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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 17, 2013 14:45:13 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked it. No wait, that's not right. I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't hate it, and I find that very weird. I mean, I can get not liking it, but I don't understand why it's attracting such ire and why it made so many "worst film of the year" lists.
Sure it took a lot of liberties from the books and didn't make much sense but... so what? The story never made sense to begin with (after, the point is to show how strange this world is), and it didn't really have a cohesive structure so I think it should be pretty malleable, and I found Burton's take on it decent.
I also really liked the visuals, it was really the kind of stuff I'd expect to find in Wonderland, and it actually looked fairly different from the usual Tim Burton fare, which is why I also don't get why so many people who claim Burton keeps making the same movies disliked it.
Really the only problem I had with it was that I felt Alice could have shown some emotions. I think she was supposed to be confused by her surroundings but she looked more annoyed than anything. But for the most part, I enjoyed this film a lot and I really don't see what's in it that makes people hate it so much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 14:46:37 GMT -5
Well, the Futterwhacken for one thing...
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 17, 2013 15:04:49 GMT -5
It was an example of Burton's worst tendencies. The over use of his typical actors, visual design that went from cool/interesting to obnoxious, Depp being weird for the sake of weird and getting far too much focus, etc
Thrown in a mess of a story that can't decide how much of it is a tribute/sequel to the original, a dull protagonist who's dramatic tension is strangled by the "fate/prophecy" trope, and a battle sequence seemingly thrown in because they couldn't think of another way of finishing the film and you have Alice in Wonderland.
The eye rolling dance by Depp's character kind of sums up the film really; idiotic, unncessary, and presented as out there and weird when its just plain tiresome.
And this is from someone who likes Burton, enjoyed Frankenweenie and Sweeney Todd, and has stated that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory while forgettable, is not as bad as so many have said.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 17, 2013 15:42:26 GMT -5
^ What he said.
The damned Futterwacken, the completely out of nowhere main event push of the Mad Hatter, the indecisive sequel/remake/tribute thing, also not a fan of how it combined things from both Alice books, further adding to the public confusion that there is even two Alice books to begin with.
And the film does have the typical Burton look, the difference here is he actually uses freaking color, so it stands apart from most of his films.
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Post by The OP on Mar 17, 2013 15:53:05 GMT -5
The only thing I didn't like about it was Johnny Depp. I don't have anything against him, generally speaking, but I knew the Mad Hatter was gonna be written as a bigger character to give him more screen time and of course that's exactly what happened. I think it's kinda stupid that he was cast as the Mad Hatter in the first place, it's like they went "It's a Tim Burton movie and he wore a hat in the Willy Wonka movie so obviously he has to play the Mad Hatter". Just dumb.
Crispin Glover was a nice surprise, however. The 3-D was totally extraneous and added nothing to the experience, so paying extra for a 3-D ticket was pretty much a ripoff. I guess that's a fair bit of criticism, but I had a decent time watching the movie.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Mar 17, 2013 16:05:34 GMT -5
The Mad Hatter is best when presented as ugly (Tom Petty, Martin Short) not as some heart throb done up like a China doll.
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Post by Goldenbane on Mar 17, 2013 16:20:58 GMT -5
Didn't hate it, but can't say I liked it either. I really don't understand why so many adaptations keep pushing the Mad Hatter as a "good guy" when in the Disney version and original book version he was kind of just an asshole.
I thought the Jabberwokky was done really well, and I really liked Crispin Glover's role as the Jack of Hearts (or whatever) but really, the movie was pretty forgettable.
Gotta throw in that I was disappointed with Alice not growing HUGE too. (Meaning she never became the 50 foot version...just sort of an 8 foot girl). Bleh, I'm too much of a macrophile!
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Post by Cela on Mar 17, 2013 17:11:08 GMT -5
My biggest issue was Alice being a terrible actress.
Also, Burton's usual desire to Carter Depp the entire thing.
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Post by 67 more on Mar 17, 2013 17:18:46 GMT -5
I liked it.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 17, 2013 18:21:08 GMT -5
It was an example of Burton's worst tendencies. The over use of his typical actors, visual design that went from cool/interesting to obnoxious, Depp being weird for the sake of weird and getting far too much focus, etc Thrown in a mess of a story that can't decide how much of it is a tribute/sequel to the original, a dull protagonist who's dramatic tension is strangled by the "fate/prophecy" trope, and a battle sequence seemingly thrown in because they couldn't think of another way of finishing the film and you have Alice in Wonderland. The eye rolling dance by Depp's character kind of sums up the film really; idiotic, unncessary, and presented as out there and weird when its just plain tiresome. And this is from someone who likes Burton, enjoyed Frankenweenie and Sweeney Todd, and has stated that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory while forgettable, is not as bad as so many have said. All this. It was as though Burton was doing a parody of himself. They might as well have titled it "Tim Burton Movie." |
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Mar 17, 2013 18:28:27 GMT -5
I saw it in 3d with a chick.... I didn't score.
This movie can suck it.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 17, 2013 18:38:03 GMT -5
I saw it in 3d with a chick.... I didn't score. This movie can suck it. Well I guess if the chick won't... |
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 17, 2013 18:43:24 GMT -5
It looked great and all but i found it really really boring. I fell asleep halfway through it and have no urge to find out what happens.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 17, 2013 18:44:04 GMT -5
Turning something that was meant to be nonsense into forgettable "hero's journey" dreck. No, "frabjous day" isn't some foretold date of destiny, it's just a silly term of celebration. Burton just didn't get the Alice stories, and he did absolutely nothing new with the tales that merited the film being made.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Mar 17, 2013 18:47:06 GMT -5
I saw it in 3d with a chick.... I didn't score. This movie can suck it. Well I guess if the chick won't... Exactly |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 17, 2013 18:49:23 GMT -5
Funny thing is that this wasn't the only Wonderland related thing that pushed Mad Hatter up. There was also the SyFy mini-series that had a modern take.
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Post by Jiren on Mar 17, 2013 18:49:28 GMT -5
I put along with stuff like "Sucker Punch"
Nice looking but void of anything else
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Post by chazraps on Mar 17, 2013 19:35:47 GMT -5
You have characters in an Alice in Wonderland adaptation doing the robot.
f*** that movie.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 17, 2013 19:49:32 GMT -5
Didn't hate it, but can't say I liked it either. I really don't understand why so many adaptations keep pushing the Mad Hatter as a "good guy" when in the Disney version and original book version he was kind of just an asshole. I thought the Jabberwokky was done really well, and I really liked Crispin Glover's role as the Jack of Hearts (or whatever) but really, the movie was pretty forgettable. Gotta throw in that I was disappointed with Alice not growing HUGE too. (Meaning she never became the 50 foot version...just sort of an 8 foot girl). Bleh, I'm too much of a macrophile! Well she was briefly a giant, but was then shrunk to her 8-to-10 foot tall self. |
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 17, 2013 21:26:05 GMT -5
I just thought it was boring and uninspired more than anything
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