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Post by CrazySting on Jun 11, 2008 9:20:40 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=adrift923The weirdest part is where he says everything that happens is God's will and it will make John Graziano a better person (considering he's 99.99% certain to remain a vegtable, I can't work that one out.)
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Post by BlackJackRobby on Jun 11, 2008 9:31:08 GMT -5
Cause your forgetting .1 brother.
Also he may not be a better person, but he makes a great place to put things on top of.
You mind holding this John Graziano, you don't ahh that is so nice of you.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 11, 2008 9:45:38 GMT -5
Just the whole 'its God's will' annoys me. So, because its all down to God, Nick doesn't have to feel guilty or isn't to blame?
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Post by The Royal Our Herobaums on Jun 11, 2008 9:59:10 GMT -5
Cause your forgetting .1 brother. Also he may not be a better person, but he makes a great place to put things on top of. You mind holding this John Graziano, you don't ahh that is so nice of you. I don't care if I go to hell for it...I laughed pretty hard at this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2008 13:10:02 GMT -5
Talk about living in la la land.
If I was Nick I would be in a hole so deep I could not get out.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jun 11, 2008 17:26:27 GMT -5
Yeah, because everyone is right there, knowing Hogan's real agenda.  Stating that God is in control and that you would forgive the others if it was your son who was crippled is not a good way to get people off of your back and stop others from suing you. Also, "fixing" your image so that the general population can see that you're a "nice guy" isn't going to change the anger that the ones who've suffered are going to feel. So does this mean that Hogan is just really bad at "damage control", or is it possible, that just mabe, he could actually be honest here in a time like this? You know, like a human being would be? As far as Hogan's comments of God goes, It's all about weather you believe in him. If you do, then saying that things work through him as being just an excuse is nothing more than a foundationless accusation, rationalized and repackeged however you will. |
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 11, 2008 17:32:26 GMT -5
Watch for summerslam 08: return of Hogan. This time, he'll job (he needs the money).
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Jun 11, 2008 18:22:15 GMT -5
Cause your forgetting .1 brother. Also he may not be a better person, but he makes a great place to put things on top of. You mind holding this John Graziano, you don't ahh that is so nice of you. I don't care if I go to hell for it...I laughed pretty hard at this. Me too...I still am. |
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Post by The Tank on Jun 11, 2008 18:24:47 GMT -5
Watch for summerslam 08: return of Hogan. This time, he'll job (he needs the money). Hogan vs.............Jericho? Kennedy? Carlito? Burchill? I got nothing. WAIT, I'VE GOT SOMETHING! SummerSlam 2008..... The Match of the Year...no, Decade...no, Century...no, Millenium...no, The Match of the Eternity!!! Hulk Hogan vs. Santino Marella!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 11, 2008 20:12:03 GMT -5
"fixing" your image so that the general population can see that you're a "nice guy" isn't going to change the anger that the ones who've suffered are going to feel. No, but it might help protect your TV projects and various commercial endorsements, right? |
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Post by thesunbeast on Jun 11, 2008 21:25:20 GMT -5
"fixing" your image so that the general population can see that you're a "nice guy" isn't going to change the anger that the ones who've suffered are going to feel. No, but it might help protect your TV projects and various commercial endorsements, right? Notice the part where I said "human being". If you're accusation is true, then Hogan would have no heart whatsoever, being that a normal human being in this situation would be struggling to recover (thus revealing truth to clear conscience), and given the notion that drawing quick conclusions despite limited real info and small soundbytes coupled with IWC cleche's, a difference between real life and fantasy, and the personal unknown, such accusations, as I said, are foundationless. |
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 11, 2008 22:57:22 GMT -5
Watch for summerslam 08: return of Hogan. This time, he'll job (he needs the money). Hogan vs.............Jericho? Kennedy? Carlito? Burchill? I got nothing. WAIT, I'VE GOT SOMETHING! SummerSlam 2008..... The Match of the Year...no, Decade...no, Century...no, Millenium...no, The Match of the Eternity!!! Hulk Hogan vs. Santino Marella!!!!!!!!!! Wow. Hogan jobbing to Santion would kill Hulkamania in a way that Heenan and Kevin Sullivan never could.  LOL |
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Post by MuffMasterMan on Jun 12, 2008 2:36:26 GMT -5
I don't care if I go to hell for it...I laughed pretty hard at this. Me too...I still am. So if something crappy happens to you can I laugh hard at you? |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jun 12, 2008 2:39:39 GMT -5
Considering that Hogan has basically the equivalent of Taker's Mania streak at Summerslam, he may not be desperate enough to job at that one.
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Post by boiledewokthe3rd on Jun 12, 2008 4:17:10 GMT -5
I don't think Hogan did anything to pull himself out of the muck with that appearance.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Jun 12, 2008 11:37:14 GMT -5
So if something crappy happens to you can I laugh hard at you? Oh...it always does. And yes you can. I'd be sad if you didn't. |
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jun 12, 2008 12:26:47 GMT -5
Well... obviously Hogan has a heart, and is prone to making mistakes.
