My problem with Triple H as the main event

[mrjl]

I'm not going to say something about how he shouldn't be, that'd be stupid. I'm talking about my problems with him when he's booked in the main event, as the focal point of the company.

It's the goddamn Pedigree. I think more people would be fine with his time at the top, except every match he'd hit the Pedigree. It didn't matter how many times he hit them with the sledge, at the end he'd drag them up and hit his finisher. In my mind it was basically an attempt to create a false memory. In the fans mind eye, the last thing they'd see during his match was him putting away his opponent with his finish. To make it seem like he dominated rather than cheated to win.

[Steveweiser]

Never minding that he hasn't hit a good Pedigree since his return.

[greate]

steveweiser said:

Never minding that he hasn't hit a good Pedigree since his return.

Since 2001 tbh. I guess they reinforced the safe style with this new execution of the Pedigree.

[knifeedgepops]

Yeah, and I havent seen him hit a wrestling move other then the facebuster and spinebuster in like forever! What gives? :-)

[EvenBaldobombHasAJob]

the probem with Tripper as the main man is that he's only in that spot because all the guys who were more qualified quit.

[Camp Yorick]

He definitely deserves to be a main eventer, but the thing is he helps run the company- it kills the illusion for me when I know he's booking himself. And booking himself terribly, I might add.

I know it's an exaggeration to say he books himself- you know what I mean.

[WWHHHD]

Except he is booking himself...

But, to go to the orignal post. Why not hit your finish? Its called a finisher for a reason, it really should be used in 19/20 matches someone wins by pinfall/submission and throw in for that 1 a possible small package or something like that.

[The Beast Disincarnate]

The pedigree absolutely sucks. Not only that he just stare at the crowd for 2 minutes when he's about to do it (while the opponent would only have to kneel to avoid the manoeuver) but he jumps like a madman and throws his opponent hands first on the mat.
It looks even weaker than the FU or the leg drop.

[Mac]

I hate "finishers" as it is anyway. it should be a signature move, but as wrestling has grown i dont think it needs to be the INSTA-DEATH it once was.

[mrjl]

malonesr said:

Except he is booking himself...

But, to go to the orignal post. Why not hit your finish? Its called a finisher for a reason, it really should be used in 19/20 matches someone wins by pinfall/submission and throw in for that 1 a possible small package or something like that.

Because it creates the illusion the match was won with wrestling. Put it this way, Ric Flair knocks someone out with brass knucks he very rarely applied the figure four.

[Deadman Inc]

chacosman said:

The pedigree absolutely sucks. Not only that he just stare at the crowd for 2 minutes when he's about to do it (while the opponent would only have to kneel to avoid the manoeuver) but he jumps like a madman and throws his opponent hands first on the mat.
It looks even weaker than the FU or the leg drop.

He usually does the kick and immediately follows with the quick pedigree. Once in a while he does the slow tuck, look around and build suspense, then pedigree, and just because he did it last week, doesn't mean he does it that way all the time. You have a bad case of revisionist history.

[hollywood]

I've come to accept HHH as the main man in the WWE and the Pedigree as the end-all be-all of finishers in professional wrestling. Much the same way that I've come to accept the inevitablity of death and taxes.

[bubbles]

He got mixed up backstage with Val Venis sometime in early 1999. Right now Triple H should be bald and on Heat but he broke into Titan Towers, changed some documents and rose to the top.

[BoilerRoomBrawler]

The thing about finishers to me is that they should be special, but when everyone has them, they cease to be special.

Look back to the day of Jake Roberts and his DDT.

The sheer psychology behind the DDT, which is now a relatively standard move, was phenomenal.

One whirl of his finger in the air and everyone knew the match was over in a moment.

But to me, the true secret behind the DDT was this: it was not used in every damn match he had.

It was his trump card; he used when he wanted to end this match NOW.

Where pure wrestling fails, the finisher prevailed.

[mrjl]

boilerroombrawler said:

The thing about finishers to me is that they should be special, but when everyone has them, they cease to be special.

