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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 18:08:47 GMT -5
Favre and Warner didn't no-show their SB losses. So, because they were better losers that makes them superior. Alright, then.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 18:05:10 GMT -5
Are you talking about the Brett Favre and Kurt Warner with just one ring a piece?
Yeah, I can see how you'd see them as superior to Peyton, what with his...
Oh... wait a minute.
What's your criteria exactly, and why do Favre and Warner make that list and not Peyton? It can't be stats because Peyton damn near owns them all, so what is it?
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 17:04:48 GMT -5
So, the Seahawks got their first Super Bowl last night, but who's next on this list?
Cleveland Browns Detroit Lions Houston Texans Jacksonville Jaguars Arizona Cardinals Atlanta Falcons Buffalo Bills Carolina Panthers Cincinnati Bengals Minnesota Vikings Philadelphia Eagles San Diego Chargers Tennessee Titans
I think the Cardinals are a few pieces away from making a run, so I'll go Cards.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 15:39:37 GMT -5
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 15:29:54 GMT -5
I haven't read anything, here or otherwise, that is taking all blame off of Peyton. Where are you reading that? As I said earlier, the entire team played like complete shit; from Peyton all the way down to Special Teams. Every player gets their own special slice of blame for playing unmotivated ball in the Super Bowl. Troy Aikman last night during the game and Herman Edwards this morning on SportsCenter just to name two. You're right, every player gets their own individual slice of the proverbial blame pie for last night's catastrophe. But the biggest slice at the dinner table unquestionably goes to Peyton Manning. Oh, alright. I didn't hear Aikman last night and I didn't know people were saying that today. I really wish the o-line hadn't crumbled; that's the most baffling thing of last night. I get that Seattle is that good, but it's like they forgot how to football. If a guy like Wilson, Kaepernick or Luck get pressured, they can take off, but Manning's a statue back there. They need to do a better job in standing up and hitting the d-line back.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 14:08:32 GMT -5
I just can't stand this whole notion that if Denver won last night, Peyton Manning's legacy is somehow greatly impacted and he is vaulted into this heretofore unseen stratosphere, but since the Broncos lost, it doesn't affect him at all and the blame should rather be focused on the offensive line, defense or special teams. I haven't read anything, here or otherwise, that is taking all blame off of Peyton. Where are you reading that? As I said earlier, the entire team played like complete shit; from Peyton all the way down to Special Teams. Every player gets their own special slice of blame for playing unmotivated ball in the Super Bowl.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -5
Any chance Peyton retires? I thought about that last night, but the more I think about it the more I think absolutely not. He didn't go through all of that surgery and completely re-learn how to throw a football to end his career with a whimper. He'll back back.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 13:07:34 GMT -5
As much as I hate Seattle I just hope the national narrative isn't about Peyton choking again. Seattle dominated that game and they deserve credit for bringing it. It won't be. In the next couple weeks the narrative will switch from Peyton to Seattle and their domination. In March Peyton might come back up with his neck check, but Seattle's going to get the credit they deserve.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 12:40:18 GMT -5
And hell, if we're gonna crush Tony Romo for choking (and rightfully so most of the time), at what point do we do the same to Peyton? Certainly Tony isn't as accomplished, nor as talented, but let's be consistent in our assessments. "VINTAGE PEYTON!" And that's fair; Peyton deserves his fair share, and then some, for the loss last night. However, you're going to have people that try to pin it all on one guy. "WELL, IF MANNY HADN'T SNAPPED IT HIGH WE WOULD HAVE WON!" "IF DEMARYIUS HADN'T FUMBLED WE WOULD HAVE WON!" "IF THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THING HAPPENED THEN WE WOULD'VE WON!" It's ridiculous. The entire team wins games and the entire team loses games. I know the media typically gives Peyton all the credit for the wins, but that's what the media does. QBs are the sexy figureheads of the teams, so of course they get talked about the majority of the time; fans and the teams know that the team wins and loses game. Last night was a total Bronco loss - EVERYBODY flat out sucked and didn't do their jobs last night. You can't pin it all on Peyton, DeMaryius, Champ, Decker etc. etc. The Denver Broncos were given the task of winning the Super Bowl and they all let each other down.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 12:22:54 GMT -5
