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Post by uewfigfed on May 10, 2024 15:55:20 GMT -5
My brothers this guy lol. Swears up and down that AEW doesn’t have a narrative (his biggest argument), they have no real stars (though Edge, Christian, Mox,Danielson, Okada and Ospreay are all there) and such, but it’s more he’s a hardcore wwe drone than a racket man cult affiliate. We’re at the point he doesn’t even WANT to discuss AEW, but will want to speculate and armchair book for hours bout WWE. But the worst part is, is that when I do convince him to watch matches of note, the credit ALWAYS comes begrudgingly. I just got over it at this point, and have flat out stopped watching WWE until a clip catches my eyes, cuz I’m here to see this company BUILD. And that’s gonna take time, and in this age, a lot of talk from the other side.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2024 15:58:42 GMT -5
I don't really know people like this in real life, thankfully, but even online the part that's really grating above all else is when a person is just being dishonest about what they really like in pro wrestling, because they need to phrase what they like and dislike in the context of "how can I make my preferred promotion look good and the one I choose to hate on look bad?" Like, the classic one from a lot of WWE fans has been the "it's all highspots!" complaints that have historically been thrown at seemingly every indie promotion, AEW, TNA, and even many puro companies when, if anything, most of these promotions, with some exceptions, engage in a lot more psychological in-ring storytelling than WWE typically does; hell, if anything I'd argue WWE is just as and sometimes even more guilty of things like "finisher spam" and "kickout fests" in their big match formula. Same with the "story" stuff; "there's no story", but that's perfectly fine when it happens in THIS promotion (e.g. not really having Cody or Roman evolve as characters at all through 2023, calling something like Rhea vs. Charlotte an all time match when it had minimal story to it), but not ok when I see it in THAT promotion (Danielson vs. Ospreay was most recent for this in AEW), that sort of thing. You'll get the visa versa on that, I'm sure; some AEW diehards would support MJF doing long in-ring promo segments in 2023 while decrying WWE doing the same, for example, but there isn't a cottage industry in online shows and clickbait aggregators built around that the way there is around "let's drive rage clicks about AEW", so it doesn't dominate online or, apparently, real life conversations about this stuff the way it does going the other way. Not me saying WWE is bad at all, mind; it's not my thing, but they do a hell of a job presenting most of their top talent (though I feel like their WM build this year shortchanged a *lot* of their current standard bearers) as big deals, they do "big time presentation" very well, and by committing to Cody this year they gave their audience that always necessary "if you follow this guy and support him, you WILL see him break through to the next level" reassurance that they spent so many years denying audiences under Vince. I find their stuff pretty dull, but even my antipathy towards the product doesn't blind me to the fact they've had real improvement since McMahon was finally shunted aside. But that's not what most of the conversation ends up being, is it? Because the money and algorithm metrics aren't in fans of each company really discussing in-depth the pros and cons of their respective approaches and why some find more appeal in one than the other, it's in kneejerk reactions and basically deciding one show can do no wrong while the other can't do anything right, even if both shows are doing similar things at the same time. It just sucks to see so much conversation about something so many of us are passionate about warped to suit what clickbait formulas want us to base it around. I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
Dude, I dunno, that sounds like a sad way to go through things; Kenny's really as good as advertised, and you can't know if something's for you unless you actually watch, you know? I know what you mean about people doing stuff like that about movies or whatever, but why let that become something that stops you from enjoying something? For what it's worth, I put the guy on another level compared just about anyone else out there save a very small amount of wrestlers, and it's honestly only partly because he's a freak athlete who can perform moves in the ring like few others can, it's more how good of an in-ring storyteller he is and how much he can hook a crowd through his background story arcs and his character beats in the ring. Like, someone like AJ Styles is excellent, but I've always felt Kenny has him beat on that level. I know I'm just doing what you say you don't want to hear, but I just figure if I lived like that I might never have watched The Big Lebowski or something, and that's one of my top ten favorite movies. Basically, just doesn't seem worth it to me to let spite keep you from watching top level performances in any field.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on May 10, 2024 17:10:55 GMT -5
Most of the people I know IRL who talk wrestling are marks. And I just go into troll mode when one of them starts bashing AEW or starts simping for WWE. "You know wrestling's fake, right? I don't care if Roman Reigns is whatever they're calling the World Champion these days, he's boring, he can't wrestle, he works three times a year. If he wasn't related to The Rock and if Vince McMahon didn't have a gay crush on him, he would've never made it out of developmental. Mentioning Roman Reigns at all is literally one of the best anti-WWE arguments you could possibly make."
