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Post by dannyrctv on Dec 12, 2007 0:53:53 GMT -5
What I mean since the 90's I notice when a wrestlers taps out/submits/gives up these days they pound the mat with their hand.back in my day(70's and 80's) they usually shook their heads "yes" when the ref asked if they wanted to give up or pointed while nodding their head.
I was just watching the first Flair/Steamboat title match in '89 on the "Stars of the 80's" DVD.I hadn't watched this match since I seen the live PPV back then.Steamboat is hitting his hand on the mat when put in the figure 4.Todays wrestling fan would think he was tapping but no he was just pounding the mat in pain while telling the ref "No" he won't give up.In fact That term "Tap out" wasn't used back then.
So when did that start? I must've missed something and Damn!Am I OLD!!!
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Post by The Line on Dec 12, 2007 0:55:18 GMT -5
I think it was around the time of Shamrock entering WWF/MMA getting really popular.
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Post by Agent P on Dec 12, 2007 0:56:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it was Shamrock.
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 12, 2007 0:58:38 GMT -5
By some accounts, Taz was doing it in ECW around the same time, and possibly before Shamrock, though you'll need a true ECW expert to confirm or disconfirm.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 1:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 12, 2007 1:09:05 GMT -5
I remember Summerslam 05 HBK had Hogan in some submission move (cant remember which, prolly the Sharpshooter), and Hogan started hitting his hand on the mat in pain and stuff. The announcers didnt really know how to cover it...
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Dec 12, 2007 1:13:16 GMT -5
Taz definitely did it before Shamrock even came to the WWF. I'm fairly certain that he started it when he came back from his neck injury in 1996.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 12, 2007 1:15:11 GMT -5
I remember Summerslam 05 HBK had Hogan in some submission move (cant remember which, prolly the Sharpshooter), and Hogan started hitting his hand on the mat in pain and stuff. The announcers didnt really know how to cover it... Whole forearm, or just the hand? That might be the difference. Isn't that the convention in MMA anyways? |
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Dec 12, 2007 1:15:27 GMT -5
The first time I remember it was in Ken Shamrock's debut match--a "shoot fight" with Vader at In Your House in, I believe, May 1997.
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 12, 2007 10:29:08 GMT -5
I believe that Taz started it in ECW. He is who I heard was credited for it
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Post by savetna on Dec 12, 2007 11:42:35 GMT -5
It is claimed on the rise and fall of ECW dvd that Taz started the tap out thing as in the tazmission it was impossible to nodd your head or say "i quit".
Does anyone know if any form of ultimate fighting used tap out before this? My MMA fighting friend seems to think not
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Dec 12, 2007 11:45:11 GMT -5
I remember Summerslam 05 HBK had Hogan in some submission move (cant remember which, prolly the Sharpshooter), and Hogan started hitting his hand on the mat in pain and stuff. The announcers didnt really know how to cover it... Whole forearm, or just the hand? That might be the difference. Isn't that the convention in MMA anyways? No, in MMA it's not like that. The MMA tap out and the fake tap out are two different things. In MMA you simply lightly tap your hand four times or so (enough to let them now), and it's more like your golf clapping. And you normally don't tap the mat, you tap on the arm, leg etc of the guy submitting you, that way he knows you give and can break the hold to avoid serious damage. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 12, 2007 11:45:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it was kind of a 1-2 punch of Taz doing it first in ECW, then Shamrock came in pretty much right behind him and started it in WWF. Then it just got popular all over.
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Post by x on Dec 12, 2007 11:47:04 GMT -5
Taz did it way back in old ECW. But it debuted in WWF when Shamrock made his debut in street clothes and Billy Gunn came out and talked shit. Shamrock put him in an ankle lock and Gunn tapped.
