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Post by tna on May 11, 2008 2:53:58 GMT -5
Seriously, this dude is a great writer. I don't even like Superman and I'd rank All Star Superman amongst the best comics ever written.
I can't wait for Final Crisis. It's going to be brilliant.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on May 11, 2008 3:13:02 GMT -5
I loved his runs on "Doom Patrol" and "Animal Man". "We3" was also amazing. And his "All Star Superman" is must-read material. But I feel that when he tries to write major characters within continuity, the company ends up intercoursing everything by ignoring or re-writing things (like when Marvel brought back Magneto...  ) I, too, am looking forward to Final Crisis, but I just know that DC will screw it up when he's done. |
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Post by sunwukong on May 11, 2008 3:15:34 GMT -5
I loved his runs on "Doom Patrol" and "Animal Man". "We3" was also amazing. And his "All Star Superman" is must-read material. But I feel that when he tries to write major characters within continuity, the company ends up intercoursing everything by ignoring or re-writing things (like when Marvel brought back Magneto... ) I, too, am looking forward to Final Crisis, but I just know that DC will screw it up when he's done. What Marvel did after his X-Men run really killed my brain. His take was brilliant, a complete reinvention that also remained true to the central conceit of the characters. Instead of taking that direction and developing it, as soon as he leaves they toss it all out the window and try to start over. And the X-Franchise (with the exception of X-Factor) has been treading water ever since. |
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Post by eJm on May 11, 2008 4:20:23 GMT -5
Agreed on All Star Superman. I have the first volume and reread it several times. The story is great, the art from Quitely is beautiful and it just feels really good.
And I've been more excited for Final Crisis since I read it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 11, 2008 13:48:42 GMT -5
I loved his runs on "Doom Patrol" and "Animal Man". "We3" was also amazing. And his "All Star Superman" is must-read material. But I feel that when he tries to write major characters within continuity, the company ends up intercoursing everything by ignoring or re-writing things (like when Marvel brought back Magneto... ) I, too, am looking forward to Final Crisis, but I just know that DC will screw it up when he's done. What Marvel did after his X-Men run really killed my brain. His take was brilliant, a complete reinvention that also remained true to the central conceit of the characters. Instead of taking that direction and developing it, as soon as he leaves they toss it all out the window and try to start over. And the X-Franchise (with the exception of X-Factor) has been treading water ever since. yeah that whole "Magneto can't be evil" fiat that Marvel has going (also applies to Dr. Doom to an extent) is just silly. I too am looking forward to Final Crisis. |
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Post by DSR on May 11, 2008 14:10:51 GMT -5
I think you meant "the art from Quitely" on that one.  |
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on May 11, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
What is with Marvel and the goddamn retconning!?
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Post by Smokey McTrees on May 11, 2008 14:32:43 GMT -5
...And water is wet.
But sometimes things like this do need to be restated.
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Post by paragon on May 11, 2008 15:05:36 GMT -5
What is with Marvel and the goddamn retconning!? What is with DC and the goddamn retconning!? Why do people act like only one company does this? |
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Post by eJm on May 11, 2008 15:21:12 GMT -5
I think you meant "the art from Quitely" on that one. So you be correct on that, sir. Take note that I am still a n00b to the comic book world. |
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Post by JMA on May 11, 2008 15:26:33 GMT -5
Love ASSM. I'm a big Superman fan and Grant gets the character in a way that few others do.
Looking forward to FINAL CRISIS.