I saw a couple Bronco fans say they'd love to see the team go hard after Greg Hardy. I'm sure we couldn't afford him, but that'd be sweet as hell.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 12:10:49 GMT -5
Ain't no way in hell he's worth 10 million. In his prime he was the best corner in the game, but he doesn't get to have that kind of payday anymore. With as often as he is injured he's not worth that type of money. That's money that could be better spent resigning guys like DRC.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 11:38:18 GMT -5
This game for Denver was practically there 1980s team re-incarnated. A great QB (Elway then, Manning now) with an offense that is supposed to be explosive, lack of a running game, a defense that can't keep up (though not as bad as Denver in SB 21, 22 and 24) with a coach that lacks the instinct to win the big one (Reeves then, Fox now) I saw a few old school and long time Bronco fans say the same thing on forums and reddit last night. If this is what Bronco fans felt like in the 80s, what a horrible decade to be around for. Well, hell, the scores alone tell you how bad those Super Bowl performances were.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -5
Peyton did make a lot of bad throws, but to be fair, he rarely had time to throw. The Broncos' offensive line was a sieve last night. On nearly every passing play Peyton was hurried. I mean exactly how many times did the pocket collapse almost instantly and Peyton was forced to roll out or step forward just to get the pass off? Could he have made smarter throws? For damn sure. Was it all his fault? No. It was the entire offense's fault. As much as I agree that they need to focus on defense this offseason, they also need to focus on offensive line. You are never going to win a Super Bowl with an o-line that collapses as quickly and easily as Denver's did last night. I hope every GM/President watches last night's Super Bowl over and over and look at the Broncos and realize that that isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl. It might be good enough to make it to the Super Bowl, but that's about it. It doesn't make sense. The o-line was solid all year long, and then they completely keeled over last night. Having Ryan Clady back next year will help out immensely, but I agree that o-line needs to be fixed after what we saw last night. I think the main difference is that the entire team looked unmotivated. I don't know if Fox and/or Del Rio just aren't good motivators, but the fierceness and intensity that the 'Hawks came out with was incredible. They looked like a team with something to prove, and we looked like a team who wanted to make sure we didn't hit anybody too hard and give dem wittle ouchies. Before the game I felt that the Seahawks were going to play too flustered because they were so young, and that we had it because we were the calm, cool and collected team. I had the story right, but never did I think the team led by Peyton would be the team that looked flustered and lost. So it goes, brother. So it goes.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 11:18:14 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that last night's game did not affect Peyton Manning's legacy, because what we saw last night was what I already perceive Peyton Manning's legacy to be: an all-time great quarterback who puts up gaudy stats in the regular season with high-powered offenses, but when the lights get a little too bright, he wilts, and that is precisely what happened last night. Spare me the inevitable Adam Schefter column that blames every other Denver Bronco for last night's loss. "If Manny Ramirez doesn't snap it over his head, they win!" or "If the second half kickoff doesn't bounce right into Harvin's hands, they win!", he'll inevitably write. Peyton Manning came into the Super Bowl with the highest-scoring offense in NFL history, and he led them to eight points. Manning last night said that it's insulting to use the word "embarrassing", but I'll use it for him. What we saw last night was embarrassing. The Broncos, including Manning, totally no-showed the biggest game of the year and walked away with a single touchdown. All those yards he piled up in the regular season, and all those touchdowns, and today, none of it matters. Are we seriously supposed to gloss over the wounded duck he put right into Kam Chancellor's numbers? How about the fact that it took until the second quarter for the best offense in the league to move the chains? Or that they were shut out for the game's first 44-plus minutes? On the Malcolm Smith pick-six, his arm was struck as he was throwing, but did you see the replay? Who the hell was he planning on throwing to? Each receiver had a Seahawk blanketed all over him. How about the 4th and 2 late in the first half, when he ignores a wide-open Julius Thomas over the middle to instead lob one in the area of