But you can't deny the fatherly instinct to want to protect his son.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 12, 2008 18:53:34 GMT -5
No, but it might help protect your TV projects and various commercial endorsements, right? Notice the part where I said "human being". If you're accusation is true, then Hogan would have no heart whatsoever, being that a normal human being in this situation would be struggling to recover (thus revealing truth to clear conscience), and given the notion that drawing quick conclusions despite limited real info and small soundbytes coupled with IWC cleche's, a difference between real life and fantasy, and the personal unknown, such accusations, as I said, are foundationless. Part of being a human being is also sometimes looking out for your own interests first, even when you know you're guilty. Sometimes people don't care about other people the way they should. And Hogan has some interests here beyond the kid in a vegetative state, does he not? There is absolutely a foundation to be suspicious: He makes his living on his reputation and his marketability, and if he can present himself as a humble fella who believes in God after his son nearly killed someone, his mainstream rep might not take such a beating. There's a definite P.R. motive. Unfortunately, the "It's all God's plan" argument does sound like a cop-out to people who know Hogan's history. I'm not talking IWC "history" like "He's supposedly an egomaniac politician backstage." I'm talking factual history like "He admitted to steroid use under oath at McMahon's trial after lying about it to the nation on Arsenio Hall." Known liar + another opportunity for personal gain or protection = a perfectly solid foundation to think Hogan is looking out for Hogan here. Has he ever come out and said: "My son screwed up big-time, and we're very, very sorry"? I'm serious -- I don't know if he's said that. Has he? That's the type of statement that needs to be made to indicate sincerity, not some theological buck-passing. If he says something along those lines, it erases doubts as to his motives. |
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Jun 12, 2008 22:08:01 GMT -5
They've been showing the pics on CNN ad nauseum for a while now. I'm not the biggest Hogan fan. And his son definitely comes off as a class-A douchebag. But no one put a gun to that kid's head and said get into the car. And don't buckle up! I'm not saying he deserved what happened to him, but to vilify the Hogans for typical stupid young adult behavior is dumb. Nick deserved to go to jail. He was liable as the driver. Hulk has admitted that.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jun 13, 2008 4:01:48 GMT -5
Notice the part where I said "human being". If you're accusation is true, then Hogan would have no heart whatsoever, being that a normal human being in this situation would be struggling to recover (thus revealing truth to clear conscience), and given the notion that drawing quick conclusions despite limited real info and small soundbytes coupled with IWC cleche's, a difference between real life and fantasy, and the personal unknown, such accusations, as I said, are foundationless. Part of being a human being is also sometimes looking out for your own interests first, even when you know you're guilty. Sometimes people don't care about other people the way they should. And Hogan has some interests here beyond the kid in a vegetative state, does he not? There is absolutely a foundation to be suspicious: He makes his living on his reputation and his marketability, and if he can present himself as a humble fella who believes in God after his son nearly killed someone, his mainstream rep might not take such a beating. There's a definite P.R. motive. Unfortunately, the "It's all God's plan" argument does sound like a cop-out to people who know Hogan's history. I'm not talking IWC "history" like "He's supposedly an egomaniac politician backstage." I'm talking factual history like "He admitted to steroid use under oath at McMahon's trial after lying about it to the nation on Arsenio Hall." Known liar + another opportunity for personal gain or protection = a perfectly solid foundation to think Hogan is looking out for Hogan here. Has he ever come out and said: "My son screwed up big-time, and we're very, very sorry"? I'm serious -- I don't know if he's said that. Has he? That's the type of statement that needs to be made to indicate sincerity, not some theological buck-passing. If he says something along those lines, it erases doubts as to his motives. Well, I don't think that Hogan will say anything like that while his son is still miserable in prison right now and watching on tv. It may be wrong, but I could make the argument that it looks like he's looking out for his son's mental well being first rather than just trying not to sound like a liar to everyone else. See, we can say whatever we want in order to paint a certain picture of the Hulk, for instance, singling out a line that he used in 1991 to assume that he can't tell the truth, or assuming that it's possible that human beings can feel this or that emotion first in order ti justify believing that Hogan feels this. The fact is, is that there were many years of nonstop Hogan hate going on that was equal too, and many times worse than this, and I'd venture to say, by your logic, that a history of past relentless Hogan hate, the similar breaking down of quotes to paint a negative picture (just the same as past Hogan hate) + other tragedies that have seen others get a free pass = enough common sense for me to determine that these foundations for accusations have canceled themselves out. Example: I know that If William Regal said one day on TV a while ago that taking drugs is bad and wouldn't do it again, and drugs are bad for business, and said that he dosen't have any religous faith because he depends on himself to be in control of his life, I know that if he happened to cry over his friend dying over drugs, and then later got caught doing drugs again, that no one would say that he was just trying to "save face" because he was a "known liar" based off of what he said earlier that "appears to have been a lie", and then also must have used a Theological perspective to get people to believe his lies. Oh, that's right, this DID happen, and no one bashed Regal to the moon. I guess good worker = good person, and bad worker = bad person. See, If anyone view Regal's situation in a light=hearted, feel-sorry for him kind of way, I have news for you: You'd be looking at this in the CORRECT context. You'd probably say thing like "well, we don't now all the facts" ect..."people lie" people make mistakes" ect.. And this would be right, but the same goes for Hogan. Mr. Grazziano could have just as easily gotten "lucky" and just broken his arm, and the situation , as far as I'm conserned, wouldn't have been any better, but people still wouldn't have said much. But now that the damage is much worse, all of a sudden the people involved are MORE guilty. Eddie just so happened to not kill anyone with his LSD laced car crash, only injuring himself, so now he's less guilty of what he did (yes we can deny this all we wan't, but I know that no one maliciously attacked eddie for it), but with Hogan, It's different. There's a double standard here, and I don't like it. |
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Stating that God is in control and that you would forgive the others if it was your son who was crippled is not a good way to get people off of your back and stop others from suing you. Also, "fixing" your image so that the general population can see that you're a "nice guy" isn't going to change the anger that the ones who've suffered are going to feel. So does this mean that Hogan is just really bad at "damage control", or is it possible, that just mabe, he could actually be honest here in a time like this? You know, like a human being would be?
LOL
