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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 25, 2008 20:17:01 GMT -5
So I just read The Watchmen, and wow. This is flipping fantastic.
I strongly recommend it to comic/graphic novel lovers, though I'm sure you've all read it already. I catch on to great stuff late in the game.
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Post by The Raven on Jan 25, 2008 20:18:23 GMT -5
It's just called Watchmen BTW. But yeah, best thing I've ever read.
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Post by The Line on Jan 25, 2008 20:18:35 GMT -5
yeah, Watchmen is great. I went out and bought the book just based of reccomendations(which is something I don't do often) and I loved it.
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Post by The Raven on Jan 25, 2008 20:20:50 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way.
And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two?
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Post by algertman on Jan 25, 2008 20:24:21 GMT -5
well duh
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Post by The Line on Jan 25, 2008 20:25:32 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way. And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two? thats why the ending is so beautiful, especially for a "hero book".
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 25, 2008 20:26:27 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way. And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two? I still don't consider him the bad guy. Also, that ending did bug me a bit. I'm sure I'll feel differently next time, though.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 25, 2008 20:37:58 GMT -5
Rorschach wasn't necessarily the "bad guy" but Alan Moore said that Rorschach essentially wanted to die because his life was so miserable. Manhattan had to kill him for the greater good. That being said, Rorschach was deluded IMO to think that anyone would actually believe him if he told them about Veidt's plot.
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Post by rra on Jan 25, 2008 20:41:34 GMT -5
So I just read The Watchmen, and wow. This is flipping fantastic. I strongly recommend it to comic/graphic novel lovers, though I'm sure you've all read it already. I catch on to great stuff late in the game. Its cliche to say this, but.......its the greatest graphic novel ever penned. My favorite scene? "Oh Grow up."
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Post by B'Cup x on Jan 25, 2008 20:52:59 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way. And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two? ok, i havent read it in a while so if anything i say is wrong, please dont hold it against me. Rorschach isnt the bad guy, Ozymandias was. But Ozymandias actions delayed world war 3. It took the death of millions but it pretty much killed the inevitable which would have seen a lot more deaths. It was for the greater good. Rorshach saw this as wrong and saw it as something that needed to be known by the masses. Now had his message got out, those millions in new york would have died in vain and the war with Russia would be back on. Rorschach pretty much only saw in black and white and whilst he wasnt in the wrong, Dr Manhatten had to make the call and stop him.
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Post by B'Cup x on Jan 25, 2008 20:54:07 GMT -5
So I just read The Watchmen, and wow. This is flipping fantastic. I strongly recommend it to comic/graphic novel lovers, though I'm sure you've all read it already. I catch on to great stuff late in the game. Its cliche to say this, but.......its the greatest graphic novel ever penned. My favorite scene? "Oh Grow up." favourite scene for me is either Rorscachs "im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me" or the whole catching the bullet thing
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Post by rra on Jan 25, 2008 21:04:43 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way. And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two? Yes exactly, and really..........I wonder if Zach Snyder can even comprehend the thematic concept of allowing evil to prevail for the greater good. Yeah I know 300 was based on a simplistic book, but considering Snyder's garbage domestic subplot... I just don't have the confidence in him pulling off the nuances of Alan Moore's writings. ok, i havent read it in a while so if anything i say is wrong, please dont hold it against me. Rorschach isnt the bad guy, Ozymandias was. But Ozymandias actions delayed world war 3. It took the death of millions but it pretty much killed the inevitable which would have seen a lot more deaths. It was for the greater good. Rorshach saw this as wrong and saw it as something that needed to be known by the masses. Now had his message got out, those millions in new york would have died in vain and the war with Russia would be back on. Rorschach pretty much only saw in black and white and whilst he wasnt in the wrong, Dr Manhatten had to make the call and stop him.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jan 25, 2008 21:58:23 GMT -5
Screwed this up, nothing to see here.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jan 25, 2008 21:59:20 GMT -5
The first time I read it, the ending was sore with me, but the second time through, I grew to appreciate the whole thing and what was going on there. It couldn't have ended any other way. And I still say Rorschach was completely in the right to try to stop Adrian. He was the only one to stand up for his morales, and he's the bad guy of the two? ok, i havent read it in a while so if anything i say is wrong, please dont hold it against me. Rorschach isnt the bad guy, Ozymandias was. But Ozymandias actions delayed world war 3. It took the death of millions but it pretty much killed the inevitable which would have seen a lot more deaths. It was for the greater good. Rorshach saw this as wrong and saw it as something that needed to be known by the masses. Now had his message got out, those millions in new york would have died in vain and the war with Russia would be back on. Rorschach pretty much only saw in black and white and whilst he wasnt in the wrong, Dr Manhatten had to make the call and stop him. But the message still got out because he sent his journal to that one newspaper, and they were going to print it. Did Ozy actually accomplish anything? We're left to wonder, and that's why the ending is so brilliant.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jan 25, 2008 22:52:13 GMT -5
I have never seen Adrian Veidt as a bad guy. I like to compare his actions to the dropping of the atomic bombs to help end World War II. Yes, many people, most being inocent citizens, were killed, but it was for a greater goods.
Rorschach's death was the only way for the Alan Moore to end the characters story. Rorschach not only did not want to, but probably coulnd't live in a world where his morals were destroyed.
I'd be interested in knowing what ended-up happening with the whole Night Owl and Silk Spectre story.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jan 26, 2008 7:12:52 GMT -5
This is the first comic book (well, trade paperback)/graphic novel I ever read. That was four months ago. I now have approximately 50 trade paperbacks, as well as all the issues of the current JSA series.
This is the comic that made mea fan.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jan 26, 2008 7:32:16 GMT -5
The point is, there's no good guy, there's no bad guy, there's just a bunch of philosophical points standing in opposition - Ozymandias thinks he's doing good, Raw Shark (yes, that's my favourite little bit of the whole book) can take no other course of action that the one that he takes, Dr. Manhattan is a godlike being coerced into coming down to interfere at our level, and realising it's not the path for him... and Nite Owl? He's us... and he gets the girl.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 26, 2008 15:46:18 GMT -5
I have never seen Adrian Veidt as a bad guy. I like to compare his actions to the dropping of the atomic bombs to help end World War II. Yes, many people, most being inocent citizens, were killed, but it was for a greater goods. Rorschach's death was the only way for the Alan Moore to end the characters story. Rorschach not only did not want to, but probably coulnd't live in a world where his morals were destroyed. I'd be interested in knowing what ended-up happening with the whole Night Owl and Silk Spectre story. They assumed new names and got married. Dan Dreiberg was cool. I loved the Owlship ;D
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Post by rra on Jan 26, 2008 15:50:35 GMT -5
I have never seen Adrian Veidt as a bad guy. I like to compare his actions to the dropping of the atomic bombs to help end World War II. Yes, many people, most being inocent citizens, were killed, but it was for a greater goods. Rorschach's death was the only way for the Alan Moore to end the characters story. Rorschach not only did not want to, but probably coulnd't live in a world where his morals were destroyed. I'd be interested in knowing what ended-up happening with the whole Night Owl and Silk Spectre story. They assumed new names and got married. Dan Dreiberg was cool. I loved the Owlship ;D I still remember when Paul Greengrass was to shoot the WATCHMEN movie, and he wanted Catherine Keener and John Cusack for Silk Spectre and Nite Owl. That would have so worked,... Now do some of you not blame me for being not exactly the most excited about the Snyder project?
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jan 26, 2008 15:55:35 GMT -5
I have the lowest possible hopes for the film. I don't think it's possible to get this book into one two-hour feature, or whatever.
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