three Seahawks and one Broncos receiver? What was supposed to come from that? Hell, Manning should consider himself lucky he walked away with only two interceptions, because there was another dying quail that he threw in the third quarter that Richard Sherman almost grabbed. Peyton Manning put up an all-time stinker in the game that was supposed to define him. I don't care about the garbage-time yards or the hollow completions record. He walked onto the field at MetLife Stadium and laid an egg, and there's absolutely no denying it. Jeff Garcia on NFLN just said that it wasn't a matter of Peyton letting the team down or the team letting Manning down, but they all let each other down, and I couldn't agree more. He said that when it came time nobody could step up for one another, and Peyton didn't make the throws he's fully capable of making. As I said last night, I do think we'll go back to the Super Bowl next year, but this team has some serious retooling to do if they want to bring the Lombardi back to Colorado. This team needs to focus heavily on defense, and they need to get depth at the important positions; when one guy goes down they can't plug in some nobody and hope it works. That's not what's going to win Super Bowls, especially against physical teams like Seattle. I agree with whoever it was that said we don't need rebuilding, but retooling. We'll get it done because we're on the right track, but they've got a ways to go. Hopefully getting bitch slapped by a superior team on a national stage was a hell of a wake up call for this team.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 11:02:55 GMT -5
He's one of the greatest of all time. 'Peyton can't win the big game' He's already won 1 NFL championship, and 3 AFC championships, they don't count as 'big games'? If you cherry pick results like that, you can make anyone look great or bad. 'Tom Brady is the best Quarterback ever, he won 3 championships!' vs 'Tom Brady isn't that great, he hasn't won a championship in nearly 10 years, he choked TWICE in the Superbowl (against average looking Giants teams!) in that time... are we sure it wasn't just the rest of the team that got him those wins?' The truth is somewhere in between. Well, what gets me is when people talk about Peyton's ring. Last night I heard Rich Eisen say that Peyton Manning has only has 1 ring. I think when people talk about Peyton, the underestimate how hard it is to not only get to the Super Bowl, but win it, as well. Hell, Marino doesn't have any, but he's considered one of the greatest (and rightfully so), so I'm not sure why Manning is given so much shit for "only" having one. It'd be like saying, "well, Montana only has 4 rings; why doesn't he have 7?" When it's all said and done he'll be considered one of the greatest, and based off the way he plays the game with all the stats he has, I think he should be considered the greatest. If he needs one more ring for the media to consider him so than so be it, but Super Bowl wins are team wins; unless they put Peyton out there to do it all himself, he needs the guys around him to help him get a ring. With what he did in resurrecting Indy and how he was able to come back from his injury to put up the numbers he did, in my eyes, he's the greatest.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 0:42:29 GMT -5
How about the halftime show, eh?
Bruno's a hell of an entertainer, and RHCP are never not entertaining.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 0:21:15 GMT -5
I will say that it was cool to see the Broncos go to the Super Bowl. As I said, the times we went in the late 90's I was 5 and 6 and couldn't have cared less about football, so it was awesome to see them get there while I care about football.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 0:17:04 GMT -5
Early Super Bowl prediction
Denver Broncos vs. Arizona Cardinals
f*** if I know, but that's what's sounding good right now.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2014 0:09:20 GMT -5
These Seahawks may be the most despised SB champ since the 2000 Ravens. So annoyingly brash, but they never failed to walk the walk. I don't know if I'd say the 'Hawks are despised, but surely last year's Ravens beat 2000's Ravens, right? What with their "pay attention to me" QB and their star, murdering thug player, I'd say the Ravens were well despised. Or maybe that's just me because they knocked the Broncos out, but the Ravens as a whole are pretty damn unlikeable.
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Post by Orange on Feb 2, 2014 23:47:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I do think we go back next year. I really, honestly believe that we will.
Whether we win or not is a different story, but this team is at least walking down the right path. There's always a fork in that path, but we're moving in the right direction. Let Moreno and Decker walk, restructure Bailey's contract, re-sign DRC and go hard on defense.
That's all I got.
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