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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 24, 2008 18:57:39 GMT -5
terrible idea.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Feb 24, 2008 19:03:26 GMT -5
I think if Big Show and Mayweather were trying to f*** each other up for real Show would crushinate.
My only example is my freshman yeah of Highschool. I was about six foot and two hundred and twenty pounds at the time and in good shape do in no small part to my Football training. Now in gym class we had this wrestling thing. For no good reason I got paired with one of the state champ wrestlers at the time. Now I couldn't wrestle my way out of a paper bag. The skill and talent was ALL on the other side of the mat. However he was in one of the smallest weight classes and just couldn't move me. I muscled him to his shoulders and pinned him.
The point is, at some point size difference is just too much.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 24, 2008 19:25:53 GMT -5
I think if Big Show and Mayweather were trying to f*** each other up for real Show would crushinate. My only example is my freshman yeah of Highschool. I was about six foot and two hundred and twenty pounds at the time and in good shape do in no small part to my Football training. Now in gym class we had this wrestling thing. For no good reason I got paired with one of the state champ wrestlers at the time. Now I couldn't wrestle my way out of a paper bag. The skill and talent was ALL on the other side of the mat. However he was in one of the smallest weight classes and just couldn't move me. I muscled him to his shoulders and pinned him. The point is, at some point size difference is just too much. Agreed, Mayweather may be in the best shape and be better conditioned but there is a gross mismatch in terms of size, one that the skill wouldn't be able to . Unless he has the strength to drop Show in one or two punches, he's losing that battle if they were to go at it for real.
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Post by Celgress on Feb 24, 2008 20:25:48 GMT -5
ABC baby = Anybody but Cena.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Feb 24, 2008 20:33:04 GMT -5
Before you go after me, this is something I'm doing to prove Square wrong. He seems to think that, because Mayweather is an Athlete, he'd make a great WWE Champion and it would add a 'real feeling' My argument is that, even if he is an Athlete, it would basically be David Arquette all over again. It would get mainstream attention but mostly because everyone would laugh at the WWE for doing it. So I pitch my 28473rd poll to my fellow Crappers. Whatcha think?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Feb 24, 2008 20:36:06 GMT -5
Kill it. With fire.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 25, 2008 0:44:40 GMT -5
Hell. No.
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Post by Mac on Feb 25, 2008 8:02:54 GMT -5
If Mayweather were a bigger star I'd say do it just to do it. If it were Tiger Woods, Lebron James or Tom Brady i'd say do it Mayweathers not a big enough name.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 25, 2008 8:12:22 GMT -5
Before you go after me, this is something I'm doing to prove Square wrong. He seems to think that, because Mayweather is an Athlete, he'd make a great WWE Champion and it would add a 'real feeling' My argument is that, even if he is an Athlete, it would basically be David Arquette all over again. It would get mainstream attention but mostly because everyone would laugh at the WWE for doing it. So I pitch my 28473rd poll to my fellow Crappers. Whatcha think? Well on one hand, this would give RD and Blade a field day in regards to a definite 2008 Gooker.
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Post by Loki on Feb 25, 2008 8:12:33 GMT -5
If Mayweather were a bigger star I'd say do it just to do it. If it were Tiger Woods, Lebron James or Tom Brady i'd say do it Mayweathers not a big enough name. I don't think it matters how big the star is... Wrestling is a delicate business, and its "fakeness" has been exposed a lot already. Having a star of a legit sport, an actor, a singer, or any non-wrestler competing on a wrestling show would instantly ridicule the business even more. Not to mention winning a major title... Leave wrestling to wrestlers, and keep the guest stars in a sidekick/manager role if you really want 'em in.
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Post by FrankGotch on Feb 25, 2008 8:14:06 GMT -5
If Mayweather were a bigger star I'd say do it just to do it. If it were Tiger Woods, Lebron James or Tom Brady i'd say do it Mayweathers not a big enough name. Actually Mayweather is a huge name, I would say he is better known than anyone on WWE's current roster. Also he is a bigger name internationally then Tom Brady is. The main reason I wouldn't give him the title is because there is really nowhere to go with that story line. Mayweather will never become a wrestler, so why give him a belt? Mayweather is just doing this for fun anyway, because there is no way he is doing it for the money. Even if the WWE is giving him 6 mil that is still only about 1/8 of what he makes for a prize fight.
