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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 31, 2008 19:21:21 GMT -5
I must disagree. First, isolation breeds regression. They couldn't progress, namely because they barely have enough manpower to maintain the knowlege they do have, let alone advance their knowlege. The long extinct native Tasmanians, for example, saw their technology diminish after they the mainland for Tasmania. Hostility doesn't prove they are unwilling to meet with outsiders, it means they are fearful. You would be too, if you thought the world beyond your village was populated with evil spirits, and you saw one. "Splendor?" You mean, clean water, plentiful food, sanitation advanced medicines, labor saving technology, and more knowlege than you can fit in a encyclopedia. Tribal life is not easy, and it's certainly not idyllic. It's short, nasty and brutal. You are at the mercy of the heavens and the elements, every day is a constant search for food, all goods have to be handmade, and you are ravaged by disease and infirmady. Do you know how long the average uncontacted tribe takes to adopt to a new way of life? Only a few years. Look, I'm fine with leaving them alone, especially if they have indicated that is their wish, but I don't think that preserving their way of life is an admirable goal on our part. I can see your point on Hostility, though I seriously doubt isolation has breed regression in these people as they are still here after how many thousands of years? Plus it has been stated that their numbers are seemingly on the rise? Also, the "splendor" part. Everything you say is true. But for everything you mention there is an oppositte. One mans trash is another man's treasure and vice versa. For every bit of "clean water" we get there is also massive water, land and air pollution. Also, the Amazon is one of the cleanest water supplies in the world due to it's massive nature and natural filtering. It may have some dirt in it, but it's clean water. For every bit of "excessive food" we have there is obesity epidemics (and the health problems that come along with that) while others starve in far away lands. Another thing about much of our water and food is it's not natural. It has chemicals and everything else in it. Those peoples bodies aren't used to all that mess. It may or may not cause problems for them, I don't know, but I don't imagine all the perservatives, corn syrups, chemicals, etc we put in food and water would agree with them. For every advanced medicine we get, we also get hospitals that screw up and infect people with things like Staff. Or medicines with severe side effects, that have actually killed people in the past (my grandmother was one). For every bit of labor saving technologies we have we just get lazier and lazier. As for them being ravaged by disease... I would like you to show me where these people are ravaged. Infact, us getting involved would deliver higher potentional of disease ravaging then anything else. These people didn't live for thousands of years this way by not knowing how to cure what ails them. They are supposedly uncontacted, how do we know that their life span isn't 24? A life span of 24 is better then half of them dying all at once because they caught the common cold and it ravaged them like it was a super disease. Though I'm pretty sure they live longer then 24.
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Post by Throwback on Jun 5, 2008 13:07:20 GMT -5
I cant help but be reminded of the Stone Age Tasaday from the Philippines. Anyone remember that? They were an "uncontacted" tribe discovered in 1971. which was later proven to be a hoax in 1986
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jun 5, 2008 13:26:43 GMT -5
Well, usually uncontacted tribes are not humans who never left the neolithic, as if they moved to a remote area in 9,000 BC, and have been ignored since the fall of Atlantis. They are usually war survivors who headed for the hills/jungle after their last defeat, and the reason for their hostility, is the threat of another attack. I mean, you don't want to live in the jungle. It's like the hills, or the mountains, or Wales for that matter. Most of them have contact with neighboring Indians, and trade with them, but just fear Whites. That's why gaining their trust takes a while. In the meantime, declare their lands Sanctuary and try to open contact with them.
Deadpool, your counterpoints are correct, but I think the net benefits of civilization far outweight the costs. Heck, Uncontacted tribes want our stuff, they do trade for it, they just think the Conquisidors are out to get them.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jun 5, 2008 14:36:53 GMT -5
That first picture is seriously scary. Couldnt imagine what they would do if someone went there...
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 5, 2008 14:57:51 GMT -5
And thus, they were no longer "uncontacted". Uncontacted means no outsider has spoken to them, so for now, they still are uncontacted.
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Post by Throwback on Jun 5, 2008 18:19:09 GMT -5
I'm still not going to believe it until there is solid proof.
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Post by Rob's No. 1 Fan on Jun 6, 2008 0:24:47 GMT -5
^ Me either. If you do your research, you'll find there have been many hoaxes throughout the years involving these "uncontacted tribes". Basically, it's all about local Reservation politics and funding running out. Say, for example, a research team's grant expires and they have nothing to argue its renewal. Since much of the grant money has supported tribal reservations for decades, the local governments and the scientific teams become a 'show' that doesn't wanna close down. Someone creates "mysterious" shots of "possible" interests; the public suddenly gets excited long enough to justify investigation... BINGO! - the grant gets extended; the offices stay open; the staff keep their jobs; and the show goes on. Funny how these fascinating discoveries of "possibilities" always seem to spring up when money is about to run out. In this particular case, notice how our research team takes no responsibility by authenticating any claims. "We think it might be an 'uncontacted' tribe," they say. ("Send money and don't hold us accountable," right?) Insofar as "protection laws". These are put in place to keep curious outsiders at bay, to keep anyone from discovering the hoax. "We will shoot you before we let you go in there and discover our hoax *cough, I mean, disturb our sensitive discovery." Now - one good example of an infamous hoax happened back in the 1970's with NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. It was called The "Tasaday" tribe, which actually made NG's front cover as man's "missing link" (pics below). The entire world marveled over all the new pics of this newly discovered mysterious tribe. Of course this tribe was located in a highly governmentally PROTECTED jungle range of the Philipines. The government there agreed to let in ONLY one photographer who helped in the hoax. So National Geographic published the article on the "honor system" then later had to apologize . . . as new pictures of the same naked tribe began surfacing. Only this time the mysterious ancient tribe was wearing blue-jeans and T-shirts, and complaining from their local villages that they'd been coerced and promised lots of money for their part in staging the elaborbate hoax. It was one of National Geographic's most embarrassing moments. I remain, therefore, skeptical about these current tribal discoveries. And equally skeptical about that Extra-Terrestrial looking in the diningroom window (another plight for money).
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Post by Cela on Jun 6, 2008 1:36:16 GMT -5
So, how long before E! gives them their own show?
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Post by Corporate H on Jun 6, 2008 4:03:53 GMT -5
I would drop crack cocaine. I think that describes our progress well enough.
EDIT: Either that or Viagra.
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Post by Rob's No. 1 Fan on Jun 6, 2008 11:48:49 GMT -5
"Wait a second... wait a second... back that up. ... give me a close-up on monitor B ... Crap! - somebody call post. Tell 'em Native No. 3's got on a pair o' Reebok Pumps... (awe, man!... heads are gonna roll in the morning)." > > >
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