(It doesn't hurt that my opinion of Roman Reigns is extremely, extremely low - like the difference between my real opinion of him and my troll opinion of him is down to semantics.)
If they're a pure mark, another one that works is "You know Cody Rhodes was Stardust before AEW formed, right? The only reason Cody ever got good in the first place was that he left WWE. He learned how to actually wrestle, and once he was good enough to be a midcarder in a real wrestling promotion he was good enough to be the top guy in WWE."
A third good one is "Braun Strowman is so terrible that when he got fired from WWE the first time literally nobody else even wanted him."
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Post by stan1337 on May 10, 2024 17:16:42 GMT -5
Most of the people I know IRL who talk wrestling are marks. And I just go into troll mode when one of them starts bashing AEW or starts simping for WWE. "You know wrestling's fake, right? I don't care if Roman Reigns is whatever they're calling the World Champion these days, he's boring, he can't wrestle, he works three times a year. If he wasn't related to The Rock and if Vince McMahon didn't have a gay crush on him, he would've never made it out of developmental. Mentioning Roman Reigns at all is literally one of the best anti-WWE arguments you could possibly make." (It doesn't hurt that my opinion of Roman Reigns is extremely, extremely low - like the difference between my real opinion of him and my troll opinion of him is down to semantics.) If they're a pure mark, another one that works is "You know Cody Rhodes was Stardust before AEW formed, right? The only reason Cody ever got good in the first place was that he left WWE. He learned how to actually wrestle, and once he was good enough to be a midcarder in a real wrestling promotion he was good enough to be the top guy in WWE." A third good one is "Braun Strowman is so terrible that when he got fired from WWE the first time literally nobody else even wanted him." Haha I like that a lot. I am a highly empathetic humanist but I also have no problem giving folks back what they put out. Going high when folks go low does not work, as evidenced by the state of the world.
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Post by Mike Strike on May 10, 2024 17:49:47 GMT -5
I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
This is some weird stubborn cry baby logic. Go watch a damn match and THEN make up your mind.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2024 17:53:36 GMT -5
I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
Not even watching a dude's matches to see if you don't like him, just... not liking him on sheer principle, is a very odd choice. One you're free to make, but one that doesn't make much sense. "People hyped him up too much so he might disappoint me" is like... as some others have said, very sad. Just like... watch, be disappointed if you're going to be, but actively hating a guy because people like him and praise his stuff without even watching any of it is just... extremely odd, to say the least man.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2024 18:22:31 GMT -5
I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
This is some weird stubborn cry baby logic. Go watch a damn match and THEN make up your mind. Can we f***ing chill, guys? Address other posters politely, this isn't that hard.