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Post by Nuka Cola on Feb 25, 2008 8:19:52 GMT -5
Really bad idea
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Post by Mac on Feb 25, 2008 8:23:58 GMT -5
If Mayweather were a bigger star I'd say do it just to do it. If it were Tiger Woods, Lebron James or Tom Brady i'd say do it Mayweathers not a big enough name. I don't think it matters how big the star is... Wrestling is a delicate business, and its "fakeness" has been exposed a lot already. Having a star of a legit sport, an actor, a singer, or any non-wrestler competing on a wrestling show would instantly ridicule the business even more. Not to mention winning a major title... Leave wrestling to wrestlers, and keep the guest stars in a sidekick/manager role if you really want 'em in. Of course it matters. A star like Mayweather is pretty much famous in boxing circles. Doesn't do a lot of commercials, isn't a crossover star. Has a big mouth, and a self promotor. Its perfect for a spot at WM and a match that will get a bunch of extra buys from boxing fans. As far as putting the title on a non-wrestler I'd have a hard time justifying that unless the person was a household name. Tiger Woods is a household name, same with Lebron James, Tom Brady etc. Obviously I'm using the three most extreme examples of a sports celebrity, but if they're going to get their moneys worth out of giving a title to an athlete who is also a mainstream celebrity they need to give it to a "household name"
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Post by Mac on Feb 25, 2008 8:28:47 GMT -5
If Mayweather were a bigger star I'd say do it just to do it. If it were Tiger Woods, Lebron James or Tom Brady i'd say do it Mayweathers not a big enough name. Actually Mayweather is a huge name, I would say he is better known than anyone on WWE's current roster. Also he is a bigger name internationally then Tom Brady is. The main reason I wouldn't give him the title is because there is really nowhere to go with that story line. Mayweather will never become a wrestler, so why give him a belt? Mayweather is just doing this for fun anyway, because there is no way he is doing it for the money. Even if the WWE is giving him 6 mil that is still only about 1/8 of what he makes for a prize fight. I had no idea who Floyd Mayweather was/is. And Im not saying who I know and what I know is representative of the rest of the world but judging by the times he was called "Merryweather" here and the iffy pop/ no pop he's gotten during his in ring work with the WWE I'd have to say no many other fans really jumped on this guys bandwagon either. Mayweather may be a huge name and I know he gets props for being in a match that 2.4 million people saw, but Brady was just in a game that 100 million people saw. Whether or not you need to pay for it its exposure and I'm sure more people in more countries saw Tom Brady in any of the 4 Super Bowls he's been in than have ever seen or even heard the name Floyd Mayweather.
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Post by Loki on Feb 25, 2008 8:36:24 GMT -5
I don't think it matters how big the star is... Wrestling is a delicate business, and its "fakeness" has been exposed a lot already. Having a star of a legit sport, an actor, a singer, or any non-wrestler competing on a wrestling show would instantly ridicule the business even more. Not to mention winning a major title... Leave wrestling to wrestlers, and keep the guest stars in a sidekick/manager role if you really want 'em in. Of course it matters. A star like Mayweather is pretty much famous in boxing circles. Doesn't do a lot of commercials, isn't a crossover star. Has a big mouth, and a self promotor. Its perfect for a spot at WM and a match that will get a bunch of extra buys from boxing fans. As far as putting the title on a non-wrestler I'd have a hard time justifying that unless the person was a household name. Tiger Woods is a household name, same with Lebron James, Tom Brady etc. Obviously I'm using the three most extreme examples of a sports celebrity, but if they're going to get their moneys worth out of giving a title to an athlete who is also a mainstream celebrity they need to give it to a "household name" For starters, the three household names you suggest are US only household names, except maybe Woods, who's the #1 guy of a niche sport... The rest of the world has no idea about Tom Brady, and non basket fans can't tell Lebron James from Mickie James... Let's take a look at Mike Tyson... Now he was a worldwide household name even during his "bad years". WWF had him involved in the buildup for WMXIV, he did his job right and disappeared without having wrestled a match, embarrassing himself and/or his eventual opponents. That's the way WWE should use celebrities. The moment an untrained non-wrestler defeats a wrestler, WWE (or any other company) could as well declare "yes folks, we're a joke, a ridicolous joke. thank you for wasting your time watching us". It doesn't matter how Big the name is...
