Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 17, 2007 14:18:16 GMT -5
I know i just don't really take ROH or their title all that seriously Then, not to be rude, but why are you even in here discussing it? If you don't like 'em or their title, that's fine and dandy, but there's no need to come into a thread where people who like it are discussing the promotion and trash it. Jed Shaffer ~Belts have to contribute to the person. You can't be a true champion until you've held the belt. That's just logic. I just don't take wrestling all that seriously in General. LOL i really think the only Title Run I was interested in was Punk's because it was different than "Will he lose it/Won't he lose it" booking that Joe before him had. LOL if people trash TNA and WWE in those threads why can't i bash ROH?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 17, 2007 14:22:44 GMT -5
LOL i really think the only Title Run I was interested in was Punk's because it was different than "Will he lose it/Won't he lose it" booking that Joe before him had. Uh. That's pretty much exactly what his run was. "Who will be the one to take the belt off Punk before he runs to the WWE with it". Excluding the WWE part, that pretty much exactly sums up the reigns of Joe, Danielson, Morishima and Xavier.
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Post by steenerico on Oct 17, 2007 14:22:50 GMT -5
My order is totally out of whack from the usual order that i'm seeing in this thread but then again it's my order.
1)Punk 2)Aries 3)Morishima 4) Danielson 5)Joe 6)Homicide 7)Gibson 8)Low Ki 9)Xavier
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Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 17, 2007 14:25:14 GMT -5
LOL i really think the only Title Run I was interested in was Punk's because it was different than "Will he lose it/Won't he lose it" booking that Joe before him had. Uh. That's pretty much exactly what his run was. "Who will be the one to take the belt off Punk before he runs to the WWE with it". Excluding the WWE part, that pretty much exactly sums up the reigns of Joe, Danielson, Morishima and Xavier. No i mean the booking during it, and Punk's character during the time of his reign. He was wearing suits, had a McMahon sized swagger and ego. As opposed to Joe who most of the time just defended the belt. Punk had a story about the title. The matches were good for Joe and Morishima, I just didn't have as much interest during their reigns as I did for Punk and Danielson. Maybe it's because Punk and Danielson are good promo guys and have great charisma. as opposed to 2 fat guys wit a mean streak.
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Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 17, 2007 14:28:15 GMT -5
I just don't take wrestling all that seriously in General. That's fine. It's not some life-giving necessity for me, either. But if you're arguing about how the man making the belt instead of the other way around, you've invested SOME level of emotion in it. And just because other people don't agree doesn't mean they take it too seriously. And, to be honest, they shouldn't either. If someone has nothing constructive to contribute to a discussion, there's no point for said person to join in the discussion. If you don't really care for ROH or how they book their championships, what do you get out of coming in here and peeing in everyone's Cheerios? Jed Shaffer ~*sigh* Someone remind me why I even bother with debates?
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 17, 2007 14:31:49 GMT -5
what do you get out of coming in here and peeing in everyone's Cheerios? A higher post count and the satisfaction of knowing he displayed his internet superiority to the dreaded IWC. ~*sigh* Someone remind me why I even bother with debates? Because maybe one day someone will actually say "you're right" and stop going into threads to bash other feds? Seriously, Jed, don't give up the fight. Also, Joekishi, I'd point out that 90% of criticism for TNA is either directed at Vince Russo or is quite constructive.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 17, 2007 14:37:59 GMT -5
Also, Joekishi, I'd point out that 90% of criticism for TNA is either directed at Vince Russo or is quite constructive. That could be said for the E as well.
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 17, 2007 14:40:18 GMT -5
Like mine isn't constructive.
I'm just complaining about ROH's booking of their champions the same damn way, the title reigns the same damn way, and title switches the same damn way.
It gets to be irritating to me.
that's what I am complaining about. Nothing about the wrestling, just the booking of the title and the champions.
I want something different from ROH. Hopefully Nigel will be different than the year long title reigns or the short 2 month transition champ like Aries, Noble, Xavier before him
If ROH can book his title reign like they booked his Pure title Reign, I'm all for it.
i'm complaining about the booking, not the wrestlers themselves just like the people that complain about WWE and TNA.
