Max
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Post by Max on Jun 3, 2008 14:08:32 GMT -5
For real though, define "good cellphone etiquette "
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Post by hedonismbot on Jun 3, 2008 15:00:23 GMT -5
Good words Boku. I want to go on a Dan Quayle-esque diatribe about family, because that's where it all starts. To suggest that I have NO right to bring my five year old and two year old to a dime-a-dozen restaurant like the Olive Garden or Outback is foolish. One reason why people have no sense of how to act IS BECAUSE too many parents of the past two decades have left the responsibility of child rearing to other people, citing some "It Takes A Village" BS as justification for letting other people do their dirty work. Yes there are date nights and nights out with the guys. But for the most part, it is all about the family. When you teach children how to conduct yourself, it sinks in. One way to do this is to, ya know, actually go places with your kids! Do you expect that I should throw the sports section at my five year old and say, "Well we could have gone to last night's game, but a fake name on the Internet said it would ruin his fun if we went. So, here kid. Hope you can read a box score. Oh and when you're 21, you'll probably see some drunk dude and think " Man that guy is totally cool. I'm coming to more baseball games so that I can do that. I wish my dad took me to games before so that I could be doing that already. Everyone will cheer for me when I trip up the steps during the seventh inning stretch. It'll be awesome. Dudes, you're in for more games right?" And it'll be okay because at least you won't be some snot nosed kid with cotton candy hands ruining some old guy's fun in what could be his last baseball game. You'll be an adult having fun on your terms. Screw that old guy. I mean, he walks with a cane and it'll take forever to exit the stadium with him walking up the steps. He'll understand that you'll want to toss him aside, because after all, at least it wasn't some little brat sitting next to him the whole game and talking to him about what his favorite team is." Yeah, that's a speech I really want to have with my kids. Oh wait, no it's not. I think I'd rather sit at the dinner table, and talk to them. Maybe even work something in that they could learn so that when we do go out, they can apply it. My point is, there are unruly craps everywhere you go. There are things that annoy you everywhere you go. But as Boku said, there's decorum, and then there's you trying to dictate what constitutes a good time for everyone else, based upon YOUR needs. WTF? I could kind of follow your train of thought about the kids until you start bringing the up some drunken hobos and some old geezer with a cane.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jun 3, 2008 15:09:45 GMT -5
Good words Boku. I want to go on a Dan Quayle-esque diatribe about family, because that's where it all starts. To suggest that I have NO right to bring my five year old and two year old to a dime-a-dozen restaurant like the Olive Garden or Outback is foolish. One reason why people have no sense of how to act IS BECAUSE too many parents of the past two decades have left the responsibility of child rearing to other people, citing some "It Takes A Village" BS as justification for letting other people do their dirty work. Yes there are date nights and nights out with the guys. But for the most part, it is all about the family. When you teach children how to conduct yourself, it sinks in. One way to do this is to, ya know, actually go places with your kids! Do you expect that I should throw the sports section at my five year old and say, "Well we could have gone to last night's game, but a fake name on the Internet said it would ruin his fun if we went. So, here kid. Hope you can read a box score. Oh and when you're 21, you'll probably see some drunk dude and think " Man that guy is totally cool. I'm coming to more baseball games so that I can do that. I wish my dad took me to games before so that I could be doing that already. Everyone will cheer for me when I trip up the steps during the seventh inning stretch. It'll be awesome. Dudes, you're in for more games right?" And it'll be okay because at least you won't be some snot nosed kid with cotton candy hands ruining some old guy's fun in what could be his last baseball game. You'll be an adult having fun on your terms. Screw that old guy. I mean, he walks with a cane and it'll take forever to exit the stadium with him walking up the steps. He'll understand that you'll want to toss him aside, because after all, at least it wasn't some little brat sitting next to him the whole game and talking to him about what his favorite team is." Yeah, that's a speech I really want to have with my kids. Oh wait, no it's not. I think I'd rather sit at the dinner table, and talk to them. Maybe even work something in that they could learn so that when we do go out, they can apply it. My point is, there are unruly craps everywhere you go. There are things that annoy you everywhere you go. But as Boku said, there's decorum, and then there's you trying to dictate what constitutes a good time for everyone else, based upon YOUR needs. WTF? I could kind of follow your train of thought about the kids until you start bringing the up some drunken hobos and some old geezer with a cane. I must be a f***ing genius then, because I'm apparently the only one that understood him. And yes, he does have a valid point.
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Post by amsiraK on Jun 3, 2008 15:28:18 GMT -5
He does, actually. How else do kids learn about how to act if they're never given the experience? Of course, it requires you, the parent, to actually show them, not expect them to just figure it out on their own.
