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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Feb 28, 2008 11:48:49 GMT -5
Who was that brunette that was standing in front of the WCW announce team during the Hogan/Kidman match?
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Post by capnsteve on Feb 29, 2008 2:36:08 GMT -5
I was less of a smark when this was going on and I remember it fondly. I don't think the New Blood were pure heels like a lot of people seem to think. They were presented as being in the right, but obviously it's hard for the fans to truly hate a lot of the older guys. And Kidman was pretty darn over as a member of the Filthy Animals.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 29, 2008 7:34:04 GMT -5
I was less of a smark when this was going on and I remember it fondly. I don't think the New Blood were pure heels like a lot of people seem to think. They were presented as being in the right, but obviously it's hard for the fans to truly hate a lot of the older guys. And Kidman was pretty darn over as a member of the Filthy Animals. Problem was they had Russo and Bischoff helping them, there was no chance they were going to get cheered. Not to mention, not everyone is a smark in the audience who understands that this guy "should go over" or whatever. And what's the obsession with heels going over clean on faces? Unless the guy is a monster heel, that should not happen. I have all the Nitros and PPV's from that time period and they were heels, most definitely. The way they presented the New Blood was that they would do anything to get ahead, they didn't play by the rules, and if you're going up against the likes of Hogan, Sting, Flair, DDP, there's no chance you're getting cheered. As for Kidman being over, he may have been to a certain degree, but nowhere near as over to the point where he should be facing Hulk Hogan. He's far too small to be taken seriously as a threat to not just Hogan, but the other main eventers at that time and has little to no charisma. I know the Death of WCW book paints it out to be like Kidman was on the cusp of being the next Rock or something, but the dude wasn't that over, and if he was, WWE would've capitalized on it and not made him Cruiserweight champion for the 2897348th time or it would've shown enough for at least TNA to want him to come in. If Kidman was that great, it would've shown by now.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 1, 2008 16:20:26 GMT -5
You're a good man Hulk Hogan. A damn good man.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 2, 2008 20:00:18 GMT -5
See, it's entirely possible to pull off a cruiserweight vs. big man feud, but the big man has to be able to sell quickly, and at Hogan's age, that probably wasn't happening. It was basically a poor pairing.
I agree that putting Awesome up against Hogan would've made a lot more sense.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 2, 2008 21:56:22 GMT -5
Hogan VS Kidman was a bad idea. It should have been Mike Awesome VS Hogan and Billy Kidman VS Ric Flair.
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Post by mainsupreme on Mar 3, 2008 18:46:47 GMT -5
I really liked this fued. So refreshing to see Hogan against someone who wasn't a mega monster. Just a kid trying to beat the best in the business ever
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 3, 2008 20:06:42 GMT -5
I really liked this fued. So refreshing to see Hogan against someone who wasn't a mega monster. Just a kid trying to beat the best in the business ever Again, that COULD have worked, but at Hogan's age at the time, he never would've been able to sell Kidman's offense properly. No fault of either man, but since you can't expect a big man to keep up move-for-move with a smaller guy, the big man has to at least sell quickly and be able to work a slightly faster paced match than he might be used to.
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Post by reiko22 on Mar 3, 2008 23:44:47 GMT -5
Shane Douglas beating Hogan clean would have made more sense
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Post by efarns on Mar 4, 2008 19:35:45 GMT -5
Kidman would never have been turned into a main eventer I agree, but could of been bumped up to US title level consistently, and occasional TV main event if the matches had been done properly. He would have been taken more seriously. I don`t agree with all the trashing Hogan gets a lot of the time, but if he was asked to put someone over on tv, he should have done it properly, it wouldn`t have hurt him at all. This post points out the problem. You're talking about maybe bumping a guy up to US title level, and he's feuding with Hulk Hogan. What?!?!?!?!? One man is a legend, and one man isn't even in serious contention for a secondary title. Hogan put over Goldberg, and it didn't work out so well for Bill. He lost to Piper cleanly two Pay Per Views, and he came back bigger than ever. He lost to Warrior cleanly in a legendary match, and after awhile, Vince came calling for Hogan to come back because Warrior and Slaughter just couldn't fill the void. He was supposed to put over Sid, but then the squeegee incident happened. He lost the big blowoff match to Sting, and he was still a huge star. He lost on Nitro by pinfall back to back weeks to Arn Anderson and was still the centerpiece of the company, and AA was still just a Horseman lackey. He lost to Yokozuna cleanly and Yoko couldn't do more than be a transitional champ. He put over The Rock in every conceivable way, and people responded with maybe the hugest ovations Hulk ever got in his life. He did a typical "Hogan vs. big man" feud with The Giant, ended up squashing him in the usual way, and The Big Show has had multiple world title runs after that. He lost to the Undertaker and that guy eventually became something special. The point is, hate all you want, but you can't kill Hulkamania. Bring the guy back tomorrow in any kind of a decent program, and he'd soon be one of the best parts of the show. The people who beat him . . . it's really up to them whether or not they get over.
