Jtre
Bubba Ho-Tep
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Post by Jtre on Jun 21, 2008 20:45:36 GMT -5
It should be noted that with Cena out for four months last year, Triple H out for nine and Orton, who will probably miss a few months this year, non only have the three not been spending every week of the last several years fighting each other, the three have spent very little time active at the same time over the past two calendar years. Again, if you're going to have five people hold a championship on a show between 2005 and 2008, with two of them no longer on said show, it only makes sense that one of those three be in the title matches. The more I think about it, it sounds like people want the title to be passed around like it was toward the demise of WCW. In reality, for as "enlightened" as Internet fans like to think they are, they basically seem to want every challenger who is built up to take the title. This is evident in any discussion dealing with Triple H, as any challenger who he didn't drop the belt to was "buried" by the Game. Nevermind, that King Booker, Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam all stayed relevant and near the top of the card. Hell, the only one of those three who didn't have a Heavyweight title run following losing to Triple H is a guy who has publicly stated that he doesn't care about winning and losing because the outcome of the match is not important, but whether the crowd is entertained. Honestly, the main event picture isn't as stale as some of you want to believe. It's simply most here are apparently still in love with the Crash TV concept of constant title changes, whether they want to admit it or not. I think you should also look into how many Main Events had 2 of the 3 involved. Also, look into repeated Main Event matches and you'll see that there is a giant span of the same crap going on over and over with little to no progress. That's what makes it horrid. Two of the three have been in the same match 16 times since Unforgiven 2002. Six of those times, including the upcoming NOC, have occurred this year, which has been during the time that there has been a three-way feud built between the men in question. That's not a lot of monotony.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 21, 2008 23:18:51 GMT -5
That's 24 people in 5 years. I'm willing to wager the preceeding 5 years didn't see 24 guys in title matches. You know because the elimination chamber had nothing to do with that... I'm just gonna step away.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 21, 2008 23:24:44 GMT -5
It's very hard to compare eras now because we have two titles and two shows. Maybe the ME scene would have been more interesting it you had Edge, HHH, HBK, Orton, Taker, and Batista floating in and out of the title scene. I think it would be. The brand split was to make new stars, but really, it's just gotten to the point where its one brand built around 3 people.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 21, 2008 23:51:57 GMT -5
Modern day WWE apologists make me laugh. They remind me of the FEMA PR department after Katrina. I wouldn't take it to that extreme, but I wonder why people try so hard. The majority of us here don't like the product or the lack of fresh faces. Does the Attitude Era get sugar-coated? Yeah, but a lot of it was great. The competitiveness of WCW/WWF made shit seem like candy. But at the time, we all lapped it up. Now look what it's become. It's not fair to compare the products to each other. It's also not fair to expect us fans who watched the "golden eras" to expect anything less. Should we glorify Vince while he piles on the same old shit over and over again just because there isn't a new breakout star or a great era? I hate that a lot of people say we've been "spoiled" with the Attitude Era. You know, people are "spoiled" with 3D graphics but that doesn't mean that the video game industry didnt know how to adapt. And you know how many amazing games are coming out now?
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Massive G
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Massive G on Jun 22, 2008 0:15:29 GMT -5
this thread became way too verbose.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jun 22, 2008 8:21:56 GMT -5
Why is it assumed that they've been piling out the same 'Orton/Cena/HHH' crap for 5 years? Orton only truly became a main eventer again in the build up to Summerslam 2007. Cena became a main eventer properly in early 2005. HHH has been good enough that he can reinvent himself so much to the extent that fans will still cheer him. Make no mistake, they will not cheer for him like they do unless he deserves to be at the top. Appearing week after week and still getting the biggest reactions takes talent, and like Taker, he deserves to be there.
They also made Batista a main eventer in 2005. Edge in 2006. This could well be Jeff Hardy's year. Last year, Kennedy had two chances to make it his year. I'm willing to bet that towards the end of this year or into 2009 then MVP will be a main eventer, and Kennedy still has time. JBL in 2004 became a main eventer. Rey in 2006.
The notion that they've kept the same people and don't want to create new stars in the ME picture is a flat out lie. HHH and Cena have had one match together. Cena and Orton worked a 2 month program. HHH and Orton worked a program 4 years ago and then a 6 week or so one on one program this year. They had a three way feud for 5 weeks after No Way Out, with JBL included for 4 weeks for Backlash.
Truly, this is nothing different to what we saw in the attitude era. The main eventers are being used in their spots for similar amounts of time. Just like HHH/Rock dominated 2000, HHH/Cena dominates 2008. And that's not a bad thing, it's not bad business practice, because people REACT to the people they choose as main eventers, it's why there are there.
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Post by Loki on Jun 22, 2008 9:10:26 GMT -5
Blame it on:
Lesnar leaving Eddie dying Lashley sucking and leaving RVD being a moron Jeff being a moron Kennedy being a moron.
WWE's main event has been decimated by Superstars leaving (for various reasons) or dropping the ball. When a couple of people you've decided to push suddenly let you down, or get injured (or worse), what's left to do? Put a random midcarder into the mix, hoping the crowd will buy it, or put a respected veteran who'll always bring credibility to the main event, no matter how "old" his act may be?
Attitude Era had ONE brand, and fans used to love whatever over-the-top and exaggerated stuff WWF was feeding them. But as others have already said, the ME wasn't all that innovative and fresh after a while. It was just the same stuff, with just a different and fancy "dressing"...
Now the dressing is missing, or is dull, so the product looks "poor", while it's still the same old stuff wrestling has ALWAYS been about. With less frills.
That's not being apologetic, it's just looking at things without a pointless nostalgia for the Good Old Days that in the end weren't as good as many like to think.
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Post by kittylimits on Jun 22, 2008 11:22:22 GMT -5
I hope Triple H and Cena use this stat to hype their match some more.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 22, 2008 18:39:49 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it matters how many stats get thrown around: whether you like the fact that these three guys dominate the show or not, people are just going to feel what they feel about it.
You don't need numbers to tell you if you're sick of seeing Cena/Trips/Orton on TV so much, and you don't need them if you're perfectly happy watching all 3 of 'em. Go by your own feelings.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 22, 2008 23:46:17 GMT -5
People are neglecting mention that some of the other guys that got into the main event were at times when HHH or Cena were injured.
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Post by Fantozzi on Jun 23, 2008 10:49:27 GMT -5
just to annoy everyone i'll throw more numbers this is the number of ppv title matches fought by every wrestler
Wrestlemania 14 - Vengeance 2001 (including WCW title matches from late 2001)
Rock 23 Stone Cold 22 Triple H 13 Undertaker 12 Mick Foley 10 Kurt Angle 10 Kane 7 Big Show 4 Chris Jericho 4 Chris Benoit 3 BookerT 2 Shawn Michaels 1 British Bulldog 1 Big Boss Man 1 Rikishi 1 Rob Van Dam 1 Shane McMahon 1
Unforgiven 2002 - Night of Champions 2008 (raw world title only)
Triple H 34 John Cena 25 Randy Orton 20 Shawn Michaels 12 Chris Benoit 6 Chris Jericho 6 Edge 6 Kane 5 Goldberg 4 Batista 4 Rob Van Dam 4 Kurt Angle 4 Kevin Nash 3 BookerT 3 Umaga 3 Scott Steiner 2 Great Khali 2 Bobby Lashley 2 Christian 1 Carlito 1 Chris Masters 1 Mick Foley 1 Jeff Hardy 1 JBL 1
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