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Post by rra on Oct 17, 2007 16:12:00 GMT -5
Like mine isn't constructive. I'm just complaining about ROH's booking of their champions the same damn way, the title reigns the same damn way, and title switches the same damn way. It gets to be irritating to me. that's what I am complaining about. Nothing about the wrestling, just the booking of the title and the champions. I want something different from ROH. Hopefully Nigel will be different than the year long title reigns or the short 2 month transition champ like Aries, Noble, Xavier before him If ROH can book his title reign like they booked his Pure title Reign, I'm all for it. i'm complaining about the booking, not the wrestlers themselves just like the people that complain about WWE and TNA. I got an idea that you'll love. Lets give a mid-card title belt to a MIDGET!
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 17, 2007 16:15:33 GMT -5
Like mine isn't constructive. I'm just complaining about ROH's booking of their champions the same damn way, the title reigns the same damn way, and title switches the same damn way. It gets to be irritating to me. that's what I am complaining about. Nothing about the wrestling, just the booking of the title and the champions. I want something different from ROH. Hopefully Nigel will be different than the year long title reigns or the short 2 month transition champ like Aries, Noble, Xavier before him If ROH can book his title reign like they booked his Pure title Reign, I'm all for it. i'm complaining about the booking, not the wrestlers themselves just like the people that complain about WWE and TNA. I got an idea that you'll love. Lets give a mid-card title belt to a MIDGET! Or the top title of one brand to the nonwrestler boss of the company.
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Post by steenerico on Oct 17, 2007 16:20:53 GMT -5
Like mine isn't constructive. I'm just complaining about ROH's booking of their champions the same damn way, the title reigns the same damn way, and title switches the same damn way. It gets to be irritating to me. that's what I am complaining about. Nothing about the wrestling, just the booking of the title and the champions. I want something different from ROH. Hopefully Nigel will be different than the year long title reigns or the short 2 month transition champ like Aries, Noble, Xavier before him If ROH can book his title reign like they booked his Pure title Reign, I'm all for it. i'm complaining about the booking, not the wrestlers themselves just like the people that complain about WWE and TNA. Aries was not a transitional champion.He held the title for 5-6 months and it became the ROH WORLD championship while he held it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 17, 2007 17:59:49 GMT -5
Like mine isn't constructive. I'm just complaining about ROH's booking of their champions the same damn way, the title reigns the same damn way, and title switches the same damn way. It gets to be irritating to me. that's what I am complaining about. Nothing about the wrestling, just the booking of the title and the champions. I want something different from ROH. Hopefully Nigel will be different than the year long title reigns or the short 2 month transition champ like Aries, Noble, Xavier before him If ROH can book his title reign like they booked his Pure title Reign, I'm all for it. i'm complaining about the booking, not the wrestlers themselves just like the people that complain about WWE and TNA. Aries was not a transitional champion.He held the title for 5-6 months and it became the ROH WORLD championship while he held it. No, Joe defended it internationally first. But Aries reign was fantastic. Nearly 6 months of almost non-stop defenses around the world, and the buildup to his eventual loss was logically done (his neck being battered on for over a month leading to Punk taking him out with a Pepsi Plunge). I honestly see no reason why putting the belt on a guy to get him to the next level is a bad thing. Most people go to ROH to see the whole product, not due to simply the champion. Aries' win over Joe was brilliant BECAUSE it felt so out of nowhere, and Aries wasn't seen just yet as a true headliner. So what's the next step? Have Aries' storyline be that he's hellbent on proving his win over Joe wasn't a fluke, so he goes crazy, accepting every single challenge thrown his way for nearly six months...which leads to his downfall. And again, ROH is going to sell out the Manhattan Center regardless of whether Danielson is the champion, or if, say, Rocky Romero is the champion. Besides, you can't look at all title reigns and reasons for certain guys holding titles the same: to me, it's a sign of smart booking if each one is treated differently. Homicide, Low Ki and Punk had stories of "run towards destiny", Aries was the out of nowhere shocker, Xavier was the chicken**** heel, Joe and Morishima used it as launching pads to build up their monster characters, etc. etc. If belts are given out using the same parameters for each champ, things get dull. As for where Morishima ranks, that's a tough call. Joe and Danielson are obviously on top, and Aries' reign is far too often