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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 11, 2007 2:30:29 GMT -5
Credit PWTorch audio update for 9/10...
1. Many people backstage at TNA (including Kurt Angle) were upset that Jay Lethal was one of the guys thrown around by Samoa Joe on camera when wrestlers came out to break-up the Joe/Christian, feeling like it made Lethal look very weak just an hour after the big victory. The "heatzz" was not directed at Joe, but at agent Terry Taylor, who just rounded up a bunch of guys backstage to go get Joe off of Christian after the DQ...and picked a bunch of young guys from the X-Division that were standing around. The feeling was that it was accidental incompetence and an oversight on Taylor's part more than sabotage of the X-Division.
2. Kurt Angle was presented with a non-clean finish to the Black Machismo title match and refused, didn't feel like his character needed that kind of protection, wants to help create stars, and do clean finishes, and 100% stressed that Lethal needed put over cleanly if there was going to be a title change.
...It's too bad that Kurt's too crazy to book this crap (SEE: his idea to make some of the X-Division guys like "Peanuts" characters), because he seems really smart with the basics. The finish of that Lethal-Angle match is even cooler after hearing it came from Angle, because that was the textbook way to put a guy over.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 11, 2007 2:33:27 GMT -5
Sounds nice.
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Post by dpg on Sept 11, 2007 2:41:24 GMT -5
Well done kurt.
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Post by machinegun on Sept 11, 2007 2:50:12 GMT -5
Nice to see that Kurt isn't Hogan
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 11, 2007 2:52:34 GMT -5
Keller was also saying that Angle's reputation backstage is that he generally pretty much rolls along with whatever TNA's creative team gives him, and tries to make the best of it. For example, the pushing of Karen Angle and the "Total Non-Stop Angle" we sometimes complain about is Jeff Jarrett's doing, and Jarrett's way of trying to get the most out of TNA's huge investment in Angle. That sounds a lot better than a situation where Kurt's running around like Hogan in 1994-95 WCW trying to get his face all over TV and his cronies hired (which I kind of assumed).
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 11, 2007 2:53:30 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is a tide of change. He's the guy with the clout that can influence booking and forces consistency on the company.
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Post by Rube on Sept 11, 2007 2:57:06 GMT -5
Keller was also saying that Angle's reputation backstage is that he generally pretty much rolls along with whatever TNA's creative team gives him, and tries to make the best of it. For example, the pushing of Karen Angle and the "Total Non-Stop Angle" we sometimes complain about is Jeff Jarrett's doing, and Jarrett's way of trying to get the most out of TNA's huge investment in Angle. That sounds a lot better than a situation where Kurt's running around like Hogan in 1994-95 WCW trying to get his face all over TV and his cronies hired (which I kind of assumed). Two more reasons for me to love Jeff Jarrett. ;D
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Post by machinegun on Sept 11, 2007 3:00:01 GMT -5
I love me some Total Nonstop Angle
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Post by dpg on Sept 11, 2007 3:08:43 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is a tide of change. He's the guy with the clout that can influence booking and forces consistency on the company. I think Kurt will make a good booker in the future.
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Post by robferatu on Sept 11, 2007 3:31:01 GMT -5
I think that was decent on Angle to put Lethal over cleanly, especially if he was given the option not to. I don't really think Angle is as egotisical as he's sometimes made out to be.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 11, 2007 3:48:32 GMT -5
I think that was decent on Angle to put Lethal over cleanly, especially if he was given the option not to. I don't really think Angle is as egotisical as he's sometimes made out to be. Well, it was more that Angle forced the bookers change their plans to put over Lethal cleanly, moreso than just given the option if he felt like it. I think that's more than decent of Angle, especially since it came out with Jay Lethal smelling like money.
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Post by silverking on Sept 11, 2007 3:50:47 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is a tide of change. He's the guy with the clout that can influence booking and forces consistency on the company. I think Kurt will make a good booker in the future. Nah he'll do the Inoki crap and mix MMA with wrestling. He'll book himself to draw or go over Randy Couture once he starts "Angle Genome Federation". ;D
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Sept 11, 2007 4:20:16 GMT -5
Angle haters will find some reason to still hate on him whatever he does. I think he deserves his standing in TNA and he deserves to have a very long run with the World Title. When he finally will drop it to someone, this guy will be super-over and I hope that it will be someone like Alex Shelley (with a proper build-up).
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 11, 2007 7:04:14 GMT -5
I was wondering that myself with Jay Lethal. He shouldn't have been out there, and that was some bad booking on the part of Terry Taylor.
And yeah, it was a good idea, especially the way it happened. Angle stayed strong at the end of the night, and helped put a guy over huge, probably the biggest win of his career. And also, the joke against Chris Sabin being Pig Pen would have been great, because it would have gotten him some connection with the crowd.
If they wanted to get Sabin over as a heel, instead of the crowd chanting "Let's Go Sabin", they could chant, "Let's Go Pigpen". This would generally piss Sabin off, and people would chant it more. Kinda like the ROOOOOOOOOOOOderick chants in ROH.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 11, 2007 7:10:52 GMT -5
It makes a lot of sense on why Angle is the World Champion. Sure we all want it on someone like AJ Styles to create new starts but there should be penty of time to do that once they go two hours. Angle should be champion when that starts because he is the biggest name they have outside of Sting.
It looks like finally TNA turns a corner for them selves without having Jarrett as Champion. Unlike when TNA went to FSN, Then Spike, and then Primetime.
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 11, 2007 10:43:01 GMT -5
that is cool to hear him wanting to put lethal over and honestly had it not finished with angle losing to lethal cleanly, i would have considered angle with all the belts a very bad choice. however, it cemented angle (the biggest wrestling name in a company trying to gain viewers) as a tough guy, and then gave lethal a huge push in credibility that otherwise would not have come about.
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Post by Jmurdoch on Sept 11, 2007 15:57:16 GMT -5
Kurt Angle gained alot of respect from me for doing this. It's one thing I wish bookers would realize more, clean wins do more for angles than any swerve or run-in ever will.
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 11, 2007 16:37:07 GMT -5
that made no sense to throw around the guy who just won a title.
Why not let Rhino interfere he seems to love putting his horn where it doesn't belong.
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Post by hutter on Sept 11, 2007 16:56:07 GMT -5
If TNA creative doesn't screw this opportunity up (may be too late with the Red Rooster's blunder) maybe they can salvage the X-division.
I know that's asking for too much.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 11, 2007 17:25:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I think they're doing a bigger error with Lethal with what's going on this Thursday's Impact than him just getting tossed over the rope from Sunday
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