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Post by Mecca on May 10, 2024 19:10:20 GMT -5
I don't really know people like this in real life, thankfully, but even online the part that's really grating above all else is when a person is just being dishonest about what they really like in pro wrestling, because they need to phrase what they like and dislike in the context of "how can I make my preferred promotion look good and the one I choose to hate on look bad?" Like, the classic one from a lot of WWE fans has been the "it's all highspots!" complaints that have historically been thrown at seemingly every indie promotion, AEW, TNA, and even many puro companies when, if anything, most of these promotions, with some exceptions, engage in a lot more psychological in-ring storytelling than WWE typically does; hell, if anything I'd argue WWE is just as and sometimes even more guilty of things like "finisher spam" and "kickout fests" in their big match formula. Same with the "story" stuff; "there's no story", but that's perfectly fine when it happens in THIS promotion (e.g. not really having Cody or Roman evolve as characters at all through 2023, calling something like Rhea vs. Charlotte an all time match when it had minimal story to it), but not ok when I see it in THAT promotion (Danielson vs. Ospreay was most recent for this in AEW), that sort of thing. You'll get the visa versa on that, I'm sure; some AEW diehards would support MJF doing long in-ring promo segments in 2023 while decrying WWE doing the same, for example, but there isn't a cottage industry in online shows and clickbait aggregators built around that the way there is around "let's drive rage clicks about AEW", so it doesn't dominate online or, apparently, real life conversations about this stuff the way it does going the other way. Not me saying WWE is bad at all, mind; it's not my thing, but they do a hell of a job presenting most of their top talent (though I feel like their WM build this year shortchanged a *lot* of their current standard bearers) as big deals, they do "big time presentation" very well, and by committing to Cody this year they gave their audience that always necessary "if you follow this guy and support him, you WILL see him break through to the next level" reassurance that they spent so many years denying audiences under Vince. I find their stuff pretty dull, but even my antipathy towards the product doesn't blind me to the fact they've had real improvement since McMahon was finally shunted aside. But that's not what most of the conversation ends up being, is it? Because the money and algorithm metrics aren't in fans of each company really discussing in-depth the pros and cons of their respective approaches and why some find more appeal in one than the other, it's in kneejerk reactions and basically deciding one show can do no wrong while the other can't do anything right, even if both shows are doing similar things at the same time. It just sucks to see so much conversation about something so many of us are passionate about warped to suit what clickbait formulas want us to base it around. I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
Dude, I dunno, that sounds like a sad way to go through things; Kenny's really as good as advertised, and you can't know if something's for you unless you actually watch, you know? I know what you mean about people doing stuff like that about movies or whatever, but why let that become something that stops you from enjoying something? For what it's worth, I put the guy on another level compared just about anyone else out there save a very small amount of wrestlers, and it's honestly only partly because he's a freak athlete who can perform moves in the ring like few others can, it's honestly more how good of an in-ring storyteller he is and how much he can hook a crowd through his background story arcs and his character beats in the ring. Like, someone like AJ Styles is excellent, but I've always felt Kenny has him beat on that level. I know I'm just doing what you say you don't want to hear, but I just figure if I lived like that I might never have watched The Big Lebowski or something, and that's one of my top ten favorite movies. Basically, just doesn't seem worth it to me to let spite keep you from watching top level performances in any field. Yea well...That's just like your opinion man.
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Post by Mecca on May 10, 2024 19:20:07 GMT -5
Most of the people I know IRL who talk wrestling are marks. And I just go into troll mode when one of them starts bashing AEW or starts simping for WWE. "You know wrestling's fake, right? I don't care if Roman Reigns is whatever they're calling the World Champion these days, he's boring, he can't wrestle, he works three times a year. If he wasn't related to The Rock and if Vince McMahon didn't have a gay crush on him, he would've never made it out of developmental. Mentioning Roman Reigns at all is literally one of the best anti-WWE arguments you could possibly make." (It doesn't hurt that my opinion of Roman Reigns is extremely, extremely low - like the difference between my real opinion of him and my troll opinion of him is down to semantics.) If they're a pure mark, another one that works is "You know Cody Rhodes was Stardust before AEW formed, right? The only reason Cody ever got good in the first place was that he left WWE. He learned how to actually wrestle, and once he was good enough to be a midcarder in a real wrestling promotion he was good enough to be the top guy in WWE." A third good one is "Braun Strowman is so terrible that when he got fired from WWE the first time literally nobody else even wanted him." Dude I'd have probably made him cry...he has a Cody Rhodes logo sticker on his damn phone.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 10, 2024 19:38:58 GMT -5
