When's Abyss coming back?

[jfpierce]

Does anyone know? If he comes back under a new gimmick, he better have some sort of mask. He is awesome, but very goofy looking.

[Ace Diamond]

Rumors at one point have him coming back unmasked (good lord no), but I think keeping him away long enough for people to forget the rehash of the Kane/Undertaker story they put him and Judas MeUseless through would be a good idea.

[joeman]

He will come back with his head shaved.

[greate]

If there is a guy in TNA who deserves a vacation, it's him.

[SickFlipPiledriver]

Next month as Curry Monster

[Ace Diamond]

Apr 16, 2008 17:26:21 GMT -5 greate said:

If there is a guy in TNA who deserves a vacation, it's him.

Ironically on his vacation he will repeatedly be hit over the head with objects and fall through things like tables and poorly placed board with razor wire on them

[Mecca]

He can come back with no mask, he'll have a midget on his shoulders and be called Master Blaster.

[Next Level was WRONG]

Apr 17, 2008 1:30:13 GMT -5 SickFlipPiledriver said:

Next month as Curry Monster

Now thats money.

[greate]

Seriously, how many stiches you think Abyss has on his body??

[Mecca]

Apr 17, 2008 2:58:44 GMT -5 greate said:

Seriously, how many stiches you think Abyss has on his body??

It can't be remotely worth it can it?

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

IMO, Abyss should come back with some sort of Vader ring gear. A semi-mask, but with fighting/pro wrestling gear, with a real singlet/tights, real wrestling boots, maybe MMA fighting gloves, kickpads, etc.

The complicated storylines and tack/gimmick match gimmicks, and the lame leather slacks/leather vest help kill the Abyss the character in 2008 pro wrestling. He's too fake looking, too cartoonish, no matter how many times he carves his arms up and dives face first into thumbtacks. He looks too 1990s FMW/BJW, etc.

When I first saw Abyss, I could buy that he was a killing machine in a wrestling ring, but that was four years ago. Bad booking and bad character development turned him into a bad cartoon character with no realism. He'd be a pretty decent badass if the character was still somewhat menacing, but just focused on winning, and keep the wild hair, because that's pretty timeless in wrestling.

So make him more like Vader. A semi-realistic, non-monster, more athletic-looking threat.

Plus, everytime some casual fan saw this new version of Abyss, they wouldn't think he was ripping off (or actually once was) Mankind or Kane. Maybe they'll think Abyss was ripping off Vader (less doubtful), but I always thought the look of 1993 Vader's character came 15 years too early, and 2008 Abyss's look came 15 years too late.

You have to package Abyss properly, because if you take away all the bells and whistles from Abyss, then you have a far less talented, but more tatted-up version of Terry Gordy, or...Tall Rhino.

PS: I realize that Rellik already has sort of the look that I'm talking about, but this new Abyss wouldn't be booked as a 1980s comic book/cartoon wrestling character wearing a half-dress trying to make Eric Young pee his pants, but as a world-class fighter trying to secure championships and destroy like Vader back in Japan and WCW.

[Baixo Astral]

Apr 17, 2008 3:57:10 GMT -5 "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis said:

IMO, Abyss should come back with some sort of Vader ring gear. A semi-mask, but with fighting/pro wrestling gear, with a real singlet/tights, real wrestling boots, maybe MMA fighting gloves, kickpads, etc.

The complicated storylines and tack/gimmick match gimmicks, and the lame leather slacks/leather vest help kill the Abyss the character in 2008 pro wrestling. He's too fake looking, too cartoonish, no matter how many times he carves his arms up and dives face first into thumbtacks. He looks too 1990s FMW/BJW, etc.

When I first saw Abyss, I could buy that he was a killing machine in a wrestling ring, but that was four years ago. Bad booking and bad character development turned him into a bad cartoon character with no realism. He'd be a pretty decent badass if the character was still somewhat menacing, but just focused on winning, and keep the wild hair, because that's pretty timeless in wrestling.

So make him more like Vader. A semi-realistic, non-monster, more athletic-looking threat.

Plus, everytime some casual fan saw this new version of Abyss, they wouldn't think he was ripping off (or actually once was) Mankind or Kane. Maybe they'll think Abyss was ripping off Vader (less doubtful), but I always thought the look of 1993 Vader's character came 15 years too early, and 2008 Abyss's look came 15 years too late.

You have to package Abyss properly, because if you take away all the bells and whistles from Abyss, then you have a far less talented, but more tatted-up version of Terry Gordy, or...Tall Rhino.