overlooked for how solid and engaging it was. I'd put Morishima at maybe #5; I loved his character, loved a lot of his matches, and I typically enjoy well crafted monster title reigns, but the fact is that time constraints restricted THAT much from being done with him in the time he had it (i.e. NOAH wasn't about to keep him coming back to America for two straight years or something ridiculous). That said, random thought, but while I dug that Morishima was a loner tweener who needed nobody's help, he always struck me as a guy who, in ye olden tymes, would've been absolute gold if paired with a manager like Bobby Heenan. The heel manager would talk him up, put over how brutal he is, but then the minute he hit the ring, the manager would just stand back, afraid that, in the heat of battle, his monster might turn around and eat HIM. One last note: Xavier's reign was much better than it gets credit for. Going back and watching some of those defenses from '02-'03, he played his part very well, and the matches against him helped bump Paul London up to a whole other level.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Oct 17, 2007 19:02:37 GMT -5
1. Joe - He made the belt what it is today, and helped ROH through a dark period. Not to mention the classics with Punk that got me interested in ROH
2. Danielson - Held the belt for well over a year and had some of the best title defenses against a ton of top level indy talent
3. Punk - Short reign, but the build and subsequent heel turn was sweet. Quite possibly the best booked ROH title run
4. Aries - Beat Joe and defended it around the world for 6 months
5. Morishima - Had a pretty long run with some good matches
6. Homicide - Great build to the title win, but his short run was nothing special
7. Gibson - A token title run, dropped it to Danielson in a great match
8. Low Ki - The first champ
9. Xavier - Never was a fan of his
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Post by steenerico on Oct 17, 2007 19:06:52 GMT -5
Aries was not a transitional champion.He held the title for 5-6 months and it became the ROH WORLD championship while he held it. No, Joe defended it internationally first. Ok well what i guess i meant was Aries defended it alot overseas.And as stated before he was not a transitional champion.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Oct 17, 2007 19:16:44 GMT -5
What ever happend to Xavier anyway?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 17, 2007 20:03:24 GMT -5
No, Joe defended it internationally first. Ok well what i guess i meant was Aries defended it alot overseas.And as stated before he was not a transitional champion. no, what you really mean to say is "Austin Aries defended it more internationally than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries defended more times than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries had better matches than Samoa Joe. And now that its all said and done, Aries is remember as the greatest ROH World Champion in history" or something like that
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 17, 2007 20:04:33 GMT -5
What ever happend to Xavier anyway? couldn't get over with the fans and got dropped like Matt Stryker and John Walters
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 17, 2007 20:38:16 GMT -5
Oddly enough, Xavier didn't really stop getting reactions. If anything, ROH fans have taken a bit of a liking to him as time has passed (absence makes the heart grow fonder, perhaps?). Not that he'd be a big crowd favorite or anything should he return, but he typically gets a decent reception on the occasions that ROH brings him in for a one-off match.
Frankly, I think he'd be pretty good in a midcard heel stable, sort of where he was headed as the first ever member of the Embassy before he got injured and left. Or hell, even when he was in the Prophecy, he still could've worked. All in all, he played a very solid cocky midcard heel, and that's nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by steenerico on Oct 17, 2007 20:40:17 GMT -5
Ok well what i guess i meant was Aries defended it alot overseas.And as stated before he was not a transitional champion. no, what you really mean to say is "Austin Aries defended it more internationally than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries defended more times than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries had better matches than Samoa Joe. And now that its all said and done, Aries is remember as the greatest ROH World Champion in history" or something like that Nope,for the second time i've seen,your wrong.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 17, 2007 20:42:27 GMT -5
no, what you really mean to say is "Austin Aries defended it more internationally than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries defended more times than Samoa Joe. Austin Aries had better matches than Samoa Joe. And now that its all said and done, Aries is remember as the greatest ROH World Champion in history" or something like that Nope,for the second time i've seen,your wrong. *shakes head over person who obviously didn't see It All Beings* what was the first thing i was wrong about?
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