Dude, I dunno, that sounds like a sad way to go through things; Kenny's really as good as advertised, and you can't know if something's for you unless you actually watch, you know? I know what you mean about people doing stuff like that about movies or whatever, but why let that become something that stops you from enjoying something? For what it's worth, I put the guy on another level compared just about anyone else out there save a very small amount of wrestlers, and it's honestly only partly because he's a freak athlete who can perform moves in the ring like few others can, it's honestly more how good of an in-ring storyteller he is and how much he can hook a crowd through his background story arcs and his character beats in the ring. Like, someone like AJ Styles is excellent, but I've always felt Kenny has him beat on that level. I know I'm just doing what you say you don't want to hear, but I just figure if I lived like that I might never have watched The Big Lebowski or something, and that's one of my top ten favorite movies. Basically, just doesn't seem worth it to me to let spite keep you from watching top level performances in any field. Kenny's a guy I didn't really "get" in New Japan, I wasn't big into the whole "anime villain" cadence of his promos, and the contrarian in me kinda clashed up against the levels of hype he got. But the dude has genuinely won me over in AEW. I went from someone who understood how good he was, but he wasn't for me, to a genuine fan of his, and there aren't a whole lot of wrestlers out there who have done that.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2024 20:11:04 GMT -5
I don't really know people like this in real life, thankfully, but even online the part that's really grating above all else is when a person is just being dishonest about what they really like in pro wrestling, because they need to phrase what they like and dislike in the context of "how can I make my preferred promotion look good and the one I choose to hate on look bad?" Like, the classic one from a lot of WWE fans has been the "it's all highspots!" complaints that have historically been thrown at seemingly every indie promotion, AEW, TNA, and even many puro companies when, if anything, most of these promotions, with some exceptions, engage in a lot more psychological in-ring storytelling than WWE typically does; hell, if anything I'd argue WWE is just as and sometimes even more guilty of things like "finisher spam" and "kickout fests" in their big match formula. Same with the "story" stuff; "there's no story", but that's perfectly fine when it happens in THIS promotion (e.g. not really having Cody or Roman evolve as characters at all through 2023, calling something like Rhea vs. Charlotte an all time match when it had minimal story to it), but not ok when I see it in THAT promotion (Danielson vs. Ospreay was most recent for this in AEW), that sort of thing. You'll get the visa versa on that, I'm sure; some AEW diehards would support MJF doing long in-ring promo segments in 2023 while decrying WWE doing the same, for example, but there isn't a cottage industry in online shows and clickbait aggregators built around that the way there is around "let's drive rage clicks about AEW", so it doesn't dominate online or, apparently, real life conversations about this stuff the way it does going the other way. Not me saying WWE is bad at all, mind; it's not my thing, but they do a hell of a job presenting most of their top talent (though I feel like their WM build this year shortchanged a *lot* of their current standard bearers) as big deals, they do "big time presentation" very well, and by committing to Cody this year they gave their audience that always necessary "if you follow this guy and support him, you WILL see him break through to the next level" reassurance that they spent so many years denying audiences under Vince. I find their stuff pretty dull, but even my antipathy towards the product doesn't blind me to the fact they've had real improvement since McMahon was finally shunted aside. But that's not what most of the conversation ends up being, is it? Because the money and algorithm metrics aren't in fans of each company really discussing in-depth the pros and cons of their respective approaches and why some find more appeal in one than the other, it's in kneejerk reactions and basically deciding one show can do no wrong while the other can't do anything right, even if both shows are doing similar things at the same time. It just sucks to see so much conversation about something so many of us are passionate about warped to suit what clickbait formulas want us to base it around. Dude, I dunno, that sounds like a sad way to go through things; Kenny's really as good as advertised, and you can't know if something's for you unless you actually watch, you know? I know what you mean about people doing stuff like that about movies or whatever, but why let that become something that stops you from enjoying something? For what it's worth, I put the guy on another level compared just about anyone else out there save a very small amount of wrestlers, and it's honestly only partly because he's a freak athlete who can perform moves in the ring like few others can, it's honestly more how good of an in-ring storyteller he is and how much he can hook a crowd through his background story arcs and his character beats in the ring. Like, someone like AJ Styles is excellent, but I've always felt Kenny has him beat on that level. I know I'm just doing what you say you don't want to hear, but I just figure if I lived like that I might never have watched The Big Lebowski or something, and that's one of my top ten favorite movies. Basically, just doesn't seem worth it to me to let spite keep you from watching top level performances in any field. Yea well...That's just like your opinion man.
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Post by cosmo on May 10, 2024 20:11:44 GMT -5
I personally have absolutely no desire to ever watch Kenny Omega wrestle. I don't care how good he is, I don't care how many stars Dave Meltzer gives him. I just plain couldn't give less of a shit about Kenny Omega.
Have you ever been in one of those situations where people keep telling you over and over and over and over and over and over about how great something is? Whether it's a movie, a TV show, a musician, or whatever, there's people that'll beat you over the head with something that they proclaim as being the greatest thing that has ever existed and you hear it enough that you want absolutely nothing to do with it because you're f***ing sick of hearing about it. That's me with Kenny Omega. I hear so many stories about people hyping him up so much that he sounds like God Himself became a pro wrestler. And because of that, I actively avoiding watching even highlights of his matches because for good or for bad, I'd be disappointed no matter what since my aversion to the hype has already made my mind up for me.
