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Post by Bobby Womack on May 6, 2008 15:28:01 GMT -5
and we wonder why its hard for the WWE to push new guys... fans crapping on them without giving them a chance. The guy isnt going to be an immediate Rock or Triple H... Hell, even those 2 werent an immediate Rock and Triple H. Give them time and see what happens. Remember, a majority of people use to hate the rock, santino, morrison/nitro, miz, etc... and people warmed up to them. You dont have to fall in love with these guys right away, but take them at what they are... new guys trying to learn the biz.... that being said... cody is beginning to impress me. He's not great, but he is getting better and finding his groove. im the one who crapped on him so i guess you're referring to me you're right hes not great, all the fawning over him is because people expected him to be totally hopeless like most greenhorns but actually could string 2 words together, thats not impressive, im of the school of thought that one should 'find their groove' before they make it to worldwide tv and get handed a title, raw should not be used as a developemental show, and someone who has shown no redeeming qualities should not be given such a nice push and shoved down the fans throats with no reason to like him other than being the dreams son
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on May 6, 2008 15:33:05 GMT -5
I liked him in OVW, he's been bland in WWE, but I hope his mic time grows.
And PLEASE get him away from Baldcore and get a better finisher.
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Post by chiefdom on May 6, 2008 15:56:50 GMT -5
im the one who crapped on him so i guess you're referring to me you're right hes not great, all the fawning over him is because people expected him to be totally hopeless like most greenhorns but actually could string 2 words together, thats not impressive, Fawning? People are begining to like him, they arent awestruck with him. Over exagerant there... Rock had an IC title pretty quickly...santino too... people warmed up to them. WWE is unlike any other promotion/brand. It is entirely different type of atmosphere that requires getting use to(or writers have to develop trust for...See: Punk, C.M). So yea, every wwe wrester has to "find their groove" once arriving. - Didnt realize we are suppose to do away with undercard. - You say no redeeming qualities, yet some are beginning to like him... Sound like he's doing SOMETHING right - You do realize that he's a TAG champion...that does one segment... in the opening hour of the show... Not exactly 'shoving down our throats'. - People like him cause they like him. Just cause he's someone's son doesnt mean people will like him(see Rock, the) He is what he is, cant really change that...
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Post by sexualvanilla on May 6, 2008 20:29:13 GMT -5
All younger new talent should be cutting promo's you crazy? No
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Post by Jay Broni on May 6, 2008 20:34:19 GMT -5
His promos may be generic, but that's just because he's green. His delivery is pretty good, though. A little time and experience will do him good.
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Post by Bobby Womack on May 6, 2008 21:04:04 GMT -5
Rock had an IC title pretty quickly...santino too... people warmed up to them. WWE is unlike any other promotion/brand. It is entirely different type of atmosphere that requires getting use to(or writers have to develop trust for...See: Punk, C.M). So yea, every wwe wrester has to "find their groove" once arriving. you mention santino as if he were some kind of measuring stick, hes entertaining now in a one dimensional comedy jobber role, hardly a successful wrestling career to aspire to, and rock should be the exception to many rules, not the rule theres also a big difference between adapting your abilities to a wwe setting while being on the roster, and LEARNING to be a wrestler while on the roster, how long was he in ovw exactly? a year? never said anything about doing away with the undercard, there are scores of aptly trained wrestlers who can fill the card, why should someone who has such little experience as a wrestler that they havent even found their 'groove' yet, be the tag team champion of the biggest show of the biggest company in the world? if they have to put him on tv they could have at least sent him to ecw as for the redeeming qualities/shoved down our throats/liking him for his father thing, i was mainly referencing everything prior to a few weeks ago, when he basically had been given no mic time or gimmick/personality and was pushed as a face despite doing nothing face-like other than having matches against heels, the only reason they gave us to like him was his father which they mentioned at every chance, and the rock is a poor comparison because rocky johnson is nowhere near the same league as the american dream
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Post by azz0r on May 7, 2008 6:58:35 GMT -5
All younger new talent should be cutting promo's you crazy? Not at all. Lashley is one of them talents that never really would have gotten far because of his mic skills. However if he'd have talked more and more, maybe he'd have built some personality and we could accept his 5 year old girl voice.
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Post by Grotto on May 7, 2008 8:45:01 GMT -5
Did anyone see his speech for the induction of Dusty to the HOF? He only spoke for a short while...but I thought then that he would be golden on the mic. At that time, though, I did not even know he was getting into wrestling.
I remember thinking after he was done talking that it was a shame he did not get into wrestling. He has that natural charisma and ability to talk. He just needs time to get into his groove. And once he hits a storyline that he can make personal the right words will come along.
I think he has tremendous upside. Give him another year or two to get used to working the crowds and I think he will be huge, if he keeps his head on straight.
