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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 10, 2008 2:04:58 GMT -5
This is an attitude I really have a problem with. No one is giving them anything. Its not there fault they are being thrwon out there with no ablility. Instead of throwing your anger where it belongs and that is at Vince's feet, you choose to dog the women. They try really hard(with a probable exception of Ashley), and yes Maria has improved. She has improved as a whole and she deserves credit. So, what's wrong with giving Maria credit for her in-ring work? Oh, thats right, its not Mickie so its not allowed. Dude, what's your beef with people who like Mickie James? Chill out. My problem is not specifically with fans of Mickie. My problem with those, like the poster I quoted, who project a pompous attitude of "Only I am worthy of deeming when its appropraite to give credit to the Diva's and who are you to disrespect my authority." It just so happens that most posters who display this ability happen to be Mickie fans.
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Post by lunataxc on Apr 10, 2008 2:25:10 GMT -5
Again, improvement does not mean Maria did well. Most of the divas wrestle in slow motion still. Just Trashley. Maria did fine maybe at the same level as Sunny. I don't know if she has the athleticism and frame to be able to take her skill to a Trish type level who knows. Im fine with her being just like Stacy. Most of the women(except for Trashley of course) have shown potential. Remember Trish had crappy matches too before she got better. They also need to hire more women veterans to work with them. Wheres Molly Holly and Ivory when you need them.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 10, 2008 2:50:54 GMT -5
I remember when I wanted Ashley to win the Diva search because it looked like she had the most potential. Boy was I wrong.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Apr 10, 2008 2:52:26 GMT -5
I remember when I wanted Ashley to win the Diva search because it looked like she had the most potential. Boy was I wrong. Oh ho ho ho. The sad thing is, you were probably right.
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 10, 2008 4:34:54 GMT -5
Yeah the thing that always gets my engine's revving for the ladies is when I catch sight of their abs........Really gets me going lol Mickie's stomach turns me on - she's got solid abs, but it's not stick thin like, say, McCool's. I love it when a girl has a bit of meat. I would agree also with Mickie cutting out the scream, damn DDT took longer to do than Hogan's legdrop lol I'd rather she did the Long Kiss Goodnight again.
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Post by greate on Apr 10, 2008 5:27:26 GMT -5
WWE has low standards for women.....which leads to some of the fans having low standards as well. I mean, really....giving props to Maria for her in-ring work?? Seems like every time a random Diva learns a move or two she has "improved" and it's like earning your spot. What the HELL are they doing in the biggest wrestling company in the first place? Did they go there to learn their first wrestling move? This is an attitude I really have a problem with. No one is giving them anything. Its not there fault they are being thrwon out there with no ablility. Instead of throwing your anger where it belongs and that is at Vince's feet, you choose to dog the women. They try really hard(with a probable exception of Ashley), and yes Maria has improved. She has improved as a whole and she deserves credit. So, what's wrong with giving Maria credit for her in-ring work? Oh, thats right, its not Mickie so its not allowed. First of all, i don't belong in the Mickie bandwagon. I give credit to the TNA Knockouts, i give credit to Beth Phoenix, I give credit where it's due. Whether they try really hard is not my concern, i don't hear anyone saying "But Khali tries really hard". Why? Because he's a man and he has different standards? Thats not how i think, those ladies didn't just appear to WWE. They were hired and they signed a contract knowing fully what they were getting into but it's about easy bucks for alot of them.
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Post by lunataxc on Apr 10, 2008 7:06:49 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring.
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Post by greate on Apr 10, 2008 7:41:50 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring. Yeah it's about money but atleast those guys get that money from what they're supposed to do. The name "WWE Divas" gives you a clue what kind of a role Vince wants to the women, there ain't no "Women's wrestling" in WWE, the championship is just a mandatory.
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Post by lockedontarget on Apr 10, 2008 11:20:13 GMT -5
Or they'd take advantage of this seperate brand thing and dump all the crappy ones on one show to dance and wet t shirt contests, and the serious workers on the other. so beth, melina, and victoria would be on raw and everyone else would be on sd/ecw then? Beth, Melina, Victoria, Mickie, Nattie, and Jillian. You have a decent division right there. Hire a couple of indie women and throw them in and things would be pretty decent.
