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Post by Lionheart on Dec 24, 2007 11:23:06 GMT -5
We all know that whenever the goal is to make a heel win without looking good or there's a need for a weak ending to a match for some other reason, the three-count comes on a roll-up. The roll-up is "cheap," "flukey," etc.
My question is simply: why?
Why should getting a pinfall with a roll-up reflect badly on someone? If it's such a "cheap," basic move, shouldn't it reflect badly on someone who gets pinned with it for falling victim to such a weak maneuver?
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 24, 2007 11:37:43 GMT -5
Roll-Ups are the "sucker puncher's-luck" of pro-wrestling. If you're lucky you win with it. If you're not, you don't win. It's a move based more on luck (of catching the opponent unprepared) than on skill, thus one sees it as being "cheaper" than a normal win via finisher or submission or whatever.
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Post by jobberjoe on Dec 24, 2007 12:02:24 GMT -5
a win is a win
pass me the brass knucks when the ref ain't looking
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Post by Agent P on Dec 24, 2007 12:05:51 GMT -5
a win is a win pass me the brass knucks when the ref ain't looking As long as they aren't the Guinness Book Of World Record Holder for largest Brass Knux ever that Eric Bischoff used on Ric Flair at Starrcade 98. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 12:10:24 GMT -5
I simply love a well placed roll up out of nowhere for the victory...Brian Danielson perfected it so well we were calling him "Mr. Small Package" in Chicago..
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Post by jobber2thestars on Dec 24, 2007 12:11:41 GMT -5
I simply love a well placed roll up out of nowhere for the victory...Brian Danielson perfected it so well we were calling him "Mr. Small Package" in Chicago.. LOL @ Mr. Small Package |
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Dec 24, 2007 13:36:19 GMT -5
lol bret hart was the king of victory rolls
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Post by machinegun on Dec 24, 2007 13:49:16 GMT -5
They grab the tights
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Post by YouStayClassy on Dec 24, 2007 14:23:43 GMT -5
lol bret hart was the king of victory rolls Bret's victory roll kicked ass! He totally owned Bam Bam Bigelow with that move at King Of The Ring.... |
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Post by DSR on Dec 24, 2007 15:34:45 GMT -5
When it's the heel performing the roll-up, that's normally the case. Thus, the cheap victory. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 24, 2007 16:38:37 GMT -5
I simply love a well placed roll up out of nowhere for the victory...Brian Danielson perfected it so well we were calling him "Mr. Small Package" in Chicago.. Reminds me of "Man Up" when the announcer talked about how "Danielson has a very effective small package!" and just went on for about 2 or 3 sentences about Danielson's "small package." My uncle cracked up for a few minutes... |
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Post by Godhand on Dec 24, 2007 16:52:00 GMT -5
I simply love a well placed roll up out of nowhere for the victory...Brian Danielson perfected it so well we were calling him "Mr. Small Package" in Chicago.. Reminds me of "Man Up" when the announcer talked about how "Danielson has a very effective small package!" and just went on for about 2 or 3 sentences about Danielson's "small package." My uncle cracked up for a few minutes... If someone was talkin about my Small Package, I would beat the shit outta them. |
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Dec 24, 2007 17:00:09 GMT -5
a win is a win pass me the brass knucks when the ref ain't looking "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat." |
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Post by YouStayClassy on Dec 24, 2007 22:04:18 GMT -5
Sportz Entertainment has given roll ups a very bad name. When I think of all the garbage finishers over the past decade involving roll ups, my guts churn with rage.
During Samoa Joe's ROH Title reign, they booked roll ups as being his only real weakness, which was shockingly effective and genius at the same time.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 25, 2007 17:18:16 GMT -5
How about some other out-of-nowhere pinning move? Proponents of the backslide, unite!
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Post by acressl on Dec 25, 2007 17:45:48 GMT -5
How about some other out-of-nowhere pinning move? Proponents of the backslide, unite! I'm with you. The backslide is superior to the roll up and is never given the credit it deserves. Why roll behind a guy and pull him down by the legs when you could get behind him and roll him over your back? It's madness I tell you. |
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