Go watch the Shamrock interview from WrestleMania 13.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 12, 2007 12:17:32 GMT -5
all throughout the wwe/ecw feud of 2006, joey styles used to brag about taz "inventing" tapping out, although i know shamrock at least started tapping people out around the same time.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 12:22:54 GMT -5
all throughout the wwe/ecw feud of 2006, joey styles used to brag about taz "inventing" tapping out, although i know shamrock at least started tapping people out around the same time. Not really, Taz started it in early 96 and even had a feud with some MMA fighter called Paul Varleans at one of the ECW Supercards in mid 96, long before Shamrock came to WWF. |
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Dec 12, 2007 13:02:34 GMT -5
Shamrock and Saito Benkei once got in a time machine and went back the time so of the dinosaurs and taught them mixed martial arts. So he actually invented tapping out when he submitted a T-rex and it flailed its little girly arms. He also taught them slavery and there was a dinosaur civil war over it, which they all killed each other with nukes, thus making them extinct.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 12, 2007 13:15:48 GMT -5
Shamrock and Saito Benkei once got in a time machine and went back the time so of the dinosaurs and taught them mixed martial arts. So he actually invented tapping out when he submitted a T-rex and it flailed its little girly arms. He also taught them slavery and there was a dinosaur civil war over it, which they all killed each other with nukes, thus making them extinct. Your public school funding at work, ladies and gentlemen.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 13:18:24 GMT -5
all throughout the wwe/ecw feud of 2006, joey styles used to brag about taz "inventing" tapping out, although i know shamrock at least started tapping people out around the same time. Not really, Taz started it in early 96 and even had a feud with some MMA fighter called Paul Varleans at one of the ECW Supercards in mid 96, long before Shamrock came to WWF. Early-1995: Taz and Jason (The Sexiest Man On Earth) Knight had problems with each other while he was still Tazmaniac (kayfabe or otherwise; I think 2 Cold Scorpio was involved somehow as well, but not positive). Taz got hurt in that match in Florida and couldn't wrestle, so there was no blow-off to this feud. October 7th 1995: Taz was brought back as a special referee in a match between Jason & Konnan. Taz asked if both wrestlers were ready and Jason started talking smack. Taz popped him in the mouth and started the match. Konnan won, then Jason was whining about how "his face will never be the same" after Taz punched him; even threatening to "sue him". Taz got mad and threw him around with a couple of suplexes, then locked on the Tazmission. Jason flailed about, then slapped Taz on the shoulder a few times to indicate a "tap out". This was the first "tap-out" I can remember in wrestling. And I did it all off of the top of my head. (Okay, weird. For some reason the WIA says Taz beat Jason, but I specifically remember Taz as the referee and Konnan won a 30 second match. I got the TV tapes from Sept-Nov 1995.) |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 13:33:25 GMT -5
Not really, Taz started it in early 96 and even had a feud with some MMA fighter called Paul Varleans at one of the ECW Supercards in mid 96, long before Shamrock came to WWF. Early-1995: Taz and Jason (The Sexiest Man On Earth) Knight had problems with each other while he was still Tazmaniac (kayfabe or otherwise; I think 2 Cold Scorpio was involved somehow as well, but not positive). Taz got hurt in that match in Florida and couldn't wrestle, so there was no blow-off to this feud. October 7th 1995: Taz was brought back as a special referee in a match between Jason & Konnan. Taz asked if both wrestlers were ready and Jason started talking smack. Taz popped him in the mouth and started the match. Konnan won, then Jason was whining about how "his face will never be the same" after Taz punched him; even threatening to "sue him". Taz got mad and threw him around with a couple of suplexes, then locked on the Tazmission. Jason flailed about, then slapped Taz on the shoulder a few times to indicate a "tap out". This was the first "tap-out" I can remember in wrestling. And I did it all off of the top of my head. (Okay, weird. For some reason the WIA says Taz beat Jason, but I specifically remember Taz as the referee and Konnan won a 30 second match. I got the TV tapes from Sept-Nov 1995.) I forgot about that angle, but the main thing was ECW did it before WCW/WWF did. |
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