PS: I realize that Rellik already has sort of the look that I'm talking about, but this new Abyss wouldn't be booked as a 1980s comic book/cartoon wrestling character wearing a half-dress trying to make Eric Young pee his pants, but as a world-class fighter trying to secure championships and destroy like Vader back in Japan and WCW.

Why does everyone always want to take away the wacked out gimmicks? I mean, come on... it's rasslin'.

[rapidfire187]

Apr 17, 2008 1:30:13 GMT -5 SickFlipPiledriver said:

Next month as Curry Monster

Holy crap, I can't believe somebody else said that...I was seriously about to. Dammit...this sucks.

[greate]

Apr 17, 2008 3:57:10 GMT -5 "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis said:

IMO, Abyss should come back with some sort of Vader ring gear. A semi-mask, but with fighting/pro wrestling gear, with a real singlet/tights, real wrestling boots, maybe MMA fighting gloves, kickpads, etc.

The complicated storylines and tack/gimmick match gimmicks, and the lame leather slacks/leather vest help kill the Abyss the character in 2008 pro wrestling. He's too fake looking, too cartoonish, no matter how many times he carves his arms up and dives face first into thumbtacks. He looks too 1990s FMW/BJW, etc.

When I first saw Abyss, I could buy that he was a killing machine in a wrestling ring, but that was four years ago. Bad booking and bad character development turned him into a bad cartoon character with no realism. He'd be a pretty decent badass if the character was still somewhat menacing, but just focused on winning, and keep the wild hair, because that's pretty timeless in wrestling.

So make him more like Vader. A semi-realistic, non-monster, more athletic-looking threat.

Plus, everytime some casual fan saw this new version of Abyss, they wouldn't think he was ripping off (or actually once was) Mankind or Kane. Maybe they'll think Abyss was ripping off Vader (less doubtful), but I always thought the look of 1993 Vader's character came 15 years too early, and 2008 Abyss's look came 15 years too late.

You have to package Abyss properly, because if you take away all the bells and whistles from Abyss, then you have a far less talented, but more tatted-up version of Terry Gordy, or...Tall Rhino.

PS: I realize that Rellik already has sort of the look that I'm talking about, but this new Abyss wouldn't be booked as a 1980s comic book/cartoon wrestling character wearing a half-dress trying to make Eric Young pee his pants, but as a world-class fighter trying to secure championships and destroy like Vader back in Japan and WCW.

Gotta agree with that, Abyss has taken way too much damage already for the sake of his health. Stop putting the guy through these hardcore matches unless you wanna have a new Chris Benoit in the future. I can't believe TNA management would blatantly exploit Abyss's willingness after all the tragedies in wrestling. His hardcore style makes every other hardcore match look weak in comparison and if he cant put himself over other than "I can take more chair shots than the the other guy" then it ain't worth it.

[Deleted]

I was never a fan of Abyss so I'd say never.

[greate]

Apr 17, 2008 9:54:06 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

I was never a fan of Abyss so I'd say never.

Well i'm glad that Abyss doesn't take his financial advise from you, little respect for the guy he's given his damn health for TNA.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2008 10:13:11 GMT -5 greate said:

Apr 17, 2008 9:54:06 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

I was never a fan of Abyss so I'd say never.

Well i'm glad that Abyss doesn't take his financial advise from you, little respect for the guy he's given his damn health for TNA.

Finanical advice? Respect? Health?

Who really cares about all that? I never cared for the guy in the ring, so why would I want to see him come back? I could really care less about all he's done for TNA as it never entertained me.

[greate]

Apr 17, 2008 10:19:59 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

Apr 17, 2008 10:13:11 GMT -5 greate said:

Well i'm glad that Abyss doesn't take his financial advise from you, little respect for the guy he's given his damn health for TNA.

Finanical advice? Respect? Health?

Who really cares about all that? I never cared for the guy in the ring, so why would I want to see him come back? I could really care less about all he's done for TNA as it never entertained me.

It's not about you, it's about abyss. He has rights for his job after all he's done.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2008 10:58:46 GMT -5 greate said:

Apr 17, 2008 10:19:59 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

Finanical advice? Respect? Health?

Who really cares about all that? I never cared for the guy in the ring, so why would I want to see him come back? I could really care less about all he's done for TNA as it never entertained me.

It's not about you, it's about abyss. He has rights for his job after all he's done.

If I'm not entertained by him why would I want him to come back? All I said was that I don't care for the guy so if he never showed up again, I wouldn't miss him. I don't watch Impact out of loyalty to what the performers have done, I watch it to be entertained, just like everyone else.

Just like you think he should come back, I think he shouldn't.

Its just a matter of opinion.

[comahan]

I like Abyss, I really do. But they need to stop putting him in terrible storylines, and they need to stop making 90% of his matches hardcore.