My brother and his wife are going through this now with their 1 year old. They're taking a vacation this year to Hilton Head and are gonna be damn surprised when they can't do a lot of things with a baby in tow.
This is a hard concept for a lot of people. When you have kids, you HAVE to put them first. Not saying you should totally ignore yourself, but in becoming a parent, you're now in charge of these little humans. It's your job to raise them and sometimes that means going to Chuck E. Cheese instead of Outback. Or taking your kid to Outback and teaching them how you behave in public. Or (and I know this is tough) cooking at home for them.
"It Takes a Village" is a good concept that gets muddied by interpretations. It does take a village - in that a child is affected both positively and negatively by the world that surrounds them. The influence of everyone in their sphere of learning helps to create the human they are, so it's in our best interest to make the best of that. It does NOT mean that it's everyone else's responsibility to raise my child. Hence why I'm a SAHM instead of rushing back to work. I didn't have a kid for other people to raise.
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Post by MysteryPartner on Jun 3, 2008 15:34:10 GMT -5
I can't stand little kids running around and screaming any place at any time. I remember going into a gamestop and looking to buy some games while some kid was screaming about some game he wanted and his dad was yelling at him. I have a pretty high tolerance for a lot of annoying things, but this I cannot stand!!
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Post by hedonismbot on Jun 3, 2008 15:47:13 GMT -5
He does, actually. How else do kids learn about how to act if they're never given the experience? Of course, it requires you, the parent, to actually show them, not expect them to just figure it out on their own. My brother and his wife are going through this now with their 1 year old. They're taking a vacation this year to Hilton Head and are gonna be damn surprised when they can't do a lot of things with a baby in tow. This is a hard concept for a lot of people. When you have kids, you HAVE to put them first. Not saying you should totally ignore yourself, but in becoming a parent, you're now in charge of these little humans. It's your job to raise them and sometimes that means going to Chuck E. Cheese instead of Outback. Or taking your kid to Outback and teaching them how you behave in public. Or (and I know this is tough) cooking at home for them. "It Takes a Village" is a good concept that gets muddied by interpretations. It does take a village - in that a child is affected both positively and negatively by the world that surrounds them. The influence of everyone in their sphere of learning helps to create the human they are, so it's in our best interest to make the best of that. It does NOT mean that it's everyone else's responsibility to raise my child. Hence why I'm a SAHM instead of rushing back to work. I didn't have a kid for other people to raise. I think this post deserves the clapping GIF of Orson Wells because you make a lot more sense than a lot of people on here. Maybe banning kids under five was too harsh, but I still say there's no reason to bring anyone under the age of two to a theater or restaurant. First of all, they're literally too young to be able to expect them to behave themselves. That's just how little kids are. Second of all, I don't think asking parents to get a sitter or to just stay home for the first two years after their kid is born is going to start tearing the family apart. You know, thousands of generations of families managed to bond before restaurants or movie theaters were even invented. And once you think your kids can handle being in a theater or restaurant, keep an eye on them. If they act up, this may involve taking them out to the car and giving them a stern lecture, a spanking, or whatever you prefer to do to discipline your children. If that doesn't work, just accept the fact that you may have to leave in the middle of a meal or movie. My parents had to do it a few times with me when I was a kid. Yes it was embarrassing for them, especially when other people in the restaurant started to applaud as we left. Yes it was a waste of money for them, but that's OK, they made me pay them back out of my allowance. I'm cool with parents who try to keep their kids under control in public. What I can't stand are the parents who sit back with a "What me worry" look on their face as their kids raise hell in public.
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Post by darthalexander on Jun 3, 2008 16:06:48 GMT -5
I don't mind kids much, it's the parents that are to blame 99.9% of the time. I work in daycare, and I see all kinds of stuff and one thing I see more and more of is that parents are AFRAID to parent their own children. They bribe them, plead with them, etc...to get the kids to do anything...and I'm not exaggerating.
I see parents trying to leave with their kids and the kids starting crying and screaming because he/she wants to stay. First they ask their kids to go (like asking for permission), then it gets worse. I've seen parents offer kids McDonald's, candy, toys, etc just to get the children to listen and "do what they are told". And these are 4 year olds!!!! Can you imagine what these kids will be like when they get older? It's a joke.
You don't have to be a dictator to your kids, but come on - at least teach them the meaning of respect, etc.
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Post by hooeylewis on Jun 3, 2008 16:35:42 GMT -5
Cellphone etiquette is common sense and respect. For starters it annoys me when i hear personal conversations in public settings. Also you do not need to talk at the top of your lungs when you are talking in public(This happens both on and off cell phones). My biggest pet peeve with cell phones is using them in the theater. Every time this happens to me its never a important conversation.
