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Post by voiceboxisback on Nov 24, 2007 19:36:59 GMT -5
I bring them up only because they're in a ring. What's so horrible about my idea? Imagine, real wrestling, two men seeing who the better man is, trying to sink a pinfall or a submission hold. It'd be great! No it wouldn't, why would you ask for people's opinion, if you are dead set on your own approval of it? Looks like someone loves attention and is so desperate that he must seek validation from peers he's never met and never will meet, sad....
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Post by Johnny on Nov 24, 2007 20:30:50 GMT -5
This happened in the early 2000s. Three five minute rounds and everything. Curt Hennig was in it from the reports I read. You can get it for like 3 dollars at Wal Mart.
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Post by destrucity on Nov 24, 2007 23:13:39 GMT -5
I am having some bad Brawl for All flashbacks
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Post by KB Klash is nWo 4 Life on Nov 25, 2007 1:04:24 GMT -5
I dont know why everyone is crapping on this idea. They're basically saying have MMA fights where you can win by pinfall. I've often watched UFC matches where I wished they would be allowed to pin the guy. I think that it would stop one of the most boring parts of UFC by disallowing the person on his back to just lay there.
Also getting out of the ring for a 20 count would be interesting as well. I hadnt really thought of that but that sounds cool too....it might make the matches last too long though...
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 25, 2007 2:09:48 GMT -5
Piledrivers have often been used in MMA yeah and you're talking pancrace. Bob Sapp has used the piledriver against Big Nog knocking him loopy. Oh and I'd say that It can be good if done right. Pancrace was awesome because of El Guapo and the Shamrocks. Bas is just so bad ass. I've seen German suplexes, backdrop drivers, Powerbombs, DDT's, and spinebusters put to use in MMA to maximum effect. Inoki has a worked-shoot company going on right now in Japan, I believe the IGF, where Lesnar and Angle just had there last match together.... For example, Rampage did one of the sickest Powerbomb/Slam KO's I've ever seen in Pride against Ricardo Arona while Jackson was stuck in Arona's arm triangle, not to mention Kevin Randleman's infamous "Murderplex" on Fedor. The sickest powerbomb ever: The "Murderplex", and yes Fedor was fine and came back to win the fight in brutal fashion: Now, what was that about MMA being boring? Just gotta point out that Both Rampage and Randleman are HUGE wrestling fans. Also Randleman since Pride has closed it doors in Japan, has been doing GREAT things with HUSTLE
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 25, 2007 9:30:34 GMT -5
KB Clash seems to get the idea. squizz and johnny don't seem to. If there were rounds, it wouldn't be the same rules as Pro Wrestling. And it wouldn't be like ameture wrestling because certain strikes and submissions woud be allowed. It'd be more like hybrid wrestling than anything.l
I don't understand how someone can be a fan of pro wrestling, and not want to see it done for real as an actual competition, or a fan of both pro wrestling and MMA, yet not like to see a hybridization. Alot of people are crapping on the idea, but not really saying why. I have a feeling alot of these people don't understand what I'm saying. I can fully accept others opinions, but what I'm looking for is the why.
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Post by KB Klash is nWo 4 Life on Nov 25, 2007 12:15:54 GMT -5
Ive always thought that pinfalls would make UFC more interesting.
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Post by acressl on Nov 25, 2007 12:25:44 GMT -5
You could probably set it up like a more traditional competetive martial arts though with point scores and stoppages and such. I've seen ex-pro wrestlers successfully incorporate wrestling skills into MMA. (infrequently as they're not often practical) But then, that's part of what makes them so cool. Alexander Otsuka is my favorite. He'll just do random off the wall wrestling moves or posturing and whereas he's never been overly successfull, he always entertains.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 25, 2007 12:43:58 GMT -5
Stoppages, of course, would be necessary. You can only take som nay unanswered elbows to the head before permanent damages ensues. But no rounds, no points. Time limits are fine, but if it espires, the match is always a draw.