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Post by greeby on Apr 10, 2008 11:36:47 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring. Speaking of which, can she please not come back? She's had a nice 7 year-run of doing nothing. She can go make her money elsewhere, and the E can have a women's division which, if not 100% skilled, is at least heading in the right direction
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Apr 10, 2008 14:02:58 GMT -5
so beth, melina, and victoria would be on raw and everyone else would be on sd/ecw then? Beth, Melina, Victoria, Mickie, Nattie, and Jillian. You have a decent division right there. Hire a couple of indie women and throw them in and things would be pretty decent. Don't forget Katie Lea.
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Post by Kae on Apr 10, 2008 14:12:57 GMT -5
Beth, Melina, Victoria, Mickie, Nattie, and Jillian. You have a decent division right there. Hire a couple of indie women and throw them in and things would be pretty decent. Don't forget Katie Lea. The annoying part is that all of those women apart from Mickie are heels. Because Beth's a heel, only Mickie is a real contender to feud against her according to the WWE's booking logic. They need to start booking more of the actual wrestlers as faces. They should have introduced Nattie as a face on RAW, for instance, and they should let Beth turn face. That said, I can see why they book it the way they do. It's much easier to "play" a face when you're a pretty, sexy girl. All most of the non-wrestling divas have to do is smile, bounce and look happy to be there, while pulling off a few flashy, athletic moves. They don't really have to cut compelling promos or show much personality. They don't have to be vicious in the ring, which is dangerous to do if a worker is inadequately trained.
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Post by Kae on Apr 10, 2008 14:15:48 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring. If any of the men on the roster had wrestled at that level, no-one would have claimed that they were doing pretty well. It's that simple to me. With a lot of training and a lot of experience, Maria could be a competent wrestler. She's athletic and she clearly has passion for the industry. She just isn't at that point now, and it's silly to pretend that she is.
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Post by lunataxc on Apr 10, 2008 23:03:36 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring. Yeah it's about money but atleast those guys get that money from what they're supposed to do. The name "WWE Divas" gives you a clue what kind of a role Vince wants to the women, there ain't no "Women's wrestling" in WWE, the championship is just a mandatory. Vinces has been naming them Divas since Sable first came? Whats that got to do with role the Women play in the WWE.
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Post by lunataxc on Apr 10, 2008 23:05:23 GMT -5
You could say that about any body on roster its always about the money. Maria is trying she did pretty well in that match. Torrie Wilson has been around longer than any of the current divas and she has yet to look that good in the ring. If any of the men on the roster had wrestled at that level, no-one would have claimed that they were doing pretty well. It's that simple to me. With a lot of training and a lot of experience, Maria could be a competent wrestler. She's athletic and she clearly has passion for the industry. She just isn't at that point now, and it's silly to pretend that she is. See I hold the men to a much different standard. I say Maria look as good as Trish during her first few years with WWE.
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Post by neongreen on Apr 10, 2008 23:16:27 GMT -5
All this criticism towards the Diva's yet Victoria gets a free pass despite injuring how many?
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Post by jzbadblood on Apr 10, 2008 23:18:19 GMT -5
I apologize for being "out of the loop" on this, but what's with all of the Ashley hate? She isn't the best wrestler in the world, but I don't think she's that bad... She could be in a broom closet and not even be the best wrestler in the room. That's not fair though. Remember when Flair took that broom on a 5 star 60 minute broadway? Amazing match.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 10:49:35 GMT -5
Or they'd take advantage of this seperate brand thing and dump all the crappy ones on one show to dance and wet t shirt contests, and the serious workers on the other. so beth, melina, and victoria would be on raw and everyone else would be on sd/ecw then? Jillian (the forgotten one) would be on Raw as well. They just give her SmackDown "quality" characteristics, like bad singing or a brain mole on her face.
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