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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 9, 2007 9:22:56 GMT -5
So what have been the most notable times you've had an opinion change for the positive about a wrestler, a wrestler's direction, or a storyline?
For me, recently heel AJ Styles has been growing on me- though I still don't like the idea of him and Tomko being Christian Cage's henchmen.
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Post by MGH on Nov 9, 2007 9:32:41 GMT -5
Has to be Santino. Face Santino was dull, winning with roll ups, being an overall bore. When the rumors of him being written out after Vengeance were coming out, I couldn't have cared less.
Heel Santino with a mic? Oh my lord. One of the best things on Raw, and in WWE in general.
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Post by KLRA on Nov 9, 2007 9:35:03 GMT -5
Shingo. First time I saw him up until I watched him on Good Times, Great Memories I thought he was a boring turd.
Now I think he's 20 kinds of awesome.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Nov 9, 2007 9:36:44 GMT -5
Has to be Santino. Face Santino was dull, winning with roll ups, being an overall bore. When the rumors of him being written out after Vengeance were coming out, I couldn't have cared less. Heel Santino with a mic? Oh my lord. One of the best things on Raw, and in WWE in general. Ding ding ding. Another example for me in ROH: Brent Albright has grown on me. First he was a boring big man, then he faced Morishima. That match was legitimately insane. For a negative - Delirious. His character has gotten very, very stale. I don't hate him, but I no longer really enjoy his in-ring antics. That said, the biting thing he's started might help him out tremendously. |
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Post by hollywood on Nov 9, 2007 9:36:57 GMT -5
Probably Kennedy.
I absolutely loved his gimmick, still do really. But ever since he was ousted as a steroid abuser along with nearly a dozen others after publicly insisting that there were no steroid problems in WWE, I just haven't been able to enjoy him as much.
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Post by MGH on Nov 9, 2007 9:40:40 GMT -5
Totally agree with Mediocre on Delirious. Something needs to change with him in ROH, fast. I still enjoy him with Incoherence in CHIKARA though.
Another for me in WWE is Batista. I was HUGE on him back in 05. Loved the HHH feud, liked the JBL feud, and loved the Guerrero feud. Then he went down. When he came back all I got was a lackluster series of matches with Kennedy, a horrid stretch of matches with Booker T, and then I sat there and watched Ken Kennedy in January literally haul his dead ass around for 2 matches at the Rumble and on Smackdown. The Undertaker stuff picked up the pace, but not by a ton. I didn't like those matches much aside from the Mania one. The Vengeance match with Edge was phenomenal, but the other 3? Not worth checking out.
He's just not nearly the same anymore. And his annoying "that belt is mine mine MINE MINE MINE ALL MINE" booking kills him for me.
Oh whoops, I just realized this was supposed to be a positive post. Well, let me add another to here then.
MVP's first month or so in the company was lame as hell. His debut at No Mercy had me thinking we had another dud on our hands. Then he had those matches with Kane, and I was semi-impressed. Then Benoit just took him to a whole other level. Since then he's been total money and a future World Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by KLRA on Nov 9, 2007 9:40:52 GMT -5
For a negative - Delirious. His character has gotten very, very stale. I don't hate him, but I no longer really enjoy his in-ring antics. That said, the biting thing he's started might help him out tremendously. I think part of it was that he got pushed into mid-card hell all of a sudden. Like, he couldn't go any higher on the card without a serious main-event style push, which I don't think ROH would want to commit to so he started to become stale because he had (and still does really) no place to go. I think his character would be served by some freshening up a little bit. |
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Nov 9, 2007 9:44:33 GMT -5
For a negative - Delirious. His character has gotten very, very stale. I don't hate him, but I no longer really enjoy his in-ring antics. That said, the biting thing he's started might help him out tremendously. I think part of it was that he got pushed into mid-card hell all of a sudden. Like, he couldn't go any higher on the card without a serious main-event style push, which I don't think ROH would want to commit to so he started to become stale because he had (and still does really) no place to go. I think his character would be served by some freshening up a little bit. Totally agreed there. It's not entirely his fault, and as MGH stated, he's still a blast in CHIKARA. But it seems every ROH feud this years has been with either with a midcarder (Adam Pearce) or with a guy on the way out (Matt Sydal) and it really adds nothing to the character. |
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Post by KLRA on Nov 9, 2007 9:54:46 GMT -5
I think part of it was that he got pushed into mid-card hell all of a sudden. Like, he couldn't go any higher on the card without a serious main-event style push, which I don't think ROH would want to commit to so he started to become stale because he had (and still does really) no place to go. I think his character would be served by some freshening up a little bit. Totally agreed there. It's not entirely his fault, and as MGH stated, he's still a blast in CHIKARA. But it seems every ROH feud this years has been with either with a midcarder (Adam Pearce) or with a guy on the way out (Matt Sydal) and it really adds nothing to the character. I think it would help if ROH had a midcard title. I know we've been pushing it for a while but with the huge amount of talent that are now literally midcard and nothing more, it would be a huge help. |
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Post by MGH on Nov 9, 2007 9:56:13 GMT -5
I think that's what they wanted with the FIP title, and that whole thing has fallen flat on its face. No one at all thinks it'll change hands outside of FIP this time around.