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Post by chiefdom on May 7, 2008 9:06:48 GMT -5
you mention santino as if he were some kind of measuring stick, hes entertaining now in a one dimensional comedy jobber role, hardly a successful wrestling career to aspire to, and rock should be the exception to many rules, not the rule Santino: We're talking about being over with the crowd cause of mic work. Santino is over. And he's over cause the company didnt give up on him after his first underwhelming run. Rock: Rule or exception to it, rocky was NEVER great in the ring, he got over cause of his mic work. Cody's not the next rock, but i do believe he should be given the chance to show what he can do. So yes, i believe in both santinos and rock's cases, they validate my point. One from each extreme. - I'm done with the 'groove' discussion, we'd just be going in circles - your complaining that he's a tag champ on a show that basically doesnt have a tag division? That's your arguement? Any tag champ on ANY wwe show right now isnt that big of a deal. - Send him to ECW? Why? Cause its the C-show? He's teaming with holly vs. carlito and santino(who you specifically stated was a jobber). That's pretty low card, and and the same level to what most would consider ECW type fueds. So i can see your point, but thats why i mentioned undercard of RAW. I mean, if ECW is the C show... its matches would be the undercard of Raw right? If he was on ECW you would like him better? The Rock(as Rocky Miavia) was CONSTANTLY slated as a third generation superstar... the son of rocky johnson ... blah blah blah. So if your dad/grandad was a wrestler, we'll give you a shot. If your dad was a superstar, forget it, you suck.
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Post by davidblade on May 7, 2008 9:16:41 GMT -5
Would anyone else like to see Cody do some type of Goldust-like gimmick? Honestly I think he could pull it off.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on May 7, 2008 10:19:47 GMT -5
Would anyone else like to see Cody do some type of Goldust-like gimmick? Honestly I think he could pull it off. Only if it was a one-off thing, and only if they used it to make fun of Black Reign. Call Cody's version Golden Shower, or something.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 7, 2008 10:42:27 GMT -5
I didn't see it, nor did I see much of him in OVW in a speaking role, but as some people said, you can imagine with how good his father and his brother are when it comes to speaking, he's probably picked something up.
And Cody just needs to find himself, he hasn't been wrestling all that long. For as long as he's been wrestling, he's really good. I see guys on the indies and WWE with the same amount of experience Cody has and are abysmal. Not saying Cody is amazing now, but he can learn certainly.
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Post by mrjl on May 7, 2008 12:40:11 GMT -5
and we wonder why its hard for the WWE to push new guys... fans crapping on them without giving them a chance. The guy isnt going to be an immediate Rock or Triple H... Hell, even those 2 werent an immediate Rock and Triple H. Give them time and see what happens. Remember, a majority of people use to hate the rock, santino, morrison/nitro, miz, etc... and people warmed up to them. You dont have to fall in love with these guys right away, but take them at what they are... new guys trying to learn the biz.... that being said... cody is beginning to impress me. He's not great, but he is getting better and finding his groove. im the one who crapped on him so i guess you're referring to me you're right hes not great, all the fawning over him is because people expected him to be totally hopeless like most greenhorns but actually could string 2 words together, thats not impressive, im of the school of thought that one should 'find their groove' before they make it to worldwide tv and get handed a title, raw should not be used as a developemental show, and someone who has shown no redeeming qualities should not be given such a nice push and shoved down the fans throats with no reason to like him other than being the dreams son Because sometimes without a ton of fans reacting you won't know if a guy is in his "groove" or not. Honky Tonk Man came to WWE as a face for example. It's entirely possible they felt his in ring ability was as developed as it was going to get, and they had to see how fans reacted before they could get a handle on who he was. I mean the two areas he could have trained, OVW or FCW are kind of microcosims with what fans want
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on May 7, 2008 12:48:43 GMT -5
Stiff as a 2x4, full of energy but no way to express it cause he's bogged down by the lines they're handing him.
He may never be good on the mic (look how many of these "stars" aren't) but the kid LOOKS like he has something to say. Maybe some day, they'll give him a chance to speak.
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Post by Ramses on May 7, 2008 15:26:38 GMT -5
I liked Cody on the Mic. He's one of the few newcommers that can handle being on the mic. Then again, he's the fruit of Dusty's loins, so some of his 20 star promo qualities should rub off on him.
however, if he ever should say "we're getting funky like a monkey"... well... cut the mic off ASAP!
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Post by Joekishi on May 7, 2008 15:38:09 GMT -5
If Cody wore a Gold face paint, with polka dot speedos...then i'd mark for him
or if he wore his OVW half gold half polka dot speedos
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on May 7, 2008 17:24:58 GMT -5
I think Cody is, or at least has the potential to be, EXCELLENT on the mic.
He has that natural speaking talent, like Elijah Burk has. The only thing he doesn't have, and probably why some people are saying he isn't all that great still, is that he doesn't have an identity, short of being a rookie. Once he's given a bit more of a storyline somewhere, perhaps breaking out from his team with Holly, he can start showing more of who he is on screen.
As it is now though, all he can do is relay the lines he has been given, and I think he has been doing a brilliant job.
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