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Post by Mac on Apr 24, 2008 18:04:42 GMT -5
To be fair though, I don't think any of the guys in this thread (well except that banned moron) would go to an autistic or mentally handicapped kid and call them a retard. My gf's son is autistic and we never really get anyone going out of their way to say that. I mean, I get the idea of the thread, but the only real people calling mentally challenged people retards are pretty much the definition of the word idiot. The definition of the word "idiot" dates back to early psychology when the mentally defecent or what people refer to as "retards" where deemed "Moron" "Idiot" or "Imbecile" So the definition of idiot is actually "mentally retarded" Its the evolution of the word like states earlier. You won't find anybody calling someone with a mental handicap a "moron" these days (hopefully) and Im sure years from now "retard" won't even be thought of dealing with people with mental handicaps. Sorry, needed to put my parents college Psych degree money to work for once. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:05:11 GMT -5
I always thought it was spelled squaw. Hehe. Thats how much I care about the word. I don't even care enough to spell it right. I'm also surprised no ones mentioned the saying about arguments on the internet. Well Slim banned that one guy before he could. ;D |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:06:09 GMT -5
To be fair though, I don't think any of the guys in this thread (well except that banned moron) would go to an autistic or mentally handicapped kid and call them a retard. My gf's son is autistic and we never really get anyone going out of their way to say that. I mean, I get the idea of the thread, but the only real people calling mentally challenged people retards are pretty much the definition of the word idiot. The definition of the word "idiot" dates back to early psychology when the mentally defecent or what people refer to as "retards" where deemed "Moron" "Idiot" or "Imbecile" So the definition of idiot is actually "mentally retarded" Its the evolution of the word like states earlier. You won't find anybody calling someone with a mental handicap a "moron" these days (hopefully) and Im sure years from now "retard" won't even be thought of dealing with people with mental handicaps. Sorry, needed to put my parents college Psych degree money to work for once. No apologies needed. You're right. |
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Post by Throwback on Apr 24, 2008 18:06:11 GMT -5
To be fair though, I don't think any of the guys in this thread (well except that banned moron) would go to an autistic or mentally handicapped kid and call them a retard. My gf's son is autistic and we never really get anyone going out of their way to say that. I mean, I get the idea of the thread, but the only real people calling mentally challenged people retards are pretty much the definition of the word idiot. exactly my point. and in either of those examples was somebody called a retard they just said it around people who are special needs. but people think it's ok because they are behind a computer screen. how do you know people hear aren't special needs? in that case people are coming into a room with people that have special needs and just chucking the word out like it means nothing. JUST LIKE in the two examples I provided. |
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2008 18:07:57 GMT -5
Offensive when Americans say it. I'm not American. it says right in the quote it cheifly used by french canadians. Did you even read what I said? With your logic, if it's hurtful, the context that it is used in doesn't matter. You even said it yourself! Context means nothing when it's a hurtfull slur. |
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Apr 24, 2008 18:10:07 GMT -5
i dont like that word etiehr
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2008 18:10:50 GMT -5
i dont like that word etiehr thanks for the info. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:11:07 GMT -5
To be fair though, I don't think any of the guys in this thread (well except that banned moron) would go to an autistic or mentally handicapped kid and call them a retard. My gf's son is autistic and we never really get anyone going out of their way to say that. I mean, I get the idea of the thread, but the only real people calling mentally challenged people retards are pretty much the definition of the word idiot. exactly my point. and in either of those examples was somebody called a retard they just said it around people who are special needs. but people think it's ok because they are behind a computer screen. how do you know people hear aren't special needs? in that case people are coming into a room with people that have special needs and just chucking the word out like it means nothing. JUST LIKE in the two examples I provided. I see your point, but unless you really met that person, you never know on here. But the consequences online are so much different than in the real world. I also think a lot of people are playing a persona online as well as a temporary escape from the real world. Not everyone of course, but for a lot of people sure. |
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Post by Throwback on Apr 24, 2008 18:12:29 GMT -5
Offensive when Americans say it. I'm not American. it says right in the quote it cheifly used by french canadians. Did you even read what I said? With your logic, if it's hurtful, the context that it is used in doesn't matter. You even said it yourself! Context means nothing when it's a hurtfull slur. Except it's only hurtful to Canadians when used by an American. I'm Canadian. I once again point out chris rock and micheal richards. one is a millionaire for saying n****r and the other was threatened for using it. |