That said, if you like Kenny, great. I'm glad you have a wrestler you enjoy watching, and I'm not gonna shit on your good time. Kenny's just not for me.
Not even watching a dude's matches to see if you don't like him, just... not liking him on sheer principle, is a very odd choice. One you're free to make, but one that doesn't make much sense. "People hyped him up too much so he might disappoint me" is like... as some others have said, very sad. Just like... watch, be disappointed if you're going to be, but actively hating a guy because people like him and praise his stuff without even watching any of it is just... extremely odd, to say the least man. i don’t actively hate Kenny, far from it. I’d describe the feeling like if Kenny were the wrestling version of Taylor Swift. Taylor and Kenny are both talented performers at the top of their craft, but being beaten over the head with how great they are is exhausting for me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2024 20:13:22 GMT -5
Not even watching a dude's matches to see if you don't like him, just... not liking him on sheer principle, is a very odd choice. One you're free to make, but one that doesn't make much sense. "People hyped him up too much so he might disappoint me" is like... as some others have said, very sad. Just like... watch, be disappointed if you're going to be, but actively hating a guy because people like him and praise his stuff without even watching any of it is just... extremely odd, to say the least man. i don’t actively hate Kenny, far from it. I’d describe the feeling like if Kenny were the wrestling version of Taylor Swift. Taylor and Kenny are both talented performers at the top of their craft, but being over the head with how great they are is exhausting for me. Yeah but like... my advice would just be to watch some of his best matches and see for yourself Not doing it out of principal just seems like you're losing out big time. Like, in the end, wouldn't you want to KNOW you either like or don't like someone? Taylor Swift is pretty easy since you can hear her music everywhere, but actively avoiding even seeing anything Kenny does is counter productive to forming a real opinion on it all.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 10, 2024 20:47:30 GMT -5
Not even watching a dude's matches to see if you don't like him, just... not liking him on sheer principle, is a very odd choice. One you're free to make, but one that doesn't make much sense. "People hyped him up too much so he might disappoint me" is like... as some others have said, very sad. Just like... watch, be disappointed if you're going to be, but actively hating a guy because people like him and praise his stuff without even watching any of it is just... extremely odd, to say the least man. i don’t actively hate Kenny, far from it. I’d describe the feeling like if Kenny were the wrestling version of Taylor Swift. Taylor and Kenny are both talented performers at the top of their craft, but being beaten over the head with how great they are is exhausting for me. Tbh I get what you’re saying. I think it’s sort of like.. is X person really this good or do a lot of people like them just because a lot of people like them. I’m the same way about music sometimes, although I’m totally willing to admit it’s a pretty close-minded way to see things and it’s not very rational either. But nobody is perfect. My only qualm when it comes to the perception of WWE vs. whatever company is that whoever is opposing WWE is generally looked at as like, “lower” than them because they don’t have the same budget or grandiose production. I get that’s sort of an accurate statement but to circle it back to the above statement, it’s like thinking that just because an artist doesn’t have a song on the radio, they aren’t “good” or because they don’t play in stadiums they must not be good because thousands and thousands of people aren’t there to see it.
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Post by Cyno on May 10, 2024 20:49:43 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a lot of overhype about Kenny Omega. But IMO he lives up to it. It's like how everyone and their mother was hyping up Bryan Danielson in the early-mid 00's as the greatest wrestler of all time, and I was like "there's no way one guy can be that good, can he?" Then I saw one of his ROH matches against McGuinness and I was like "Oh wow, he totally is."