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Post by Owen Ford on Mar 5, 2008 2:02:04 GMT -5
This was actually one of the most enjoyable fueds ever for me. I LOVED Kidman as the little jerk who was challenging someone WAY out of his league and when he got a fluke victory he would just get even more cocky about it. I just found it really fun and all of Kidmans promos demeaning Hogan came off great.
Kidmans talented, but I never really enjoyed watching him or cared about him till this fued so I wasn't watching it as some missed prospect of pushing Kidman to the moon. I just saw it as good entertainment and thats all I can say I want from wrestling anyways.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Mar 5, 2008 12:22:41 GMT -5
Hogan VS Kidman was a bad idea. It should have been Mike Awesome VS Hogan and Billy Kidman VS Ric Flair. Yes, Kidman vs Flair would have been a whole lot better, and it would have worked out better for Kidman as Flair would more likely put him over properly then Hogan would. But Kidman vs Hogan was stupid
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Mar 5, 2008 14:47:49 GMT -5
Hogan VS Kidman was a bad idea. It should have been Mike Awesome VS Hogan and Billy Kidman VS Ric Flair. Yes, Kidman vs Flair would have been a whole lot better, and it would have worked out better for Kidman as Flair would more likely put him over properly then Hogan would. But Kidman vs Hogan was stupid How would he have put him over properly? If you mean by jobbing clean, that was not going to happen because of the heel/face dynamic in that Kidman was the cowardly heel and Hogan was the face. I know people on the net love heels going over clean for some reason, but that just would not have made sense.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2008 15:47:12 GMT -5
"TEH ORANGE GHOSTS N GHOBLINZ!@!1", Ok, that made me laugh out loud. ;D
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Post by mlsq42 on Mar 8, 2008 5:12:32 GMT -5
Blame it on Russo's desire to try and play to the smart fans, the fans most likely to see through the attempt and hate it, while the regular fans can't understand it.
And as for the original quote about how 'Billy Kidman couldn't draw at a flea market', the irony is that the context was lost.
See, he was talking about someone else (I think Jarrett, maybe Goldberg, but don't quote me on that, someone new who had just come into the company/was just catching on fire), and saying how you can't just plug someone into a main event slot and have them work. For example, Billy Kidman couldn't draw at a flea market. You have to build him up first, you can't just expect him to draw now.
Which if you think about it, is a logical point.
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Post by jamin90 on Mar 8, 2008 5:30:44 GMT -5
Hey, I enjoyed it. It wasn't a great fued, or produce great matches, but it was fun to watch, in a "how the hell could he think he's at that level" way. You compare this to everything else WCW had going at the time, this was pretty good in theory, and still fun to watch
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Mar 19, 2008 20:29:55 GMT -5
The whole angle was horribly executed, again thanks largely to the emphasis on 'shoot' aspects, the Shane Douglas/Ric Flair feud that happened at the same time had a similar origin. Kidman was a decent cruiser wrestler, but didn't really belong in that particular spot IMO.
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Post by spicyranch on Mar 24, 2008 4:19:25 GMT -5
The whole New Blood angle started off so well, but lost more and more steam each week until nobody cared about The New Blood guys anymore.
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Post by angryfan on Mar 24, 2008 4:31:48 GMT -5
It's funny that you should mention Hogan "losing" to Sting, as that match destroyed a full year of one of the best booked angles in recent years. Red hot, everyone wanted to see it, and then...a slow fast count/screw-job schmazz, title stripped the next night, and a year of good booking down the drain.
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