Strikes would be allowed, but limited. no closed-fist punches, only open fist punches, forearms, and forward elbow blows. No heel kicls or toe kicks, only flat-foot and top-foot kicks. Wrestling boots would have to be worn, or you could be barefoot. Choking would be illegal past a 5 count. Holds and pins would be broken upon either person touching the ropes or going outside the ring. pinching, biting, and low blows would be illegal. A 3 count pinfall or a submission would win the match. I suppose a knockout could too. And countouts of course, if someone's out of the ring and can't get back in. Unlike pro wrestling, the rules would still apply outside the ring, so no weapons or anything just because your outside the ropes. You could use the ropes and turnbuckles to your advantade, whipping your opponent into them or jumping off of them, though it would have limited uses. There would be potential for tag-team matches and 3 way matches and even battle royals, all done as shoots. And, like in pro wrestling, the goal isn't to hurt your opponent, but, unlike pro wrestling, your goal is to win. It would be incredible, and I'd watch it as often as possible.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2007 13:00:35 GMT -5
Ive always thought that pinfalls would make UFC more interesting. Yeah, but it would hurt the usefulness of the guillotine choke.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 25, 2007 17:04:26 GMT -5
Chokes are disalowed in pro wrestling anyways. However, isn't the guillotine technically a strangle hold anyways, as it cuts of blood to the brain rather than constricts the throat? If that's the case, it'd be allowed. You'd just have to do it with a shoulder up.
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Post by voiceboxisback on Nov 25, 2007 17:12:37 GMT -5
Chokes are disalowed in pro wrestling anyways. However, isn't the guillotine technically a strangle hold anyways, as it cuts of blood to the brain rather than constricts the throat? If that's the case, it'd be allowed. You'd just have to do it with a shoulder up. You can't really do it properly with shoulders up. This idea would be flawed because 1) it would take away a lot of holds that make MMA great 2) it takes away moves that make pro wrestling great
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Post by Square on Nov 25, 2007 17:15:12 GMT -5
Tag Team MMA could be cool, like after every round you can swap.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 25, 2007 17:34:40 GMT -5
Ive always thought that pinfalls would make UFC more interesting. I really don't it takes away a lot of the submission holds of judo and bjj. Pinfalls would make the matches more or less wrestling bouts, and those guys with Wrestling Backgrounds from NCAA would be more dominant. Pinning is not winning a fight, MMA is a fight, pinning does take skill, but it produces a more boring fight.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 25, 2007 17:37:30 GMT -5
Tag Team MMA could be cool, like after every round you can swap. this is so stupid, so would a triple threat real fight. gah. Tag TEam MMA would be rediculous I like the way that IFL does it with teams though it brings different sort of team aspect. In that members of the team have to win this many fights to win the match. That's what i like. Tag Team shoot-fighting sounds rediculous.
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Post by voiceboxisback on Nov 25, 2007 17:40:14 GMT -5
Tag Team MMA could be cool, like after every round you can swap. this is so stupid, so would a triple threat real fight. gah. Tag TEam MMA would be rediculous I like the way that IFL does it with teams though it brings different sort of team aspect. In that members of the team have to win this many fights to win the match. That's what i like. Tag Team shoot-fighting sounds rediculous. Indeed it does, just a dumb idea all around
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 25, 2007 18:18:49 GMT -5
Why would a tag team shoot wrestling match be bad? If you're in trouble, and you can get to your corner, you tag out, just like in a pro wrestling match. There are no rounds, and no switching off between. You'd have to limit double teaming more than they do in pro wrestling, as it would be easy to injure someone two on one.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Nov 25, 2007 18:55:21 GMT -5
This is the most awful idea ever. I'm not even gonna validate that with words, because I think the idea says everything on it's own.
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Post by voiceboxisback on Nov 25, 2007 19:03:05 GMT -5
Why would a tag team shoot wrestling match be bad? If you're in trouble, and you can get to your corner, you tag out, just like in a pro wrestling match. There are no rounds, and no switching off between. You'd have to limit double teaming more than they do in pro wrestling, as it would be easy to injure someone two on one. Because it'd be boring, people constantly running over to the corner to tag out to avoid KO, lack of submissions involving you to be on your back would only increase the amount of tag outs, and not to mention unfair. The fights would be constantly tag outs, so give up on trying to persuade us, you've got your answer, consensus says it's a horrible idea.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Nov 25, 2007 19:05:37 GMT -5
Why would a tag team shoot wrestling match be bad? If you're in trouble, and you can get to your corner, you tag out, just like in a pro wrestling match. There are no rounds, and no switching off between. You'd have to limit double teaming more than they do in pro wrestling, as it would be easy to injure someone two on one. Because it'd be boring, people constantly running over to the corner to tag out to avoid KO, lack of submissions involving you to be on your back would only increase the amount of tag outs, and not to mention unfair. The fights would be constantly tag outs, so give up on trying to persuade us, you've got your answer, consensus says it's a horrible idea. This is all assuming that the idiots who would be dumb enough to take part in this would have any type of fighting ability or training. Actual MMA fighters would never waste time with this, and destroy their credibility.
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