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 10, 2024 20:56:17 GMT -5
See, I used to be the kind of person who hated when things were overhyped. I know it's a touchy subject now because of the creator, but Harry Potter was that to me. Always thought it was for children and felt it was weird everyone in school was hyping it so much. Finally just popped the first movie in and was hooked. Really just takes facing that annoyance and trying out the thing you're anooyed about. Sometimes it won't live up to the hype, Avatar (not Last Air Bender) was that for me. Finally watched it and hated it but least I can say I watched it and made up my own mind.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 10, 2024 21:23:15 GMT -5
See, I used to be the kind of person who hated when things were overhyped. I know it's a touchy subject now because of the creator, but Harry Potter was that to me. Always thought it was for children and felt it was weird everyone in school was hyping it so much. Finally just popped the first movie in and was hooked. Really just takes facing that annoyance and trying out the thing you're anooyed about. Sometimes it won't live up to the hype, Avatar (not Last Air Bender) was that for me. Finally watched it and hated it but least I can say I watched it and made up my own mind. A lot of the time, all it really takes is an opportunity to experience something outside of the context that created all the hype.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on May 10, 2024 21:32:52 GMT -5
I relate to that thing about Harry Potter because when it started getting super popular, I was determined to completely ignore it and never learn a single thing about it, I wanted to be completely ignorant of it because it just looked so lame at a glance and I was a totally badass and cool teenager and it looked like kiddie garbage and I was above something so lame and dweeby and babyish and etc etc etc.
Then one summer, I was at a relative's house for a family reunion and there were people everywhere and the house was noisy and I was having severe social burnout. And the first three Harry Potter books had all been floating around and getting in the way and annoying me by existing, but I was so tired of people and noise I decided "what the heck" and picked up the first book and hid in the guest bedroom upstairs and ended up reading it cover to cover in one sitting. Then I read the second book cover to cover, and the next morning after breakfast I read the third one.
I borrowed #4 from the library and actually bought 5 and 6. Eventually I ended up going to the bookstore at the special midnight opening to buy book 7 on the day of release, and then read it from cover to cover the second I got it home.
(Never watched the movies though)
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Post by Urn Anderson on May 11, 2024 12:57:55 GMT -5
I went to the Dynamite where they showed the Punk footage, and pretty much everyone I encountered was what the OP described. I’ve never been in a crowd where so many people were paying to come hate a thing. CM Punk and “Cornette face” shirts everywhere.
The guys in front of me were just insufferable, yelling every Cornette/anti-AEW talking point I’ve ever heard. They cheered FTR, and that was the only thing they didn’t relentlessly mock. My seats were $120; I can’t even fathom paying over $100 to boo something I don’t like.
It may have been petty, but I made sure to chant “A-E-dub,” “Thank you Tony” and “E-V-Ps” every chance I got. Made it very clear I was enjoying everything. Dudes all stood there just seething like someone shat in their Cheerios.
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Post by wgdj on May 12, 2024 4:16:32 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this so I figure here is likely the best place. A guy I work with likes wrestling and discovered that I do as well..that's fine, no issue with that. For some backstory dude is like 22...seems to be a massive fan etc, all fine no issues. He starts talking to me about wrestling...proceeds to start making a bunch of AEW jokes, telling me AEW fans don't shower..then tells me Jim Cornette is brilliant and his views on modern wrestling are spot on. Makes more jokes about AEW and empty arena's..tells me Tony Khan is a terrible person to work for. So at this point I'm thinking this dude is like every shitposter on twitter come to life.. So I say that's all fine and dandy but I watch wrestling for matches and bell to bell AEW is a better promotion...he argues in the absolute worst way possible in my view...he tells me the AEW guys are bad workers, Kenny Omega isn't a good worker, Ospreay isn't either they are "athletic" but they are just doing moves. Proceeds to tell me that the WWE restrictive style is the right way to do wrestling and then goes into a good 5 minute diatribe about how they "tell stories" where AEW guys just do moves. Dude then has no concept of what a fighting spirit spot is, calls Ospreay an idiot because "he wants to work in front of 5 people" then tells me he hasn't seen Omega/Ospreay or Danielson/Ospreay...but there's no way those matches could top Cody and Reigns because it "made me feel like a kid" and goes "those AEW matches don't have the Rock or Undertaker" At this point I just walked away because I was like bro is this a real person? I could really careless if someone thinks WWE is great, that's your deal but to be like Omega sucks he just does moves, and the telling stories diatribe, I hate that one MORE THAN ANYTHING. The WWE has been spinning that we tell stories bullshit for 20 years to cover for crappy matches. I have been watching wrestling since the early '90s and have no idea what a "fighting spirit spot" is. Is it like "Hulking up"?
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