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Post by czwvsroh on May 16, 2024 20:53:30 GMT -5
This guy isn't my alt account I swear guys haha. I'm a longtime lurker here. I post on Reddit too. I think the narrative around aew, is a clear case of a near monopoly trying to eliminate it's nearest competitor.
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Post by khali on May 16, 2024 21:15:01 GMT -5
It’s true, tribalism didn’t even exist until AEW fans made it up. Quite shameful and awful of them to do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 16, 2024 21:20:07 GMT -5
It’s true, tribalism didn’t even exist until AEW fans made it up. Quite shameful and awful of them to do. It was me, I invented it upon my first post in this AEW Board I apologize everyone, really was my bad
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Post by stan1337 on May 16, 2024 21:59:54 GMT -5
Tribalism in wrestling is what occurs when people imply that one has to choose between professional wrestling companies as if they were political parties or something. As just one example, something like opening a post by specifically accusing only "diehard AEW fans in defense of anybody who criticizes the product" of doing something that is very clearly done by the most fervent of fans of both major companies. Lmao right? This post starts like "What is tribalism and why do AEW fans piss the bed like little bitches?" I am sure I will get in trouble if I shit on OP (as much as they deserve it) so I am just going to concur with your post and the one that followed it.
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Post by khali on May 16, 2024 22:09:36 GMT -5
Tribalism in wrestling is what occurs when people imply that one has to choose between professional wrestling companies as if they were political parties or something. As just one example, something like opening a post by specifically accusing only "diehard AEW fans in defense of anybody who criticizes the product" of doing something that is very clearly done by the most fervent of fans of both major companies. Lmao right? This post starts like "What is tribalism and why do AEW fans piss the bed like little bitches?" I am sure I will get in trouble if I shit on OP (as much as they deserve it) so I am just going to concur with your post and the one that followed it. Tbh I only read the first sentence of the OP and just stopped lol. It was funny, though.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 16, 2024 22:10:34 GMT -5
This Gareth fella was the guy who couldn’t stop tweeting about how awful Jade Cargill was when she was in AEW, but as soon as she signed with WWE he tweeted “Welcome to the team” from what I remember. That Gareth fella is a terrible person all around and a bigot too Real talk I'm actually kind of stunned Gareth so quickly turned on Vince and cheered his firing, not because he's the cartoon strawman of a fanboy, but because of how f***in' rancid he comes off as a human being.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 16, 2024 22:25:20 GMT -5
That Gareth fella is a terrible person all around and a bigot too Real talk I'm actually kind of stunned Gareth so quickly turned on Vince and cheered his firing, not because he's the cartoon strawman of a fanboy, but because of how f***in' rancid he comes off as a human being. If you told me Gareth and Jobber were the same person I wouldn't even blink, all of these troll accounts do the exact same shit and talk and interact with people the EXACT same way
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Post by Dub H on May 16, 2024 22:30:25 GMT -5
A míserable like of secrets, but enough talking ,have it at you
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Post by polarbearpete on May 16, 2024 23:33:25 GMT -5
Not sure he said that, but if he did it would be based on what he’d been hearing. I’m not sure how that’s an example of tribalism, though. The talk that wbd were going to dump aew for WWE wasn't tribal?! Seem like a lot of fans were praying for it. Meltzer saying it (if he did) wasn’t tribal, it would be him reporting on it.
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Post by Cyno on May 17, 2024 0:26:13 GMT -5
That Gareth fella is a terrible person all around and a bigot too Real talk I'm actually kind of stunned Gareth so quickly turned on Vince and cheered his firing, not because he's the cartoon strawman of a fanboy, but because of how f***in' rancid he comes off as a human being. Like, as annoying as some of the bigger AEW superfans on Twitter are, I don't think any of them are as vile a piece of human feces as Gareth is. That said, if Vince managed to worm his way back into WWE, I can just as easily see Gareth being among the first to roll out the red carpet of ass-kissing.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 17, 2024 0:46:15 GMT -5
Tribalism was invented by Tony Khan, as evidenced by the classic marketing slogan, "Genesis does some things Nintendon't but also there is some overlap in capabilities and Nintendo also does thing Sega can't so really everyone's a winner."
