Explain Fit Finlay & Hornswoggle vs. JBL and Vince

[Mister Yummy]

This angle has been stupid for months, but now it's defying wrestling logic, as well as standard every day logic.

OK, so Fit Finlay plotted with Shane, Stephanie, and Linda to make Vince think Hornswoggle is his son, so he can get at Vince's money, and he's the face?

Vince is swerved, made to believe a leprichaun is his son, grows to love him, and is finally told that he was duped all along, and he's the heel?

JBL finally reveals the truth about a huge swindle, all because it's the right thing to do, and he's also a heel?

The only person whose role makes sence is Hornswoggle. He was duped into thinking someone else is his dad, and he's a face.

Am I the only person this seems bass akwards to?

[James McCloud IS John Godot]

Well, the thing is, all that stuff, as bad as it is, is just window dressing. Finlay is the face purely because he's the protector of Hornswoggle, who was massacred by JBL, the heel.

JBL isn't a heel for revealing this. He's a heel for continually attacking Hornswoggle. Finaly isn't a face for trying to get Vince's money, but because he's now looking out for Hornswoggle.

[Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers]

misteryummy said:

This angle has been stupid for months, but now it's defying wrestling logic, as well as standard every day logic.

OK, so Fit Finlay plotted with Shane, Stephanie, and Linda to make Vince think Hornswoggle is his son, so he can get at Vince's money, and he's the face?

Vince is swerved, made to believe a leprichaun is his son, grows to love him, and is finally told that he was duped all along, and he's the heel?

JBL finally reveals the truth about a huge swindle, all because it's the right thing to do, and he's also a heel?

The only person whose role makes sence is Hornswoggle. He was duped into thinking someone else is his dad, and he's a face.

Am I the only person this seems bass akwards to?

Yes. You're the only one. All the other threads ranting about this and the gooker award from 2007 were just sarcastic.

[saggyboyflair]

Who wrote this trash anyway? Where does it end? They just need to end this ridiculous storyline all together.
JBL must love being stuck in that mess or a storyline. With career curtain jerker finaly, a lunatic senile mcmahon and a midget.

[EJS]

I'm holding out hope that it turns out JBL has the story wrong, and Vince already knew about Finlay/Hornswoggle, and whatever the reason for the farce is, it was Vince and Finlay's "deal". Finlay obviously grew to regret the "deal" as he felt Vince was going back on his word (which probably was something about Horny not being put in any danger).

[vincesson]

I was more concerned watching the segment that Finlay, McMahon, and JBL all had their timing off and there were several long silent gaps (were they expecting a crowd reaction that never came?) . I thought that Hornswoggle was the only one who seemed to hit his cues on the money. I went back and watched a couple of times and the timing seemed real off.

I think if you go back there have been many storyline where doing something bad to a bad person makes you a hero. Its been around a while like the time Austin attacked McMahon in the hospital .

[strykerdarksilence]

saggyboyflair said:

Who wrote this trash anyway? Where does it end? They just need to end this ridiculous storyline all together.
JBL must love being stuck in that mess or a storyline. With career curtain jerker finaly, a lunatic senile mcmahon and a midget.

Just to nitpick slightly.

Finlay has won gold wherever he has gone, is a former WCW TV champion and WWE US champion, and has been a solid upper midcarder ever since he returned to active wrestling. Not a career curtain jerker.

Vince might be "senile" as you put it, but his Wrestlemania storyline is always one of the highest drawing and is usually an entertaining farce if nothing else.

Like it or not, Hornswoggle is one of the most over people on the roster.

The storyline I agree is a real mess, but I doubt JBL is unhappy being involved in what is arguably the highest profile match going into Mania.

[Handsome Halfbreed]

Rediculious storylines are just part of the deal in pro wrestling.
Its when they try to make clever sense of these rediculious angles is it then entered into the relm of wrestlecrap.

Of course we know Horny is not Vince's son... but why make it an angle in which we come to find out he wasn't all along.
Its no different to the Billy and Chuck wedding. Even the most mark happy fan knew niether guy was really gay but why make it an angle in which the marriage was all a publicity stunt.
Its like the countless "I'm injured in a wheel chair but to help the heel win I'll jump to my feet and show to the world that I was pretending all along." swerves.

