Cena Pissed Off With The Rock

[lildude8218]

I'm moving on, the hypocrisy here is baffling. I'm done.

[Brick Killed a Guy]

realfakerazor said:

thegoldenspike said:

The Sun, eh?

Yes.
The Sun.
The most truthful and reliable paper EVER.

You laugh now. But you won't be laughing when the world ends in 2009!!!


...or is it 2019?

[dh03grad]

lildude8218 said:

mygreatesthour said:

I don't know, how about handing Brock the WWE Championship CLEANLY in the main event of Summerslam? Then NOT getting his win back?

He helped make Brock. It isn't Rock's fault Brock chose another career path.

The Rock wasn't stepping down and leaving at that point. He wasn't supposed to be on the way out. It just worked out that way. Losing the belt to someone isn't automatically passing the torch.

He helped build up Goldberg to job to a sledgehammer in 2003? What about his last match when he lost to Evolution? Even though he didnt take the fall, that match still helped Batista and Orton.

[Hiroshi Hase]

lildude8218 said:

I'm moving on, the hypocrisy here is baffling. I'm done.

Could you elaborate on that? Perhaps you could show me where it is as I don't see it.

[dh03grad]

lildude8218 said:

I'm moving on, the hypocrisy here is baffling. I'm done.

Thanks, dude.

[Kevin Hamilton]

If this is real, Cena's wrong here.

[AriadosMan]

lildude8218 said:

I'm moving on, the hypocrisy here is baffling. I'm done.

What "hypocrisy"? The fact that what Hiroshi and I was saying was basically true? The fact that you couldn't find a good counter to my claim that Rock didn't have documented abuses of power and whine sessions like so many main eventers? The fact that he never broke his contract and willingly did what was asked of him until it expired, to the best of our knowledge?

[dh03grad]

chuckymac314 said:

For me, I don't really care if he left, but The Rock wouldn't be The Rock without pro wrestling. He'd be Dwayne Johnson, overly muscled poolboy somewhere in Florida. Hollywood would never have looked at him twice if he hadn't been on top at the peak of the industry. I could see how the seeming lack of appreciation could be construed as insulting.

A WWE without the Rock is a WWE that plummets in 1999 and gives WCW new life.

[Kevin Hamilton]

realfakerazor said:

lildude8218 said:

I'm moving on, the hypocrisy here is baffling. I'm done.

What "hypocrisy"? The fact that what Hiroshi and I was saying was basically true? The fact that you couldn't find a good counter to my claim that Rock didn't have documented abuses of power and whine sessions like so many main eventers? The fact that he never broke his contract and willingly did what was asked of him until it expired, to the best of our knowledge?

Eh, the argument's done. Let's let it be guys. Thanks.

[CJ Denton is Egon]

thegoldenspike said:

The Sun, eh?

I like how they say the QE2 is being turned into a warship

[bshadye413]

Cena's entitled to his opinion, but i disagree. I was always a huge mark for the rock so i was sad to see him go, but i cant say i blame him. He left at a relatively young age to pursue something that pays a ton more and requires much less physical harm. As far as i can recall, he never refused to put someone over and even came back several times between movies. Maybe its not so much that he doesnt love wrestling anymore as much as its the possibility that he doesnt have enough time to do both that and movies.

If you think he sold out then i understand your opinion, i just disagree with it. Its not like a Brock Lesnar situation where he was given the world and just abruptly left and pretty much mailed it in during a high profile wrestlemania match.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

dh03grad said:

chuckymac314 said:

For me, I don't really care if he left, but The Rock wouldn't be The Rock without pro wrestling. He'd be Dwayne Johnson, overly muscled poolboy somewhere in Florida. Hollywood would never have looked at him twice if he hadn't been on top at the peak of the industry. I could see how the seeming lack of appreciation could be construed as insulting.

A WWE without the Rock is a WWE that plummets in 1999 and gives WCW new life.

Not in this guy's opinion. Austin was carrying the company back when the only thing Rocky had done of note was fued with Farooq. If Rocky hadn't done it, someone else would. All it would have really led to was HHH being a TRUE main eventer a couple of years earlier. I hate the attitude that revolves around guys like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock, like their abscence in the business would have killed it dead. Anyone could have been at The Rock's level with the right push(hell, look what they're trying to do with Cena, for instance), and no one's bigger than the business, least of all Rocky.

[thesunbeast]

I think It's cena hat that gets so many people siding o the Rock with this, because so many other people have said the same thing with loads of agreement.

I say It's just that mabe they feel that the Rock can wrestle or atleast make appearances atleast a few times a year. The Rock had his last match 4 years ago, and has the tendancy to make one appearence and take a break for 2-3 years. If this were warrior or Goldberg, peoples opinions would be different.

I also remember a while back when Cena was a mid-carder that the origninal plan was to have Rock face John Cena at Wrestlemania 20, but the Rock refusd, and there was no explanation.