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Post by Arturo Classico on May 11, 2008 19:53:05 GMT -5
Although Morrison has awesome ideas and is a great storytelling I feel he's someone to allow him to write his own original ideas (The Invisibles, We3) or to reinvent a failing series (Doom Patrol, JLA) . Other than that he just doesn't work out since he has no sense of continuity so I don't blame Marvel or DC to doing a retcon. I mean making Magneto Xorn was really silly and I don't know about the stuff that he's done with Batman (excluding Arkham Asylum) all which has been a little to out there for me, All in all though I think he is good but is also someone incapable of following other people's continuity.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2008 18:42:26 GMT -5
What is with Marvel and the goddamn retconning!? What is with DC and the goddamn retconning!? Why do people act like only one company does this? I think it's because most of DC's more recent retconning has been "under the hood" stuff, so to speak, while Marvel made two of the most insulting "magic wand" retcons in recent memory (Xorneto, One More Day). plus as good as Secret Invasion sounds, I keep feeling like it's going to be more of the same. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 12, 2008 19:20:18 GMT -5
What is with DC and the goddamn retconning!? Why do people act like only one company does this? I think it's because most of DC's more recent retconning has been "under the hood" stuff, so to speak, while Marvel made two of the most insulting "magic wand" retcons in recent memory (Xorneto, One More Day). plus as good as Secret Invasion sounds, I keep feeling like it's going to be more of the same. SPOILERS FROM SECRET INVASION So far, the "retcons" in Secret Invasion have been more intriguing (Did Elektra ever actually come back from the dead? How did Skrulls like "Pym" and "Black Bolt" shape the current state of the Universe?) or low-key characters (I thought the real Mockingbird's reveal was really well-done). They already killed off one of the more irritating Skrull possiblites (Spidey Skrull). In my book, the only 3 characters they could reveal to be Skrulls that would be huge, cop-out retcons would be Wolverine (he's a man of mystery again!), Iron Man (I started a civil war? Pour me a drink, will ya?) or Captain America (Dead? You're kidding me!). Winter Soldier would be pretty lame too, but considering how well Brubaker handled the switch from Cap to Bucky, and the huge shot in the arm Iron Man got from the movie, I'd figure they're all safe. ANYWAYS, Grant Morrison is the shizz. The page in the last All-Star Superman where he stops the Goth girl from jumping off the building is beautiful. |
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Post by paragon on May 12, 2008 20:06:52 GMT -5
while Marvel made two of the most insulting "magic wand" retcons in recent memory (Xorneto, One More Day). Let's give DC some credit for Superboy Prime's Retcon Punch. |
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Post by Joekishi on May 12, 2008 20:07:34 GMT -5
can you bounce quarters off his abs?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2008 20:42:36 GMT -5
probably not, he's kinda gangly looking.
and the Retcon Punch gets a pass because it's so mind-bendingly ridiculous that it comes out the other end and just seems cool. plus it;s not like his magic ret-con punch actually changed anything important or fundementally undermined anyone's history or character the way Xorneto and OMD did.
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Post by JMA on May 12, 2008 21:02:04 GMT -5
The retcon punch makes sense because characters from Earth-Prime were able to affect reality in the DCU. Hell, when comic writer Cary Bates came to the DCU he was able to gain powers over reality. He even killed the entire JSA (they got better). No, I'm not kidding.
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Post by paragon on May 12, 2008 21:17:04 GMT -5
probably not, he's kinda gangly looking. and the Retcon Punch gets a pass because it's so mind-bendingly ridiculous that it comes out the other end and just seems cool. plus it;s not like his magic ret-con punch actually changed anything important or fundementally undermined anyone's history or character the way Xorneto and OMD did. I don't know, I think bringing Jason Todd back was an important change. It's just stupid to me. "Jason Todd is alive again because someone punched reality really hard!"  Oh, well. There's no real unified answer to any of this. There are some things we'll both hate or like, some things you like I may have a problem with, and some things I like you may have a problem with. To use your example, I don't think Xorneto undermined Magneto's history or character really (although I didn't really like Xorn turning out to be Magneto in the first place); the problem was that it was too convoluted and probably should have been left with what Claremont did in Excalibur. edit: But whatever. This is one of those things where we'll agree on the premise but not on the proof. I just don't like when one company gets incessantly bashed as if it's the only one that does something both of them do, have done recently, do often, and will continue to do. But, like you said, Marvel has the most recent big one so they get the focus, deserved or not. DC will probably do one of their own soon that puts it back on them again, as is the cyclical nature of this. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 13, 2008 10:19:46 GMT -5
true that. I forgot about Jason Todd, yeah that was stupid and feels increasingly pointless. it shoulda happened in Hush, at least then it woulda had a point and would have made sense without resorting to magic super punch.
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