I'm never letting off the pedal about wanting the Pure Title back. I loved that damn thing.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Nov 9, 2007 9:58:39 GMT -5
Totally agreed there. It's not entirely his fault, and as MGH stated, he's still a blast in CHIKARA. But it seems every ROH feud this years has been with either with a midcarder (Adam Pearce) or with a guy on the way out (Matt Sydal) and it really adds nothing to the character. I think it would help if ROH had a midcard title. I know we've been pushing it for a while but with the huge amount of talent that are now literally midcard and nothing more, it would be a huge help. I've been thinking that ROH needs a midcard title as well, but I'm not 100% convinced that it's necessary. It *would* be a good stepping stone for a guy like, say, Davey Richards or Jigsaw or (assuming he hasn't been totally written out a la Kevin Steen) El Generico. On the same token, though, I think a lot of people would argue that the FIP title is ROH's midcard title. Anyway, let's end the threadjack and get back to the main post. The Olsen Twins. I had heard bad things going in to Cibernetico and Robin. I walked out thinking they had put on the best non-Cibernetico match of the show. I think that's what they wanted with the FIP title, and that whole thing has fallen flat on its face. No one at all thinks it'll change hands outside of FIP this time around. I'm never letting off the pedal about wanting the Pure Title back. I loved that damn thing. The thing about the Pure Title is that no one will EVER do it as well as Nigel did it. |
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Post by KLRA on Nov 9, 2007 10:02:08 GMT -5
Oh, here's another one for me: Jack Evans. About three years ago now (wow, it's been a while) I thought he was one of the hottest things going. Now I believe he's overhyped and not all that great. Unless he's wrestling in Dragon Gate then he's 20 kinds of awesome.
And as for a positive: Hallowicked. I never thought he was that good until recently. I was just watching a few DVDs the other week and WHAM! all of a sudden I realize he's a special worker.
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Post by MGH on Nov 9, 2007 10:05:08 GMT -5
I think that's what they wanted with the FIP title, and that whole thing has fallen flat on its face. No one at all thinks it'll change hands outside of FIP this time around. I'm never letting off the pedal about wanting the Pure Title back. I loved that damn thing. The thing about the Pure Title is that no one will EVER do it as well as Nigel did it. Perhaps not, but then I'd also argue that I can't ever see someone topping Danielson's reign as champion, or maybe not even this current Briscoes' run on top as World Tag Champions. I still believe it has to go on. Besides, watching Hero's antics at DBD V Night 1 makes me want to see him hold it BAD. Anyways, as for another change of heart I'll take Marcus Cor Von. I hated him in TNA. HATED. HIM. His mic work made me change the channel (literally) and his in ring work was not anything I cared for. In his short WWE run however? Fantastic. I was very disappointed he had to be let go. Though for reasons I totally understand. |
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Post by KLRA on Nov 9, 2007 10:08:51 GMT -5
The thing about the Pure Title is that no one will EVER do it as well as Nigel did it. Perhaps not, but then I'd also argue that I can't ever see someone topping Danielson's reign as champion, or maybe not even this current Briscoes' run on top as World Tag Champions. I still believe it has to go on. Besides, watching Hero's antics at DBD V Night 1 makes me want to see him hold it BAD. Anyways, as for another change of heart I'll take Marcus Cor Von. I hated him in TNA. HATED. HIM. His mic work made me change the channel (literally) and his in ring work was not anything I cared for. In his short WWE run however? Fantastic. I was very disappointed he had to be let go. Though for reasons I totally understand. Well people thought that the Generation Next run of Aries/Strong could never be topped and now we have this Briscoe's run. Part of the fun of ROH is seeing how they top themselves. Totally agree on Cor Von though. Thought he was 100% GOLD in WWE. |
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Nov 9, 2007 10:09:39 GMT -5
The thing about the Pure Title is that no one will EVER do it as well as Nigel did it. Perhaps not, but then I'd also argue that I can't ever see someone topping Danielson's reign as champion, or maybe not even this current Briscoes' run on top as World Tag Champions. I still believe it has to go on. Besides, watching Hero's antics at DBD V Night 1 makes me want to see him hold it BAD. While no one may top the Briscoes or Danielson, the thing about it is that the Pure Title has its own stipulations and its own uniqueness, and Nigel took full advantage of it during his reign. Another name for me. Umaga. Couldn't stand him in 2006; gained a deep appreciation for him after the Royal Rumble match with Cena. |
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Post by invaderdave on Nov 9, 2007 10:22:58 GMT -5
I'll say MVP. He's actually a candidate for my most improved wrestler of the year.
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Post by Godhand on Nov 9, 2007 16:32:23 GMT -5
Hmm I'm going to go with Danielson.
After hearing all the hype surrounding him I assumed he was the most over rated guy ever. I also figured his style would be really boring and that he had no personality or Mic skills.
After seeing a bunch of his matches though I have to agree he is the Best in th world.
A better example would be with Chris Hero.
Based on his 04 and 05 czw matches I thought he was a sloppy obnoxious wrestler. the Kings of wrestling, roh/czw feud, and the Kingston/Hero feud completely changed my views on Hero.
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 9, 2007 16:39:24 GMT -5
Have to say Savage for me. I was a little mark and hated him. First with George Steele, and the topper was deffinately crushing Steamboats throat. Then he turned face and I have loved his characters ever since. Well except for his run in WCW
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 9, 2007 16:42:18 GMT -5
Hmm I'm going to go with Danielson. After hearing all the hype surrounding him I assumed he was the most over rated guy ever. I also figured his style would be really boring and that he had no personality or Mic skills. After seeing a bunch of his matches though I have to agree he is the Best in th world. A better example would be with Chris Hero. Based on his 04 and 05 czw matches I thought he was a sloppy obnoxious wrestler. the Kings of wrestling, roh/czw feud, and the Kingston/Hero feud completely changed my views on Hero. Wow, you pretty much had what I was going to say. ;D Mark Henry, kind of. He's still not very good at all, but a few matches with Kane have gone better than I thought Henry had in him, even with a vet like Kane. |
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Post by samachine on Nov 9, 2007 17:22:13 GMT -5
Naruki Doi, boy he was bland as 'baseball superstar', but James Storm is my number one choice, by miles
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