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Post by Arturo Classico on Feb 19, 2008 16:38:24 GMT -5
So with Raw last night I was thinking about this and with giving both new theme music it feels they are really going to establish both Hardy and Kennedy as stars and they have pushed Punk and MVP as well it seems they are trying to make a new crop of stars with the emphasis on younger stars with how Cena and Orton has been pushed in the last couple of years. So will 2008 be the start of this are will we be forced to have Undertaker, HBK and HHH dominating things like they have in the last 5 years?
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 19, 2008 16:42:03 GMT -5
Not with Shawn and Hunter still employed. No chance.
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Post by Steveweiser on Feb 19, 2008 16:46:13 GMT -5
Not just yet - it's still the old guard on top at the moment.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Feb 19, 2008 16:48:48 GMT -5
While Triple H will never go away from the top as long as he's wrestling and the new generation will likely flourish with him there, I'll still say no. Later in the year, we could see the main event breakouts of Punk, MVP, Kennedy, Hardy, and maybe Morrison. For the forseeable future, though, it's going to be the same core group of guys on top.
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Post by Joekishi on Feb 19, 2008 16:50:45 GMT -5
it's not really the fault of the wrestlers though, HHH, HBK, and Undertaker are just icons in the business
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Post by phenomphan on Feb 19, 2008 16:52:53 GMT -5
Not quite. With the exception of Cena, Hardy, and Orton, those other young guys need to get more over with the crowd in my opinion. But in a few years, yes those guys will be on top.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Feb 19, 2008 16:53:28 GMT -5
While Triple H will never go away from the top as long as he's wrestling and the new generation will likely flourish with him there, I'll still say no. Later in the year, we could see the main event breakouts of Punk, MVP, Kennedy, Hardy, and maybe Morrison. For the forseeable future, though, it's going to be the same core group of guys on top. I mean I don't know how much more time will we have guys like HHH, HBK or Undertaker all are getting up there in age. I mean it's almost ten years since HHH got his first World Title, Undertaker has been wrestling since the late eighties and HBK since 1985( he's been wrestling for as long as I've been alive) so really how much longer could they possibly go especially with HBK (bad back, knees) and HHH (many, many, torn quads). I think a new generation has to happen and it already has basically with Cena and Orton. |
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Feb 19, 2008 16:55:46 GMT -5
Not just yet - it's still the old guard on top at the moment. Yep, it's not quite like 97/98/99 when Trips, Rock, Austin, Foley went from upper midcarders to the lead guys on the show and HBK went out injured, Bret left etc. Although if the rosters were condensed into one I might have a different opinion?! |
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Feb 19, 2008 17:03:04 GMT -5
BTW I'm not suggesting they will be condensed into one, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, just saying if they were you'd have MVP, Punk, Matt, Jeff, Kennedy, Umaga and Kingston(?) all on one show. If they bought up Sydal and Cabana and got behind those guys as well that's a pretty talented midcard. Then you've got Cade & Murdoch, Londrick, Jesse & Festus, Edgeheads as well as others to make up a tag division. And in you're main event Taker, Trips, HBK represent the old guard whilst Cena, Batista and Orton represent the new guys.
Until at least 2 of HBK, Triple H & Taker take a back seat and by that I mean remove themselves from the main event permanently (not that I want this to happen, just for the purposes of this thread) I don't think we've quite got a 'New Generation'..... yet.
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Post by ilggant on Feb 19, 2008 17:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by BRAINFADE on Feb 19, 2008 17:43:42 GMT -5
Not just yet - it's still the old guard on top at the moment. Yep, it's not quite like 97/98/99 when Trips, Rock, Austin, Foley went from upper midcarders to the lead guys on the show and HBK went out injured, Bret left etc. Although you have to remember the circumstances under which those guys were pushed. WCW basically had all the established big stars when Bret jumped, so it was a necessity to push those guys. I'm not saying that they would not have been pushed under less extreme circumstances, but thats why i think there was a feel of a sudden change in the WWF main event scene around that time. |
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Feb 19, 2008 18:00:42 GMT -5
Yep, it's not quite like 97/98/99 when Trips, Rock, Austin, Foley went from upper midcarders to the lead guys on the show and HBK went out injured, Bret left etc. Although you have to remember the circumstances under which those guys were pushed. WCW basically had all the established big stars when Bret jumped, so it was a necessity to push those guys. I'm not saying that they would not have been pushed under less extreme circumstances, but thats why i think there was a feel of a sudden change in the WWF main event scene around that time. I agree with you, unfortunately with no other 'real' competition to create another situation like this I don't see the old guard shifting from the top just yet. However as they get older and injuries set in there will be more opportunities for the midcarders to step up I feel. |
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Post by BitterAF on Feb 19, 2008 18:04:27 GMT -5
This is why I don't like Triple H. There are soo many young guys coming up that Triple H IMO just doesn't fit in the main event scene anymore. He shouldn't be going for the title anymore. He's had it something like 12 times, and he's no Ric Flair by any means. WM should be Orton/Cena/Hardy triple threat. Hardy has been getting way over and a main event at WM would make him a main eventer. I'm not saying he has to win, but a solid 20 minutes and he would go from mid to top card like that.