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Post by the threadkiller on Apr 24, 2008 18:13:41 GMT -5
As far as music goes, ritard means to slow.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Apr 24, 2008 18:13:55 GMT -5
Did you even read what I said? With your logic, if it's hurtful, the context that it is used in doesn't matter. You even said it yourself! Except it's only hurtful to Canadians when used by an American. I'm Canadian. I once again point out chris rock and micheal richards. one is a millionaire for saying n****r and the other was threatened for using it. To be fair, Chris Rock says it the cool way. With an 'a' on the end. |
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Post by Throwback on Apr 24, 2008 18:14:03 GMT -5
exactly my point. and in either of those examples was somebody called a retard they just said it around people who are special needs. but people think it's ok because they are behind a computer screen. how do you know people hear aren't special needs? in that case people are coming into a room with people that have special needs and just chucking the word out like it means nothing. JUST LIKE in the two examples I provided. I see your point, but unless you really met that person, you never know on here. But the consequences online are so much different than in the real world. I also think a lot of people are playing a persona online as well as a temporary escape from the real world. Not everyone of course, but for a lot of people sure. Now how would you feel if I let the cat out of the bag and told you I was special needs and have been called retarded on here? would it change anything? probably not. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:14:06 GMT -5
A lot of good points from both sides, and I'm glad this hasn't turned into a flamefest.
I really think there's no real black and white to this issue though, just shades of gray.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Apr 24, 2008 18:14:46 GMT -5
A lot of good points from both sides, and I'm glad this hasn't turned into a flamefest. I really think there's no real black and white to this issue though, just shades of gray. Why you gotta go all racist on this? [/sarcasm] |
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2008 18:15:31 GMT -5
Except it's only hurtful to Canadians when used by an American. I'm Canadian. You said no matter what context it is used in, the word is offensive. You then say that even though kanuck can be offensive, that since you're using it in a different context, it's fine and dandy. You have backed yourself into a corner. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:16:17 GMT -5
I see your point, but unless you really met that person, you never know on here. But the consequences online are so much different than in the real world. I also think a lot of people are playing a persona online as well as a temporary escape from the real world. Not everyone of course, but for a lot of people sure. Now how would you feel if I let the cat out of the bag and told you I was special needs and have been called retarded on here? would it change anything? probably not. Did the other person know though? I like you, but I don't know you, just what I see on this forum. I don't get easily offended (not saying you do), so if someone calls me a retard, I don't care. Now if they called my stepson one, I'll beat the shit out of them. |
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Post by Throwback on Apr 24, 2008 18:16:40 GMT -5
A lot of good points from both sides, and I'm glad this hasn't turned into a flamefest. I really think there's no real black and white to this issue though, just shades of gray. oh yeah definatly. I mean there have been a few flame posts but the mature people just ignored them and kept going. I honestly want to thank people for not tearing me apart because of my views. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 24, 2008 18:17:47 GMT -5
A lot of good points from both sides, and I'm glad this hasn't turned into a flamefest. I really think there's no real black and white to this issue though, just shades of gray. oh yeah definatly. I mean there have been a few flame posts but the mature people just ignored them and kept going. I honestly want to thank people for not tearing me apart because of my views. Only two things are your and yours alone. Your opinions and your mistakes. We all have them and to mock someone for either is stupid. |
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Post by the threadkiller on Apr 24, 2008 18:18:29 GMT -5
Also, if Canuck is a negative word, then why is a pro hockey team named that? Am I not allowed to say the name merely because I'm American? I get both points, honestly I do, but when it comes down to it it's just an argument of semantics. I kind of compare it to my grandmother, from time to time she still uses racially unacceptable terms, but it's only because that was the normal term of her day. I think with words like gay and retarded, we have just grown up saying it. (not saying it's right or wrong) But long story short, habits are hard to change, and whether you make good points or not, some people will use it and some won't
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 24, 2008 18:19:01 GMT -5
oh yeah definatly. I mean there have been a few flame posts but the mature people just ignored them and kept going. I honestly want to thank people for not tearing me apart because of my views. Only two things are your and yours alone. Your opinions and your mistakes. We all have them and to mock someone for either is stupid. Exactly. |
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