[AriadosMan]

chuckymac314 said:

dh03grad said:

A WWE without the Rock is a WWE that plummets in 1999 and gives WCW new life.

Not in this guy's opinion. Austin was carrying the company back when the only thing Rocky had done of note was fued with Farooq. If Rocky hadn't done it, someone else would. All it would have really led to was HHH being a TRUE main eventer a couple of years earlier. I hate the attitude that revolves around guys like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock, like their abscence in the business would have killed it dead. Anyone could have been at The Rock's level with the right push(hell, look what they're trying to do with Cena, for instance), and no one's bigger than the business, least of all Rocky.

Do you even remember what it was like in the late 90s? Everyone was wearing Austin and Rock T-shirts. People who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching wrestling were spouting Rock catchphrases. Anyone who is truly popular IS bigger than "the business"...including Hogan and The Rock. Acting like the Rock wasn't responsible for a large part of the 90s success is like claiming that anyone could have been as successful as Hogan in the 80s.

[MGH]

thesunbeast said:

I think It's cena hat that gets so many people siding o the Rock with this, because so many other people have said the same thing with loads of agreement.

Have we been on two different boards since 06? Whenever something like this is brought up it always seems to be the same 5-6 people saying Rocky sold out and turned his back on the business with about ..... everyone else saying Rock's within his rights and not doing a damn thing wrong.

Don't try and pass this off as anti-Cena bias, that clearly isn't the case.

[wolfmoon103100]

I think Cena is more upset that Rock seems to "HIDE" from his Pro Wrestling days. Like he is ashamed of it. "Who's The Rock? I'm Dwayne Johnson.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

realfakerazor said:

chuckymac314 said:

Not in this guy's opinion. Austin was carrying the company back when the only thing Rocky had done of note was fued with Farooq. If Rocky hadn't done it, someone else would. All it would have really led to was HHH being a TRUE main eventer a couple of years earlier. I hate the attitude that revolves around guys like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock, like their abscence in the business would have killed it dead. Anyone could have been at The Rock's level with the right push(hell, look what they're trying to do with Cena, for instance), and no one's bigger than the business, least of all Rocky.

Do you even remember what it was like in the late 90s? Everyone was wearing Austin and Rock T-shirts. People who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching wrestling were spouting Rock catchphrases. Anyone who is truly popular IS bigger than "the business"...including Hogan and The Rock. Acting like the Rock wasn't responsible for a large part of the 90s success is like claiming that anyone could have been as successful as Hogan in the 80s.

I'm not gonna say that Rock wasn't responsible for a big part of it, because that would be idiotic. He was, that's fact, plain and simple. But if he hadn't been around, someone else would have been right there in his spot. Maybe not AS popular, but definetly approaching that level.

[phenomphan]

I love Cena and love the passion and respect he has for wrestling, but I have to disagree with him on this. The Rock did at one point love wrestling and had a passion for it, but I think over time that changed. It's just like being in love with someone initially and then over time falling out of love with them. Does that make you a bad person or mean your wrong? No, it just means that their interests and outlook has changed. I'd like to see The Rock back as much as the next fan, but I don't think he owes anybody anything. He did his time in wrestling and did a damn good job at it, one of the best ever. I'll always love him for what he did for wrestling, regardless of what he's doing now. People shouldn't be mad at him because he found a new passion in life. All props to The Rock.

[dh03grad]

chuckymac314 said:

dh03grad said:

A WWE without the Rock is a WWE that plummets in 1999 and gives WCW new life.

Not in this guy's opinion. Austin was carrying the company back when the only thing Rocky had done of note was fued with Farooq. If Rocky hadn't done it, someone else would. All it would have really led to was HHH being a TRUE main eventer a couple of years earlier. I hate the attitude that revolves around guys like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock, like their abscence in the business would have killed it dead. Anyone could have been at The Rock's level with the right push(hell, look what they're trying to do with Cena, for instance), and no one's bigger than the business, least of all Rocky.

WWE could have pushed HHH as The Game months earlier to feud with Austin...maybe have Austin-Big Show at Mania XV but there was a need for a face to take the mantle from Austin. When he went down with the neck, there was nobody else ever close to take the ball.

[AriadosMan]

dh03grad said:

chuckymac314 said:

Not in this guy's opinion. Austin was carrying the company back when the only thing Rocky had done of note was fued with Farooq. If Rocky hadn't done it, someone else would. All it would have really led to was HHH being a TRUE main eventer a couple of years earlier. I hate the attitude that revolves around guys like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock, like their abscence in the business would have killed it dead. Anyone could have been at The Rock's level with the right push(hell, look what they're trying to do with Cena, for instance), and no one's bigger than the business, least of all Rocky.

WWE could have pushed HHH as The Game months earlier to feud with Austin...maybe have Austin-Big Show at Mania XV but there was a need for a face to take the mantle from Austin. When he went down with the neck, there was nobody else ever close to take the ball.

People weren't terribly excited about HHH at that time, at least not main-event face level excited.