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Post by amsiraK on Jun 3, 2008 17:45:19 GMT -5
I think this post deserves the clapping GIF of Orson Wells because you make a lot more sense than a lot of people on here. Maybe banning kids under five was too harsh, but I still say there's no reason to bring anyone under the age of two to a theater or restaurant. First of all, they're literally too young to be able to expect them to behave themselves. That's just how little kids are. I don't know about that. My son was always fine in restaurants. Of course, I also watched him and made sure he wasn't smearing mashed potatoes on the wall. Then again, he's always been good about that stuff. He's a 'give me crayons and I'll keep busy' kinda guy. But even before crayons, he was never a little terror in public. It depends on the kid and the parents, I'd say. Mostly on the parents. Lazy parents make my teeth grind. That's the key. A few times of being yanked out of a place usually puts an end to it. But the key is also not expecting kids (especially young kids) to occupy themselves. Even at 6, my son isn't just gonna sit there and be quiet. He's a kid, not a robot. Sometimes he's fidgety, sometimes he's cranky... sometimes his "inside voice" needs volume control... Like I said, he's a kid. But he knows that some things just aren't gonna fly.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Jun 3, 2008 21:38:35 GMT -5
Good words Boku. I want to go on a Dan Quayle-esque diatribe about family, because that's where it all starts. To suggest that I have NO right to bring my five year old and two year old to a dime-a-dozen restaurant like the Olive Garden or Outback is foolish. One reason why people have no sense of how to act IS BECAUSE too many parents of the past two decades have left the responsibility of child rearing to other people, citing some "It Takes A Village" BS as justification for letting other people do their dirty work. Yes there are date nights and nights out with the guys. But for the most part, it is all about the family. When you teach children how to conduct yourself, it sinks in. One way to do this is to, ya know, actually go places with your kids! Do you expect that I should throw the sports section at my five year old and say, "Well we could have gone to last night's game, but a fake name on the Internet said it would ruin his fun if we went. So, here kid. Hope you can read a box score. Oh and when you're 21, you'll probably see some drunk dude and think " Man that guy is totally cool. I'm coming to more baseball games so that I can do that. I wish my dad took me to games before so that I could be doing that already. Everyone will cheer for me when I trip up the steps during the seventh inning stretch. It'll be awesome. Dudes, you're in for more games right?" And it'll be okay because at least you won't be some snot nosed kid with cotton candy hands ruining some old guy's fun in what could be his last baseball game. You'll be an adult having fun on your terms. Screw that old guy. I mean, he walks with a cane and it'll take forever to exit the stadium with him walking up the steps. He'll understand that you'll want to toss him aside, because after all, at least it wasn't some little brat sitting next to him the whole game and talking to him about what his favorite team is." Yeah, that's a speech I really want to have with my kids. Oh wait, no it's not. I think I'd rather sit at the dinner table, and talk to them. Maybe even work something in that they could learn so that when we do go out, they can apply it. My point is, there are unruly craps everywhere you go. There are things that annoy you everywhere you go. But as Boku said, there's decorum, and then there's you trying to dictate what constitutes a good time for everyone else, based upon YOUR needs. WTF? I could kind of follow your train of thought about the kids until you start bringing the up some drunken hobos and some old geezer with a cane. The point was that you had made a bold statement about essentially barring young children from public places. In other words, your enjoyment is predicated upon whether children are present. The ballgame was an example of douchbaggery that was not correlated to age. If you didn't identify with that person, congrats. Your parents likely provided you with experiences that allowed you to be a functional adult.
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Post by Bobafett on Jun 4, 2008 2:48:23 GMT -5
what gets me is is not so much the kids, its the parents, 1) taking them to movies that are inappropriate 2) letting them run riot
as for sports events and othe r such things, ok take kids..but not babies/Infants, i don't mean in a oh crap it'll cry and ruin my fun, more like its irresponsable, e.g. going to an F1 grand prix, the engine noises are sore on MY ears, so imagine what high revving engine noises for 90 minutes solid will do to a baby
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 4, 2008 2:51:05 GMT -5
when I was 10 years old my mother took me to a VERY late night showing of Serial Mom with all of 4 people in the theater.
That's all I have to add to this discussion... carry on.
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Post by tartsonawire on Jun 4, 2008 11:10:16 GMT -5
I think a lot of it comes down to either parents being too lazy or inconsiderate to make their kids mind, or they're too scared of getting CPS called on them for swatting little Johnny's tush and making him sit down and shut up. You think my siblings and I acted up in public when we were kids? Absolutely not. We were given a fair amount of warnings, then if the bad behavior continued, we were ushered outside or to a bathroom where we learned real quickly how to behave.
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