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Post by Kalmia on May 17, 2024 3:54:00 GMT -5
Actually, I think wrestling tribalism is some of Randy Orton's tattoos.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 17, 2024 6:01:25 GMT -5
Of course it exists: you're living in a time where a lot of people attach their very sense of identity to corporate brands they consume or patronize, which often leads to people reacting very badly to critiques of their chosen brand. I say this as someone who owns far, far too many baseball hats and baseball and hockey jerseys, but people are weird as hell about a lot of this stuff. I said this in another thread, but my biggest complaint in issues like this is inconsistency, because to me a big part of current wrestling "tribalism" is a constant drumbeat about what you say the promotion you dislike is doing wrong, followed by praising your promotion of choice for doing something similar because, well, it happened in your promotion of choice rather than with the other guys. Like, the whole "this match is HEATLESS, where's the STORY?!" meme falls flat to me when the same people parroting it will gladly praise a random "banger" in their promotion of choice, for example. The other really negative part is people who aren't in discussion spaces to actually have, y'know, discussions about things that involve details, nuance, or just hearing or learning things that might broaden your understanding of certain issues. It's the type who will ignore storytelling happening in any context that isn't the kind they're used to in wrestling, who don't bother to listen to people with better understandings than them how TV ratings work, mostly because they need that ignorance to hold onto their preexisting biases that...I don't know, somehow make them think their lives are better for it? I have no idea how minds like that work. Tribalism in wrestling is what occurs when people imply that one has to choose between professional wrestling companies as if they were political parties or something. As just one example, something like opening a post by specifically accusing only "diehard AEW fans in defense of anybody who criticizes the product" of doing something that is very clearly done by the most fervent of fans of both major companies. Lmao right? This post starts like "What is tribalism and why do AEW fans piss the bed like little bitches?" I am sure I will get in trouble if I shit on OP (as much as they deserve it) so I am just going to concur with your post and the one that followed it. If you think you're gonna get in trouble for something, then just think before you write. If an OP makes a thread that people feel isn't done with the best of intentions, trust me, people will let them know, and nobody will have to "shit on" anybody else.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 17, 2024 6:43:39 GMT -5
The "you're not allowed to criticize AEW" stuff comes from the fact for years we've shit on WWE, and people didn't jump on you. For years we did more than shit on TNA and were rooting for them to fold, and nobody jumped on you for it, hell the people that did got made fun of. Both companies were torn apart, and that was fine. But when it comes to AEW, too many people with criticism get jumped on for it, or get told to just enjoy wrestling.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 17, 2024 7:16:58 GMT -5
The "you're not allowed to criticize AEW" stuff comes from the fact for years we've shit on WWE, and people didn't jump on you. For years we did more than shit on TNA and were rooting for them to fold, and nobody jumped on you for it, hell the people that did got made fun of. Both companies were torn apart, and that was fine. But when it comes to AEW, too many people with criticism get jumped on for it, or get told to just enjoy wrestling. There's nothing being done to AEW right now, be it the doomer clickbait-y reports and YouTube videos, the ratings discourse, the photos of tarped-off/empty crowd sections, that wasn't being done to WWE for most of the last 20 years. In fact, the ratings discourse I feel has actually IMPROVED slightly because we actually do acknowledge things like the demo rankings and whatnot. We never used to do that for WWE ratings threads, it was total audience and that was it. I suppose the difference is that for the majority of that time, the WWE product WAS bad and you had both the most vocal people being critical of it and not many people defending it. The AEW product, something that I always say that I'm not in much of a position to judge fairly because I don't watch a lot of it, reads like a perfectly competent wrestling show, so I get why there'd be people more in-tune with it defending its merits more vocally.
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Post by eJm on May 17, 2024 7:17:23 GMT -5
The "you're not allowed to criticize AEW" stuff comes from the fact for years we've shit on WWE, and people didn't jump on you. For years we did more than shit on TNA and were rooting for them to fold, and nobody jumped on you for it, hell the people that did got made fun of. Both companies were torn apart, and that was fine. But when it comes to AEW, too many people with criticism get jumped on for it, or get told to just enjoy wrestling. With all due respect, I’ve been on this place long enough to know that none of what you said is true. Especially the TNA section stuff because that place was conflict Centre near the end of its run.