Ultimately what these angles do is take the fun out of the "rediculious storyline". Why invest in a funny, silly senseless angle only for it to take a serious yet still completely senseless turn.

I usually look forward to the VKM match at Mania and invest myself into the storylines but this year I'm just going to mindlessly watch and wait till the next match on the card.

[amsiraK]

It's not the ridiculous nature that gets me. Ridiculous and pro-wrestling go hand in hand. It's the way this has been dragged out forever. It was amusing at first, but now it's just... *shakes head*

I hate that Vince needs to keep himself in the spotlight. I know this is his company and all, but the Evil Mr. Mack-Man thing lost its drawing value long ago. Now it's just a joke.

[Janitor From Mars]

saggyboyflair said:

Who wrote this trash anyway?

Gotta be Stephanie McMahon the writing genius.

/sarcasm

[bigHEADinc]

Okay, I know the whole storyline is absolutely ridiculous and parts were either poop-grade horrid or surprisingly genius (The Hornswoggle beatdown with Finlay being locked up)....

But you know what excites me the most about this whole thing?

We're being given Finlay vs. JBL on a silver platter for Mania. My only one gripe would be that it's not a proper Street Fight, but it will definitely be a fun brawl.

[wrasslinmachine]

This is a silly storyline so maybe it did deserve to win Gooker anyway. Than again we get Finaly vs. JBL which will be a fun fight to watch ;D.

[Chainsaw]

veladus said:

misteryummy said:

This angle has been stupid for months, but now it's defying wrestling logic, as well as standard every day logic.

OK, so Fit Finlay plotted with Shane, Stephanie, and Linda to make Vince think Hornswoggle is his son, so he can get at Vince's money, and he's the face?

Vince is swerved, made to believe a leprichaun is his son, grows to love him, and is finally told that he was duped all along, and he's the heel?

JBL finally reveals the truth about a huge swindle, all because it's the right thing to do, and he's also a heel?

The only person whose role makes sence is Hornswoggle. He was duped into thinking someone else is his dad, and he's a face.

Am I the only person this seems bass akwards to?

Yes. You're the only one. All the other threads ranting about this and the gooker award from 2007 were just sarcastic.

Please, do us all a favor and stop talking for everyone.

I think the whole thing's idiotic. If anything, they pulled the trigger on Finlay revealing that he's the father of Hornswoggle and plotting with the McMahons too soon. At least give us some time, deny it, and cast doubt on JBL's motivations and who's lying. And this blows the chance to retcon Hornswoggle being Vince's son and making it someone like JBL or Kennedy.

The whole thing's ridiculous and has been way too drawn out. It's been almost a year since this thing started. At least the upside is that hopefully it's almost over. Then Vince can move on to boring us again with more familial drama.

I appreciate that Finlay is in the spotlight at Wrestlemania, but the cost is, his character's no longer a huge badass in many people's eyes.

[bigHEADinc]

chainsawiscaw said:

I think the whole thing's idiotic. If anything, they pulled the trigger on Finlay revealing that he's the father of Hornswoggle and plotting with the McMahons too soon. At least give us some time, deny it, and cast doubt on JBL's motivations and who's lying. And this blows the chance to retcon Hornswoggle being Vince's son and making it someone like JBL or Kennedy.

The whole thing's ridiculous and has been way too drawn out. It's been almost a year since this thing started. At least the upside is that hopefully it's almost over. Then Vince can move on to boring us again with more familial drama.

I appreciate that Finlay is in the spotlight at Wrestlemania, but the cost is, his character's no longer a huge badass in many people's eyes.

So you think they dragged it out for too long but pulled the trigger too early?

[amsiraK]

bigheadinc said:

Okay, I know the whole storyline is absolutely ridiculous and parts were either poop-grade horrid or surprisingly genius (The Hornswoggle beatdown with Finlay being locked up)....

But you know what excites me the most about this whole thing?

We're being given Finlay vs. JBL on a silver platter for Mania. My only one gripe would be that it's not a proper Street Fight, but it will definitely be a fun brawl.

