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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 15, 2007 12:20:41 GMT -5
i don't understand the "it should be on pay per view because it was a tournament" argument. where did this precedent come from? can anyone give a reason why a tournament should not build up to a match on impact? as has been pointed out even sting/angle was on an impact.
tna does something great in pushing a young talented and reasonably charismatic guy further towards the main event scene, giving him a big boost and all people can talk about is the fact that his match with the number one guy in the company will be free to watch.
are people just running out of things to complain about?
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Post by Michael Coello on Nov 15, 2007 12:23:21 GMT -5
Hey!
Remember the Gold Rush tournament after Mania 21? Edge won that, with help from the recently heel Lita, over Kane? Guess where he cashed in his shot?
ON FREE TV!
Plus, Edge was a bigger star than Kaz, but he still got it on TV, not at the PPV.
Seriously, who cares? As long as it's good, it's all good.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 15, 2007 12:34:23 GMT -5
i don't understand the "it should be on pay per view because it was a tournament" argument. where did this precedent come from? can anyone give a reason why a tournament should not build up to a match on impact? as has been pointed out even sting/angle was on an impact. tna does something great in pushing a young talented and reasonably charismatic guy further towards the main event scene, giving him a big boost and all people can talk about is the fact that his match with the number one guy in the company will be free to watch. It just makes it seem like it's not as big of a deal as originally expected. But it's really not a big deal. Like you said, Kaz isn't big enough yet to headline a PPV. I think maybe people just think the outcome on a PPV would be a lot less predictable, where on Impact they have a pretty good idea who's going over. (In the interest of not even hinting at spoilers (I haven't read them) I'm not going to elaborate any further.) Meh. They'll always find something.
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 15, 2007 12:42:08 GMT -5
are people just running out of things to complain about? The complaining about TNA is a Well that will never run dry. It would have been the best Impact ever.... but the lighting sucks. It would have liked that PPV but Kip James wears dumb pants so I give it a 1 Jay Lethal is a great Champion, but he lost a non-title match 2 months ago so he's being misused and buried. TNA is pushing Kaz, great, but on free TV? What a waste. It never ever eeeeeeeeeeeeeeever ends.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 15, 2007 12:54:34 GMT -5
Again, I'm citing a precedence. If you've only seen something once before you have a certain expectation. As it's happened only once, I don't see why TNA can't change it. It's not like it's prestigious as the Royal Rumble or anything. So if they have it on TV, I don't see a problem with it whatsoever. If it had happened 3 or 4 years in a row, and they decided to put it on TV, then maybe,but even then title matches aren't a rare occurence on TV. and that's another problem. X-Division or Tag Matches I can understand, but in most cases if you put the World title up for grabs the champ's going to retain. I feel like World Title defenses are PPV-only things, but that's me.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 15, 2007 12:57:54 GMT -5
As it's happened only once, I don't see why TNA can't change it. It's not like it's prestigious as the Royal Rumble or anything. So if they have it on TV, I don't see a problem with it whatsoever. If it had happened 3 or 4 years in a row, and they decided to put it on TV, then maybe,but even then title matches aren't a rare occurence on TV. and that's another problem. X-Division or Tag Matches I can understand, but in most cases if you put the World title up for grabs the champ's going to retain. I feel like World Title defenses are PPV-only things, but that's me. Well, they used to be, but since the MNW era, that's essentially a thing of the past. Maybe they ought to be, but as both promotions are trying to get more viewers and such, putting a big title match on TV doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 15, 2007 13:14:05 GMT -5
Kaz has come a long way, but his name doesn't sell PPVs yet.
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Post by greate on Nov 15, 2007 13:18:38 GMT -5
Today at 15:20, REDUNBECK~! wrote:Well that really makes the whole ridiculous tournament worth it. If you're gonna have a title match, do it on PPV. If you're #1 contender isn't PPV main event quality...why the smurf is he the #1 contender? Idiots. because they want to build him up to mainevent ppv level obviously. it takes time. you shouldn't win one tournament and go from bottom of the card to top. that would be silly. why should the only people who fight for the big belt have to do it in a ppv match?