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Post by eJm on May 17, 2024 7:20:49 GMT -5
I suppose the difference is that for the majority of that time, the WWE product WAS bad and you had both the most vocal people being critical of it and not many people defending it. The AEW product, something that I always say that I'm not in much of a position to judge fairly because I don't watch a lot of it, reads like a perfectly competent wrestling show, so I get why there'd be people more in-tune with it defending its merits more vocally. Also for this forum in particular, most people weren’t talking about the indies like ROH or CZW, Lucha Underground came and went and TNA was a lot of the time what people think the AEW section was. If you weren’t watching WWE, you weren’t watching pro wrestling for the most part. If you were dedicated, you were involved in CHIKARA’s rise and the eventual rise and dramatic fall of BritWres but if all you had accessible was what WWE was doing from the mid 00s to 2017 or so, that was it. And then New Japan got hot and booked Jericho/Omega, All In became a thing and the rest is history.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 17, 2024 7:34:45 GMT -5
Tribalism in wrestling is what occurs when people imply that one has to choose between professional wrestling companies as if they were political parties or something. When Vince was in charge, WWE almost literally WAS one. And they still haven't done a whole lot to shake that perception.
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Post by KME on May 17, 2024 7:45:19 GMT -5
The "you're not allowed to criticize AEW" stuff comes from the fact for years we've shit on WWE, and people didn't jump on you. For years we did more than shit on TNA and were rooting for them to fold, and nobody jumped on you for it, hell the people that did got made fun of. Both companies were torn apart, and that was fine. But when it comes to AEW, too many people with criticism get jumped on for it, or get told to just enjoy wrestling. I mean, that might not be an entirely unfair point, the part about rooting for TNA to fold aside because that's really shit, but those companies were delivering legitimately terrible products, WWE were actively misery booking for decades and telling people "we don't care if you like it or not, you don't like what you think you like!". TNA just became a joke, despite being a really fun product for a while, almost everyone who worked there has ended up dismissing it based on their experience at a certain point. It's a bit different when AEW are putting on acclaimed shows, their last 2 PPV's seem to be considered among the very best of all time, and demonstrably make an effort to cater to wrestling fans and go out of their way to give them things they enjoy and people are going "hurr durr it's sooo bad now!". People say "just enjoy wrestling" because mainstream wrestling is actually good now, when it had been horrendous for f***ing ages, why would you want people still being equally negative when there's infinitely less to be negative about? Vince is gone from WWE, they don't treat their fans like morons anymore and the in ring is much better, while AEW is far better than TNA ever was as a competitor in terms of matches, roster, weekly shows, PPV's, whatever. We get far, far less stupid shit on TV and the match quality is at probably the highest point it's been in the history of wrestling. AEW has one of the strongest rosters ever assembled, WWE's is also legitimately fantastic. Positivity should be up across the board, instead it feels like the opposite, even the positivity about WWE has just become a roundabout way for people to spit venom at their competition. If AEW start doing toilet humour, phoning in almost every show for about 10 years, featuring racism, homophobia and misogyny on their show, and generally treating their audience like complete c***s, by all means heavy criticism would be more than justified, but there's a weird disparity between the actual quality of the shows and the way it's talked about. It just objectively isn't a terrible product in the way TNA and WWE in their dark years were. It's weird that someone wants to fight for their right to shit on something that just doesn't merit the same level of abuse that those products got, they got that abuse because they earned it with some of the worst decisions and booking you'll ever see. Criticise by all means, nothing is ever going to be for everyone, nobody has to like everything on the show, but there's a definite difference between constructive criticism and what AEW mostly gets. WWE isn't for me so I spend no time whatsoever in their section, on their social media accounts, nothing, and I know there's a lot of people on here who are the same, I think people would be grateful if people who clearly don't watch AEW did the same sort of thing (not meaning you, just in general).
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 17, 2024 8:02:14 GMT -5
"What is wrestling tribalism anyway?"
f***ing annoying, as is every other form of fandom tribalism.
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