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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 10, 2008 22:13:25 GMT -5
The golgoplata(I have no clue how it's spelled), or whatever. It just flat out doesn't look like it hurts. I know that it's a legit MMA hold and probably hurts like a bitch, but all it really looks like is the Undertaker humping a guy's face(A daunting prospect in it's own right, but still...). I dunno, maybe I'm alone in this, but I just think it looks really weak.
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Post by The G.O.A.T. on Mar 10, 2008 22:14:15 GMT -5
there was a huge thread on this a few weeks back after Lance Storm commented on it
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Post by Mecca on Mar 10, 2008 22:15:51 GMT -5
Being by Takers crotch makes guys mouths bleed......sounds pretty devastating to me.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Mar 10, 2008 22:16:04 GMT -5
I still don't see how Cattle Mutalation hurts, so I assumed I was the only one who'd think so.
Glad to see others do to. He doesn't need the move.
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Post by KLRA on Mar 10, 2008 23:24:10 GMT -5
Well here's my deal with it (it's the same as Lance Storm's deal with it as well): When used against people much larger than Taker, it makes perfect sense to use. However, when used against smaller guys (I'm looking at you Matt Striker) it's a wtfbbq? type of thing.
We get that Taker is a big fan of MMA, but the move should only be reserved for people like BDV and Mark Henry. I thought it was placed perfectly in the match tonight.
Also, looking like it doesn't hurt and it affecting credibility: I present to you the People's Elbow, and even more relevent, the Mandible Claw.
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Post by KLRA on Mar 10, 2008 23:25:33 GMT -5
I still don't see how Cattle Mutalation hurts, so I assumed I was the only one who'd think so. Glad to see others do to. He doesn't need the move. Depends how it's put on and how the guy takes it, which really affect the credibility. It has the potential to hurt like hell, but the majority of the time it just looks like pure flash and no substance. |
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Post by Munkie91087 on Mar 10, 2008 23:33:42 GMT -5
Well here's my deal with it (it's the same as Lance Storm's deal with it as well): When used against people much larger than Taker, it makes perfect sense to use. However, when used against smaller guys (I'm looking at you Matt Striker) it's a wtfbbq? type of thing. We get that Taker is a big fan of MMA, but the move should only be reserved for people like BDV and Mark Henry. I thought it was placed perfectly in the match tonight. Also, looking like it doesn't hurt and it affecting credibility: I present to you the People's Elbow, and even more relevent, the Mandible Claw. Press down on your own gullet and tell me it doesn't hurt. There are a lot of nerves there, and if you put pressure on it, it causes a lot of pain. |
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Post by KLRA on Mar 10, 2008 23:39:05 GMT -5
Well here's my deal with it (it's the same as Lance Storm's deal with it as well): When used against people much larger than Taker, it makes perfect sense to use. However, when used against smaller guys (I'm looking at you Matt Striker) it's a wtfbbq? type of thing. We get that Taker is a big fan of MMA, but the move should only be reserved for people like BDV and Mark Henry. I thought it was placed perfectly in the match tonight. Also, looking like it doesn't hurt and it affecting credibility: I present to you the People's Elbow, and even more relevent, the Mandible Claw. Press down on your own gullet and tell me it doesn't hurt. There are a lot of nerves there, and if you put pressure on it, it causes a lot of pain. I honestly have many a time, and I've never found it THAT painful at all, in fact it was more of a minor annoyance. Maybe it's because I trained in many martial arts and did MMA for a few years that it just doesn't bother me, but I've always seen that as a move that's been totally kayfabed. Which I don't mind because of how it's been built up. |
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Post by Joekishi on Mar 11, 2008 0:12:52 GMT -5
The golgoplata(I have no clue how it's spelled), or whatever. It just flat out doesn't look like it hurts. I know that it's a legit MMA hold and probably hurts like a bitch, but all it really looks like is the Undertaker humping a guy's face(A daunting prospect in it's own right, but still...). I dunno, maybe I'm alone in this, but I just think it looks really weak. He's pushing their throat down on his boots. essentially choking them. Looks better than most other weird "too close" submissions But I they make sure to zoom in on the choking. This is pretty much how I see Taker/Edge ending, the spear countered to the Gogoplata |
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Post by tna on Mar 11, 2008 1:14:36 GMT -5
It's a stupid move because it puts Taker's shoulders on the mat.