Two sides of the coin here, obviously by being a #1 Contender because you won a tournament should be looked upon by fans as legit and there is nothing silly about that, its called a push thats how you elevate people.
On the other hand there is always the semi main event option, why not put these two before the main event like often happens with a challenger of less notoriety therefore it wont be the selling point of the PPV.
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Post by mysterydriver on Nov 15, 2007 13:26:40 GMT -5
Why should a winner of a tournament not be guarenteed a World Title match on PPV?
King Mabel vs. Diesel, anyone? And that's coming from a Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V fan.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 15, 2007 13:50:07 GMT -5
Why should a winner of a tournament not be guarenteed a World Title match on PPV? King Mabel vs. Diesel, anyone? And that's coming from a Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V fan. True, but then again more recently the Gold Rush Tournament with Edge winning and getting his title shot on TV a week or so after that, so it's not uncommon.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 15, 2007 14:02:09 GMT -5
Today at 15:20, REDUNBECK~! wrote:Well that really makes the whole ridiculous tournament worth it. If you're gonna have a title match, do it on PPV. If you're #1 contender isn't PPV main event quality...why the smurf is he the #1 contender? Idiots. because they want to build him up to mainevent ppv level obviously. it takes time. you shouldn't win one tournament and go from bottom of the card to top. that would be silly. why should the only people who fight for the big belt have to do it in a ppv match? Two sides of the coin here, obviously by being a #1 Contender because you won a tournament should be looked upon by fans as legit and there is nothing silly about that, its called a push thats how you elevate people. On the other hand there is always the semi main event option, why not put these two before the main event like often happens with a challenger of less notoriety therefore it wont be the selling point of the PPV. probably because they don't feel they have to put him in a pay per view match with kurt angle to get a rub. they could have kurt wrestle numerous times on a pay per view, but they did that not long ago. they could do as you suggest, but then they have to make a feud that is worthy of being more important than title for that pay per view. he is getting his title shot and is moving up the card by facing the top guy in the promotion. they are obviously not trying to push kaz past people like samoa (who i still consider the number one face of the promotion). they are simply trying to push him to upper mid card and this is a great way to do it. it almost certain he will eventually main event a pay per view, but he doesn't have to on his first match as a top of the card performer. they are developing him.
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Post by greate on Nov 15, 2007 14:48:50 GMT -5
True, but then again more recently the Gold Rush Tournament with Edge winning and getting his title shot on TV a week or so after that, so it's not uncommon.
True and i don't even remember who he beat in the finals or what the title match was like for the gold. Thats how lame it was, atleast Kaz went all the way with the finals being on PPV.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 15, 2007 14:50:21 GMT -5
True, but then again more recently the Gold Rush Tournament with Edge winning and getting his title shot on TV a week or so after that, so it's not uncommon. True and i don't even remember who he beat in the finals or what the title match was like for the gold. Thats how lame it was, atleast Kaz went all the way with the finals being on PPV. He beat Kane in the finals (I think) and had a very competitive match with Batista where a lot of people thought he'd lose the first match and then cash in his MITB and win the second one right there and then, but that scenario never took place.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 15, 2007 14:59:10 GMT -5
Kaz goes over Angle. But that's in match between Kaz Matsui and Eric Angle. I don't know what happens in Kazarian v King Kurt. Kaz has to fight King Curtis first? How will he ever be able to beat Kurt Angle???
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Nov 15, 2007 16:23:17 GMT -5
I think some people's happiness is complaining about every smurf-in thing.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Nov 15, 2007 23:13:33 GMT -5
Storyline wise, I thought that the winner of the Fight for the Right tournament got to choose when they wanted their shot, so it would have been Kaz who chose to have the match on the Impact after Genesis.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 15, 2007 23:22:05 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping for a storyline like that with Edge and Cena a few years back; a) not hot shooting it, b) Kaz waiting until Angle was weaker. Alas TNA didn't do as good a job handling this type of situation as WWE did; props to WWE on this one.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 16, 2007 9:04:23 GMT -5
very nice match.
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