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Post by Mac on Feb 25, 2008 8:43:35 GMT -5
Of course it matters. A star like Mayweather is pretty much famous in boxing circles. Doesn't do a lot of commercials, isn't a crossover star. Has a big mouth, and a self promotor. Its perfect for a spot at WM and a match that will get a bunch of extra buys from boxing fans. As far as putting the title on a non-wrestler I'd have a hard time justifying that unless the person was a household name. Tiger Woods is a household name, same with Lebron James, Tom Brady etc. Obviously I'm using the three most extreme examples of a sports celebrity, but if they're going to get their moneys worth out of giving a title to an athlete who is also a mainstream celebrity they need to give it to a "household name" For starters, the three household names you suggest are US only household names, except maybe Woods, who's the #1 guy of a niche sport... The rest of the world has no idea about Tom Brady, and non basket fans can't tell Lebron James from Mickie James... Let's take a look at Mike Tyson... Now he was a worldwide household name even during his "bad years". WWF had him involved in the buildup for WMXIV, he did his job right and disappeared without having wrestled a match, embarrassing himself and/or his eventual opponents. That's the way WWE should use celebrities. The moment an untrained non-wrestler defeats a wrestler, WWE (or any other company) could as well declare "yes folks, we're a joke, a ridicolous joke. thank you for wasting your time watching us". I think the idea of having a non-wrestler as a world champion is pretty ridiculous unless booked properly. I think a guy like LeBron James would be beleivable. Hes a big guy, if he was for whatever reason a huge wrestling fan and agreed to a 3 month run with the company a fluke win with tons of run ins and jobbed the title back to the guy he first took it off of clean I'd have no problem with it. It's ok that they'd hire someone whos only big in the US, thats where WWE does the vast majority of their programming and no doubt the crowd they're trying to appeal to.
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Post by Loki on Feb 25, 2008 9:03:46 GMT -5
I think the idea of having a non-wrestler as a world champion is pretty ridiculous unless booked properly. I think a guy like LeBron James would be beleivable. Hes a big guy, if he was for whatever reason a huge wrestling fan and agreed to a 3 month run with the company a fluke win with tons of run ins and jobbed the title back to the guy he first took it off of clean I'd have no problem with it. What would that accomplish then? No matter how dirty the win may be, it'll still be a bad thing for the Champion, for the whole roster and for the company. Just imagine a random celebrity entering the Indy 500 and winning it thanks to a huge pile-up with three laps to go... Do you think the reaction would be "wow that was awesome" or "ahah those guys looked like clueless morons"? And I'm stretching it by comparing an actual sport, that can be influenced by luck, with a predetermined show. Don't underestimate the influence of foreign markets in WWE's current situation. In the US the market has been stale (if not shrinking) since the end of the MNW, while outside of the US there has been a quasi-boom. Don't expect millions of Europeans or Asians running to order Brady v Cena at WM...
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Post by Mac on Feb 25, 2008 9:15:47 GMT -5
I think the idea of having a non-wrestler as a world champion is pretty ridiculous unless booked properly. I think a guy like LeBron James would be beleivable. Hes a big guy, if he was for whatever reason a huge wrestling fan and agreed to a 3 month run with the company a fluke win with tons of run ins and jobbed the title back to the guy he first took it off of clean I'd have no problem with it. What would that accomplish then? No matter how dirty the win may be, it'll still be a bad thing for the Champion, for the whole roster and for the company. Just imagine a random celebrity entering the Indy 500 and winning it thanks to a huge pile-up with three laps to go... Do you think the reaction would be "wow that was awesome" or "ahah those guys looked like clueless morons"? And I'm stretching it by comparing an actual sport, that can be influenced by luck, with a predetermined show. Don't underestimate the influence of foreign markets in WWE's current situation. In the US the market has been stale (if not shrinking) since the end of the MNW, while outside of the US there has been a quasi-boom. Don't expect millions of Europeans or Asians running to order Brady v Cena at WM... Im not underestimating the foreign markets. But the fact WWE has the majority of their tv shows and PPVs take place in the United States thats their primary market. Do you think they'd be more apt to bring in a LaBron James or some euro-football players whos huge everywhere BUT the United States? As far as what it would accomplish? Probably what they're trying to accoplish by having Mayweather on TV. Bring in some mainstream sports media you wouldn't otherwise see. The guy doesn't have to win clean to walk around as champion. I think it'd be foolish to have him just KO John Cena and win the title. Screwjob, give them something interesting and different to do during the Summer and move on from there. I think having a mega-star and an athlete whos at least the same size as a lot of the WWE "big men" like LeBron James winning the ttile via screwjob and then losing it back clean a couple months later isn't any more damaging than having the Fifty-something owner of the company win the title and never lose it back.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 25, 2008 9:38:21 GMT -5
I wish Celeb fans would be like every other fan... BEHIND the barricade.
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Post by Big L on Feb 25, 2008 11:05:29 GMT -5
that be as worst as making David Arquette WCW Champ
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