And I agree with the above post about the spear being reversed into the crotch hold of bloody death.
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Post by damna on Mar 11, 2008 1:39:55 GMT -5
The gogoplata is a devastating choke, and I agree it works well on the undertakers bigger opponents.
But the bleeding from the mouth crap needs to go....
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 11, 2008 2:19:45 GMT -5
I don't like the fact that his opponent bleeds from the mouth every single time he applies it. Doing it once or twice to get it over was one thing, but if a submission was so deadly that it caused bleeding from the mouth at a consistent rate, they would (kayfabe) ban it.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Mar 11, 2008 4:38:18 GMT -5
Why does Taker need a new submission hold at this point in his career? He's already got 2 devestating, high-impact finishers in the Tombstone Piledriver and The Last Ride. He's also got one of the most high impact set-up moves ever in the ChokeSlam. The new move is totally out of character. Plus, unless I'm thinking of a totally different hold, he doesn't apply it correctly.
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Post by Go 2 Sleeeeeeeeeep! on Mar 11, 2008 13:16:08 GMT -5
THe only problem I have is when their throats explode as soon as they touch Taker's leg.
(i.e. get rid of the blood capsules)
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Post by Matt Dunn on Mar 11, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -5
When I think undead zombies, I don't think MMA submission maneuvers. Sorry, I just don't.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Mar 11, 2008 13:46:20 GMT -5
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I can see why Taker looks for a new finisher as one finisher is just a jacknife powerbomb, another he shares with Kane and a chokeslam he stole from The Giant (and I dont care, no one does a choke slam like ShowGiant). I just dont understand why its a submission move when he's pushed as the WWE best striker.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 13:47:26 GMT -5
Why does Taker need a new submission hold at this point in his career? He's already got 2 devestating, high-impact finishers in the Tombstone Piledriver and The Last Ride. Perhaps they want to steer clear from possibly hurting someone with those two moves? |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 11, 2008 13:50:18 GMT -5
Also, looking like it doesn't hurt and it affecting credibility: I present to you the People's Elbow, and even more relevent, the Mandible Claw. I get what you're saying, and it's actually a damn good point, but at the same time, when Foley puts on the mandible claw, I can actually get that he's pressing down on some nerve in the jaw or throat, and when Rock drops the elbow, I can get that because an elbow to the chest hurts, even with a ridiculously long setup. With the golgoplata, I guess I just don't have the anatomical knowledge to get what the move accomplishes, and it just comes off like 'Taker's humping *insert opponent here*'s face. |
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Post by Loki on Mar 11, 2008 14:31:47 GMT -5
Undertaker using a submission finisher is just like having Rey Mysterio using an elevated powerbomb or Mark Henry a 720 corkscrew moonsault.
It makes zero sense kayfabe-wise, it makes even less sense from a fighting style standpoint.
But Undertaker can do whatever he wants...
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Post by damna on Mar 11, 2008 14:33:07 GMT -5
Also, looking like it doesn't hurt and it affecting credibility: I present to you the People's Elbow, and even more relevent, the Mandible Claw. I get what you're saying, and it's actually a damn good point, but at the same time, when Foley puts on the mandible claw, I can actually get that he's pressing down on some nerve in the jaw or throat, and when Rock drops the elbow, I can get that because an elbow to the chest hurts, even with a ridiculously long setup. With the golgoplata, I guess I just don't have the anatomical knowledge to get what the move accomplishes, and it just comes off like 'Taker's humping *insert opponent here*'s face. It's a choke, plan and simple. The shin presses aganst the throat, resulting in an "air choke" |
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