That's the only bright spot. And it's taken entirely too long for us to get to it. Wouldn't it have made more sense to have JBL start roughing up Hornswoggle while he was still a commentator? At least have some REAL animosity building up rather than involving this stupid, convoluted "My BAAASSSTARD son" storyline that dragged on for an eternity before the payoff?

[Chainsaw]

bigheadinc said:

chainsawiscaw said:

I think the whole thing's idiotic. If anything, they pulled the trigger on Finlay revealing that he's the father of Hornswoggle and plotting with the McMahons too soon. At least give us some time, deny it, and cast doubt on JBL's motivations and who's lying. And this blows the chance to retcon Hornswoggle being Vince's son and making it someone like JBL or Kennedy.

The whole thing's ridiculous and has been way too drawn out. It's been almost a year since this thing started. At least the upside is that hopefully it's almost over. Then Vince can move on to boring us again with more familial drama.

I appreciate that Finlay is in the spotlight at Wrestlemania, but the cost is, his character's no longer a huge badass in many people's eyes.

So you think they dragged it out for too long but pulled the trigger too early?

I think they could have made it more interesting if they had cast some doubt on it, but since they didn't, I knew there wasn't going to be any saving of the storyline. There was just way too much silliness that came out of it for my taste. As soon as they started defying the laws of basic physics and everything became a cartoon, I jumped off board.

And please do not throw the Undertaker/Kane magic arguments at me either. To me, that's an entirely different circumstance. Stuff like that never offended me as an intelligent human being (although the continuity issues there I'd rather not think about).

The whole storyline to me is rife with missed opportunities. They could have had Horny turn on Finlay and become a proper McMahon, like Guapito in AAA. They could have spun Kennedy into this. They could have actually had JBL reveal he was Vince's son, only to have THAT turn out to be him manipulating the situation. The whole storyline felt like a Choose Your Own Adventure book where every ending has you getting crushed underneath a giant cupcake.

But you guys are right. The silver lining is a bloody and brutal match at WM. I just wish it was better thought out.

[bigHEADinc]

Don't get me wrong here, the WWE has it's fair share of issues with angles but so many people are missing the point with this angle... As far as most of us know, Hornswoggle as Vince's son was a last minute decision due to problems with drugs and whatnot... But they took this huge mistake, this problem, and officially made Hornswoggle one of the most over people on Raw! As ridiculous as the whole thing was (And this officially eclipses the whole Kane/UT thing as that still had some semblance of reality), they made people (me included) care about that little green bastard.

And hey, at least the pay-off, at the end, is a match between two talented brawlers, as opposed to Vince vs. Hornswoggle or the Trump/McMahon fiasco last year... While it might not be the end of Hornswoggle, it'll put a nice little exclamation point on a very "Meh" paragraph.

[Chainsaw]

bigheadinc said:

Don't get me wrong here, the WWE has it's fair share of issues with angles but so many people are missing the point with this angle... As far as most of us know, Hornswoggle as Vince's son was a last minute decision due to problems with drugs and whatnot... But they took this huge mistake, this problem, and officially made Hornswoggle one of the most over people on Raw! As ridiculous as the whole thing was (And this officially eclipses the whole Kane/UT thing as that still had some semblance of reality), they made people (me included) care about that little green bastard.

And hey, at least the pay-off, at the end, is a match between two talented brawlers, as opposed to Vince vs. Hornswoggle or the Trump/McMahon fiasco last year... While it might not be the end of Hornswoggle, it'll put a nice little exclamation point on a very "Meh" paragraph.

Well, let's be fair...that match hasn't happened yet.

[Bubble Lead]

I don't see why people are excited about JBL fighting anyone. Dude has sucked since he came back, he's still out of shape and still seems to have tons of ring rust. His return certainly hasn't set the world on fire. He really should have just stayed in the Smackdown booth. It would have saved us from Coach's horrible commentary and shirtless JBL. A win/win if you ask me.

As for this Hornswoggle storyline, its obvious that this thing has just been thrown together, week by week, with little or no thought as to the eventual outcome.