Kennedy is also another guy who is working his way up. Shawn Michaels has dropped down to upper mid card which is good because he's trying to make new stars, like Kennedy for example.
This is also why I think WCW failed. They didn't create new stars. They took all of the old WWF stars who could still wrestle, but there was just a new generation of great wreslters coming and Hogan/Flair/Savage just wasn't entertaining to watch in main events.
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Post by flea on Feb 19, 2008 20:19:33 GMT -5
There are a lot of new guys they are grooming to be top stars.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Feb 20, 2008 1:23:21 GMT -5
If Triple H, HBK, and Undertaker leave then so will a big chunk of the audience in my opinion. Also I have no clue how people are classifying Cena and Batista as the "new guard" when they've dominated the main event scene for the past 3 years. I'd rather see Cena and Batista put out to pasture before I would Taker, HBK, and Triple H.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Feb 20, 2008 2:19:22 GMT -5
Trips aint goin anywhere for a long time.. Sorry.. Even when he isnt an in ring competitor, he will rear his ugly nose in a storyline in some capaciity. Even when he retires, like it or not, him and steph will control the livelihood of many up and comers. Which is kind of the way business shouldnt be. Other wrestling talent playing puppetmaster and controlling other talent in who gets pushed and who doesnt.
I dunno if the new generation is starting on raw. At least "new new generation" Cena has been an established star for 5 years or so. Hardy has been around over 10 years. Hes no spring chicken. Shawn and Trips and their foul ordor are still stinking up Semi-ME, or ME. they cant give it up. Still trying to relive their glory days. Orton has quite a bit of good years left in him. So does Kennedy. However, can they stay out of trouble? Thats the main thing. Hopefully MVP comes over to Raw. Maybe Punk eventually. MVP would be a good top Raw heel IMO and I see some potential in Cody Rhodes actually. If he could just develop a character.
And I only pray Cena goes back to Smackdown, as there is nothing left for him to do on Raw really. Hes annihialated everyone. Hopefully a real draft happens sometime after Mania. They do need to shake things up. I wouldnt mind Deneregention Crap around really if they would just get off raw for a bit and go to smackdown for a year or so. I dunno why they wouldnt? It must get boring have the same fueds all the time with the same top guys? They should be forced to go to smackdown to help get those guys over. I mean really, How many times do u people wanna watch trips-orton, trips cena, shawn-cena, shawn-orton, hardy-trips, hardy orton. YIKES. This isnt the 1980s anymore in terms of patience
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Post by Loki on Feb 20, 2008 5:00:23 GMT -5
No...
The only "new" guys in the main event are Cena and Orton, and both were more or less handpicked by WWE. Unless you count Jeff and Edge, who are approaching the 10th year [with on and off times] anniversary.
All the other "new guys" are serving as sidekicks to the aforementioned Chosen Ones and to the Old Guard.
The only way for them to get elevated are injuries or retirements.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Feb 20, 2008 5:38:45 GMT -5
I think actually it has been a new generation for a little while now. At least for about 2-3 years, in my opinion.
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Post by tinaturner on Feb 20, 2008 5:39:43 GMT -5
New guys should beat older guys, but the new guys have to be of the same calibre as the older guys. Kennedy aint Flair, unless you like your wrestling Nu-Skool. Aint that aint a good thing.
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Post by The OP on Feb 20, 2008 5:43:35 GMT -5
The new guys just have to start beating the old guys. I really think that's all that has to happen. After seeing the match they had at No Way Out, I thought Kennedy should've beaten Flair. He carried Flair to a watchable match, plain and simple. I don't neccessarily feel like I need a big last Ric Flair match at Wrestlemania, 'Mania was never a big part of Flair's career.
There's a pretty deep talent pool now though of current generation guys. I count guys like Hardy, Edge, Christian, Angle, except they're the guys who are gonna be the veterans instead of HBK, Trips, etc. There's a lot of guys who could start to catch on all of a sudden. MVP, Kennedy, CM Punk, Morrison, Shelton, Chavo, and (I wish) Samoa Joe would make a strong WWE uppercard in a few years. And duh, Cena and Orton.
But yeah, the point is, the younger guys need to start beating the older guys, and there needs to stop being the idea that the older you get the more invincible you get, like Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair.
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