar roles as they were but actually be entertaining. So people like that and feel he should be pushed. I realize that when he put on a great match on ECW with Dreamer and Sandman in a hardcore environment, brought out barbed wire and all of that. It was a good brawling style match and Dreamer and Sandman looked good beating him and Test since they were good enough to be credible as monster heel JTTS. I dont think I can see Mike Knox: World Champion nor should it ever really happen IMO, but I wouldn't mind him to be in a Kane type role. Perhaps a couple IC reigns or something.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 17:22:30 GMT -5
Who and how. What effect does it have on subsequent storylines. Gimme somethin' to read. Hornswoggle. Why or how makes no difference. What happens after makes no difference either, he would be a heel for life after that.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 17:17:05 GMT -5
You know whats funny to me ? ALL of these guys got far better of a push when they all kinda sucked. Now that they are all much more capable in every area they are dead in the water for the most part.
WWE is strange sometimes.
Okay, most of the time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 16:43:42 GMT -5
I am gonna go with Orton.
The announcers already go on about how much of a sick psycho he is, but he rarely shows it. Especially in promos. I want him to go full blown crazy, assuming he has the promo skills to pull it off.
At least show me how crazy he is, aside from once a PPV match having a little fit.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 16:19:53 GMT -5
I'm just glad I got to go back in 2007 for Wrestlemania 23. I was only 3 years old when they were here for Wrestlemania III. I still wish I could have been there to say I witnessed the historical aspect of it. Same. I wasn't a big fan of 23s card, but I was happy I finally got to go to a Wrestlemania.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 16:16:13 GMT -5
I'm really puzzled over the CM Punk/Our Truth angle. The WWE is making people hate a guy that's morally correct. Punk's right. No matter how much he preaches, he's right. That stuff will eventually kill you. Cancer, liver disease/failure, etc. is nothing to sneeze at. Booing a guy that doesn't want you to get any of that is kind of insane. I guess that's the society we live in. That is SUCH an oversimplification of a complex argument. Punk is a preachy guy who says you should never have any fun because there is a chance it could hurt you. He also erroneously and arrogantly assumes every single person in the crowd drinks, smokes, and takes drugs any chance they get. He is obviously extolling the benefits of good life choices, but doing it in a completely wrong, arrogant, and annoying way. That doesn't make him right at all. It makes him a dick. A heel could come out every week and tell people they should never get in a car and drive anywhere because theres a chance they may get in an accident and die. He could cite statistics and mock the crowd for taking risks with their life every single day, everytime they sit down to drive to work. He would be right then, too. Does that mean anyone should listen to him? Punks playing the role of a really hardline straight edge person who cant see the difference between someone who has a couple beers and an alcoholic junky. He is an extremist that puts everyone in the same category and cannot discern between the two or see that there isn't anything wrong with the guy who has a couple to relax during the week. He also is flat out TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD DO because he WANTS TO BE RIGHT. Not because he cares about anyone. Pretty obvious to me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 16:05:41 GMT -5
If Dolph is getting buried because he keeps coming close to winning the IC Title but ends up losing, I have a long list of wrestlers who would like to volunteer for a burial.
Getting title shots and lots of TV time is nowhere near the definition of a burial.
Also, people are conveniently ignoring that this was a three fall match where Ziggler pinned the current IC champion during one of the falls. Do you think the average WWE fan cares if Ziggler loses his title shots and will now never see him being a credible wrestler as a result? Talk about overreacting.
He could get another title shot next month and win. Nobody would care that he lost the past 5 times. Thats how WWE works. Especially modern WWE. Your wins are infinitely more important than any losses. Nobody remembers losses but everyone remembers wins.
If Dolph starts losing to jobbers every week then you have cause for concern. Until then, no.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 15:56:59 GMT -5
BIG SHOWS HANDS ARE TWO BIG HONEYBAKED HAMS KING!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 15:52:09 GMT -5
Sure, and they should go ahead and bring back Snitsky, Brakkus, and every other big guy that cant work.
In other words, no.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 3:00:36 GMT -5
If you think Bats was playing full out heel against either of those guys, you have a very skewed perspective of what a heel is supposed to be. Well, no, not with Taker, but up until Jericho got involved he pretty much was with Michaels. And even then he still tended to pester and sneak attack Taker at every opportunity. The main way to turn a guy heel is with promos. Bats never cut any heel promos. You can either justify or villify a wrestlers actions with the promo. Thats why promos are so important, after all. If a couple sneak attacks or random finishers were all it took, Austin would have been a huge heel during the Attitude Era.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 2:48:13 GMT -5
Feud with HBK or Taker. Thats a heel turn right away since they are probably the most respected wrestlers from the fans. Considering people didn't really care when Bat Is Tame played the heel against either of them, I really doubt either would be enough to turn Trips with. Especially Michaels. I honestly don't think he's ever been as over as Triple H is. If you think Bats was playing full out heel against either of those guys, you have a very skewed perspective of what a heel is supposed to be.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 1:58:23 GMT -5
If Triple H is ever world champion again I want it to just be a full heel turn where they finally just acknowledge that he basically runs the damn place. Have him hold the title for a full year and lose it at Mania to someone who needs to get made, be that Kofi, Morisson, whoever. I don't ever WANT Triple H to be champion again, but if he were thats what I'd book. Once you start that angle, how do you get out of it? If HHH is finally doing an "I RUN THE SHOW" angle, he can decide that he never has to defend the title, he can demand that people lie down for him or he'll fire them, etc... It seems like it opens a can of worms (full of logic holes) that can never be closed. If its booked the right way, sure. Austin vs. McMahon worked. Its all in the booking or writing. Perhaps RAWs writing team isn't up to the task but it could easily work.
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