Look back to the day of Jake Roberts and his DDT.

The sheer psychology behind the DDT, which is now a relatively standard move, was phenomenal.

One whirl of his finger in the air and everyone knew the match was over in a moment.

But to me, the true secret behind the DDT was this: it was not used in every damn match he had.

It was his trump card; he used when he wanted to end this match NOW.

Where pure wrestling fails, the finisher prevailed.

Really, cause I've seen Jake Roberts matches. It seemed like he didn't have much beyond the DDT. The short clothesline is the only other move I can think of

[arrogantmodel]

I've been a Trips fan ever since he turned heel at 'Mania 15 and then his street fight with Cactus Jack made me a huge mark for the guy. But even I couldn't stand his dominance in 2002-2003. Nobody should have that kind of hold on the company, in real life or kayfabe. It makes the product stale and boring. Look at Cena now, I know he's doing what creative tells him to, but his dominance has turned off a lot of fans. You need to keep building guys up, not just have 2-3 guys fight for the title over and over, you need to change it up a bit.

As for the Pedigree, the move is brillaint, one of those great moves you can hit on anybody like the Stunner or Mandible Claw. But I hate when guys hit with their knees like Kane and others and totally blow the move.

[Joekishi]

mrjl said:

I'm not going to say something about how he shouldn't be, that'd be stupid. I'm talking about my problems with him when he's booked in the main event, as the focal point of the company.

It's the goddamn Pedigree. I think more people would be fine with his time at the top, except every match he'd hit the Pedigree. It didn't matter how many times he hit them with the sledge, at the end he'd drag them up and hit his finisher. In my mind it was basically an attempt to create a false memory. In the fans mind eye, the last thing they'd see during his match was him putting away his opponent with his finish. To make it seem like he dominated rather than cheated to win.

Wha? You're mad that he uses his finisher as the final move to put somebody away, instead of just a weapon shot/low blow? dude, it makes sense to hit his finisher just to make sure they STAY down.

The pedigree mostly relies on who's taking the damn move, when Jericho, Orton, or HBK take the move it's awesome.

When Kane places his knees first, it pretty much sucks away the impact.

I mean atleast it's not the Styles Clash...where like nothing really hits...and it looks like the guy does a handstand then just falls down..ehh.

I like the pedigree a lot

[mrjl]

basicboogeynomix said:

mrjl said:

I'm not going to say something about how he shouldn't be, that'd be stupid. I'm talking about my problems with him when he's booked in the main event, as the focal point of the company.

It's the goddamn Pedigree. I think more people would be fine with his time at the top, except every match he'd hit the Pedigree. It didn't matter how many times he hit them with the sledge, at the end he'd drag them up and hit his finisher. In my mind it was basically an attempt to create a false memory. In the fans mind eye, the last thing they'd see during his match was him putting away his opponent with his finish. To make it seem like he dominated rather than cheated to win.

Wha? You're mad that he uses his finisher as the final move to put somebody away, instead of just a weapon shot/low blow? dude, it makes sense to hit his finisher just to make sure they STAY down.

The pedigree mostly relies on who's taking the damn move, when Jericho, Orton, or HBK take the move it's awesome.

When Kane places his knees first, it pretty much sucks away the impact.

I mean atleast it's not the Styles Clash...where like nothing really hits...and it looks like the guy does a handstand then just falls down..ehh.

I like the pedigree a lot

I like the Pedigree fine when he hasn't just cheated up a storm to get it set up. A sledge hammer blow should have doctors out to check on his opponent, he should be able to pin them with a finger unless they're writhing to much to hold them down.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

Regardless of the circumstances he uses to get the opportunity to hit it, the Pedigree is a fine-looking facebuster finisher when HHH is on his game.

[Mac]

I only like the INSTANT DEATH finishers when its all the wrestler has. DDP having the Diamond Cutter I thought was great becase he could be getting beaten on for the majority ofn the match, hit it and its over. Triple H doesnt wrestle that kind of match.