Complete Raven in ROH (Videos to come)

[Zane]

1. Raven VS CM Punk in a Ravens Rules Match: www.megavideo.com/?v=7OXJ8ZUA

2. Cabana and Raven VS Ace Steel and CM Punk www.megavideo.com/?v=EGM9M3VW

3. Raven and Whitmere VS Punk and Cabana anything goes www.megavideo.com/?v=T21QVG3F

4. Raven and Christopher Daniels VS Punk and Cabana
www.megavideo.com/?v=40T8AFBI
5. Raven VS Punk Dog Collar Match (includes pre-match promo and post match antics)

6. Raven VS Punk Clockwork Orange House of Fun Cage Match

7a. Steve Corino VS Raven

7b. Punk VS Terry Funk

8. Raven VS Justin Credible

9. Raven VS Punk Cage Match


I should have all of these uploaded within a week or a week and half. The first match will be put up in a couple of hours.

[Surfer Supreme]

Word. I totally, totally look forward to this.

[Zane]

First match is up

[radicalbuttercup]

I've got that first match, it's great. Raven was in amazing shape at the time.

[hollywood]

That really was a great feud. Probably Raven's best fued since working with DDP in WCW.

(I don't care what anyone says. Yes, Raven was at his best in ECW. But WCW actually used him better than WWF/E. And his fued with DDP was awesome.)

[radicalbuttercup]

hollywood said:

That really was a great feud. Probably Raven's best fued since working with DDP in WCW.

(I don't care what anyone says. Yes, Raven was at his best in ECW. But WCW actually used him better than WWF/E. And his fued with DDP was awesome.)

Well yeah, WCW certainly used him better. He was at least a high midcard guy that could have easily been a main-eventer if he were allowed to be. He was a jobber in WWE. The only time he got anywhere near his potential was when he banished to Heat and got to run the show.

[Michael Coello]

Well, in WWE he was a 27 Time Hardcore Champion. Was he ever a 27 time Hardcore champ in WCW or ECW? No!

[lildude8218]

sinister1 said:

Well, in WWE he was a 27 Time Hardcore Champion. Was he ever a 27 time Hardcore champ in WCW or ECW? No!

Yeah and he didn't even win the ROH Flippy Workrate Belt!

[hollywood]

radicalbuttercup said:

hollywood said:

That really was a great feud. Probably Raven's best fued since working with DDP in WCW.

(I don't care what anyone says. Yes, Raven was at his best in ECW. But WCW actually used him better than WWF/E. And his fued with DDP was awesome.)

Well yeah, WCW certainly used him better. He was at least a high midcard guy that could have easily been a main-eventer if he were allowed to be. He was a jobber in WWE. The only time he got anywhere near his potential was when he banished to Heat and got to run the show.

Oh, and just for the record, even though it goes without saying, WWE and WCW both used him better than TNA. Yes, even though WWE used him as a jobber.

[radicalbuttercup]

hollywood said:

radicalbuttercup said:

Well yeah, WCW certainly used him better. He was at least a high midcard guy that could have easily been a main-eventer if he were allowed to be. He was a jobber in WWE. The only time he got anywhere near his potential was when he banished to Heat and got to run the show.

Oh, and just for the record, even though it goes without saying, WWE and WCW both used him better than TNA. Yes, even though WWE used him as a jobber.

I think he's done quite well for himself in TNA other than losing the world title before Spike went on TV, at a non-televised event mind you, due to Double J's massive ego. Everything after that was pretty bleh (although I betcha Serotonin could have been cool if he had given some creative control over it) but now he seems to be climbing back up the ladder since he's gotten into better shape.

[stevierichardsfan]

i agree with bubbles raven is in alot better shape now then he was say a year ago

[Corporate H]

A lot of these are hard to find due to the DVDs always being out of sale.

[hollywood]

radicalbuttercup said:

hollywood said:

Oh, and just for the record, even though it goes without saying, WWE and WCW both used him better than TNA. Yes, even though WWE used him as a jobber.

I think he's done quite well for himself in TNA other than losing the world title before Spike went on TV, at a non-televised event mind you, due to Double J's massive ego. Everything after that was pretty bleh (although I betcha Serotonin could have been cool if he had given some creative control over it) but now he seems to be climbing back up the ladder since he's gotten into better shape.

He's a frikkin cartoon character. A 40+ yerar-old caricature of himself and the flock in WCW.

[radicalbuttercup]

hollywood said:

radicalbuttercup said:

I think he's done quite well for himself in TNA other than losing the world title before Spike went on TV, at a non-televised event mind you, due to Double J's massive ego. Everything after that was pretty bleh (although I betcha Serotonin could have been cool if he had given some creative control over it) but now he seems to be climbing back up the ladder since he's gotten into better shape.

He's a frikkin cartoon character. A 40+ yerar-old caricature of himself and the flock in WCW.

....Wha?

[thestinger]

hollywood said:

Oh, and just for the record, even though it goes without saying, WWE and WCW both used him better than TNA. Yes, even though WWE used him as a jobber.

That is the silliest thing I've seen posted in a long while. Did WWE ever have in a long main event program that resulting him winning the world title?

I don't see a WWE Best of Raven DVD either.

Jeez, could you hate TNA any more?

[Nite-Owl Marks For Bloc Party]

I thought Raven had booking control over Serotonin and wanted it bulid up to something but then it just fizzled out.

[thestinger]

Matt Bentley blamed one of the bookers for the gimmick not taking off.

I loved seeing Serotonin wrestle, but what kind of 'push' can you get when your team's gimmick is that after they lose, Raven canes them while wearing a bird mask?

All three managed to put on good matches though, even when they were being squashed.

I'm glad Kaz at least is getting a push.

[radicalbuttercup]

thestinger said:

Matt Bentley blamed one of the bookers for the gimmick not taking off.

I loved seeing Serotonin wrestle, but what kind of 'push' can you get when your team's gimmick is that after they lose, Raven canes them while wearing a bird mask?

All three managed to put on good matches though, even when they were being squashed.

I'm glad Kaz at least is getting a push.

Bentley said that they all kept throwing ideas but Dutch Mantell kept turning them down. Namely a SAW type gimmick since their vignette's definitely seemed inspired by it. In one match, they beat The Naturals and when Raven came out he didn't cane them. Instead he started hitting the mat with his cane, they all joined in, like they were finally unified and posed.

....Then they disappeared from tv for a month.

[thestinger]

Yeah, I definately got that they were building up to SOMETHING. Something that obviously, never reached our TV screens.

Instead Kaz rebelled, Bentley got fired and nothing has happened yet with Johnny Devine.

That poor guy was in three different teams within six months (Team Canada, The Paparazzis, and Serotonin)

[hollywood]

None of this really defends TNA's mishandling of Raven.