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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Jun 20, 2008 14:50:17 GMT -5
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It's interesting to note that since the creation of the second WWE Title in September 2002, every Raw title pay-per-view match besides two has featured either Triple H, John Cena or Randy Orton. And in the two shows in which none of the three wrestlers were featured, Triple H was in the main event of both pay-per-views, which of course were pushed bigger than the title matches on those shows.Those two shows are Bad Blood 2004 (featuring Chris Benoit Hardcore Holly vs. Kane in a long forgotten match with Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels in a 47-minute Hell in the Cell bout as the main event) and Vengeance 2006 (featuring Rob Van Dam vs. Edge in an undercard match and the in-ring reunion of D-Generation X in the main event, who took on the entire Spirit Squad in a 5-on-2 Handicap Match).
Is this true? Can someone verify?
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Post by Jtre on Jun 20, 2008 15:02:57 GMT -5
credit: wrestlinginc.com It's interesting to note that since the creation of the second WWE Title in September 2002, every Raw title pay-per-view match besides two has featured either Triple H, John Cena or Randy Orton. And in the two shows in which none of the three wrestlers were featured, Triple H was in the main event of both pay-per-views, which of course were pushed bigger than the title matches on those shows.Those two shows are Bad Blood 2004 (featuring Chris Benoit Hardcore Holly vs. Kane in a long forgotten match with Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels in a 47-minute Hell in the Cell bout as the main event) and Vengeance 2006 (featuring Rob Van Dam vs. Edge in an undercard match and the in-ring reunion of D-Generation X in the main event, who took on the entire Spirit Squad in a 5-on-2 Handicap Match).
Is this true? Can someone verify? It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? |
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Post by Jay Broni on Jun 20, 2008 15:06:53 GMT -5
Yep, sounds about right.
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 20, 2008 15:12:47 GMT -5
credit: wrestlinginc.com It's interesting to note that since the creation of the second WWE Title in September 2002, every Raw title pay-per-view match besides two has featured either Triple H, John Cena or Randy Orton. And in the two shows in which none of the three wrestlers were featured, Triple H was in the main event of both pay-per-views, which of course were pushed bigger than the title matches on those shows.Those two shows are Bad Blood 2004 (featuring Chris Benoit Hardcore Holly vs. Kane in a long forgotten match with Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels in a 47-minute Hell in the Cell bout as the main event) and Vengeance 2006 (featuring Rob Van Dam vs. Edge in an undercard match and the in-ring reunion of D-Generation X in the main event, who took on the entire Spirit Squad in a 5-on-2 Handicap Match).
Is this true? Can someone verify? It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Substitute Foley for HHH and you would be right. Why this is continuely brought up as something shocking or suprising is beyond me. |
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Post by metylerca on Jun 20, 2008 15:15:32 GMT -5
It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Substitute Foley for HHH and you would be right. Why this is continuely brought up as something shocking or suprising is beyond me. It proves that HHH gets preferential treatment. It shows how depsite making 'poopy faces', Cena somehow is in the main event. It also shows how Orton can crap in a gym bag but still get pushed. It does not show how all of the mid card heels are being held back, but only because HHH won't allow it. |
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Jun 20, 2008 15:26:24 GMT -5
It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Substitute Foley for HHH and you would be right. Why this is continuely brought up as something shocking or suprising is beyond me. I guess it's because, besides Cena, there's not a demand for HHH and Orton on top perpetually. They're not draws like the aforementioned men. I truly understand what you're saying, I do, but in this case, unlike the Hogan era, or the Attitude era, only Cena is a cash cow that can be defended in a constant top tier position perpetually. The other two, while over and good hands in the ring, can't really be justified given constant opportunity over others that they could experiement with, because numbers wise, they're not really making a dent anyway. I'm not saying that they should never main event, but the numbers (up until the DX run with HHH) refute primarily focusing on just them. Cena? Well, he's the golden goose. That makes total sense, business-wise. |
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Post by Diddly on Jun 20, 2008 15:40:31 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2002 - Triple H vs. RVD No Mercy 2002 - Triple H vs. Kane Survivor Series 2002 - Triple H vs. RVD vs. Jericho vs. Kane vs. Booker T vs. HBK Armageddon 2002 - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels Royal Rumble 2003 - Triple H vs. Scott Steiner No Way Out 2003 - Triple H vs. Scott Steiner Wrestlemania XIX - Triple H vs. Booker T Backlash 2003 - No Raw title match Judgment Day 2003 - Triple H vs. Kevin Nash Bad Blood 2003 - Triple H vs. Kevin Nash Summerslam 2003 - Triple H vs. Randy Orton vs. Goldberg vs. Jericho vs. HBK vs. Kevin nash Unforgiven 2003 - Triple H vs. Goldberg Survivor Series 2003 - Triple H vs. Goldberg Armageddon 2003 - Triple H vs. Goldberg vs. Kane Royal Rumble 2004 - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania XX - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. That Canadian Guy Backlash 2004 - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. That Canadian Guy Bad Blood 2004 - That Canadian Guy vs. Kane Vengeance 2004 - Triple H vs. That Canadian Guy Summerslam 2004 - That Canadian Guy vs. Randy Orton Unforgiven 2004 - Triple H vs. Randy Orton Taboo Tuesday 2004 - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels Survivor Series 2004 - No Raw title match New Year's Revolution 2005 - Triple H vs. Batista vs. Randy Orton vs. That Canadian Guy vs. Jericho vs. Edge Royal Rumble 2005 - Triple H vs. Randy Orton Wrestlemania 21 - Triple H vs. Batista Backlash 2005 - Triple H vs. Batista Vengeance 2005 - Triple H vs. Batista, John Cena vs. Jericho vs. Christian Summerslam 2005 - John Cena vs. Jericho Unforgiven 2005 - John Cena vs. Kurt Angle Taboo Tuesday 2005 - John Cena vs. Kurt Angle Survivor Series 2005 - John Cena vs. Kurt Angle New Year's Revolution 2006 - Elimination Chamber featuring Cena Wrestlemania 22 - Cena vs. Triple H Backlash 2006 - Cena vs. HHH vs. Edge ECW One Night Stand - Cena vs. RVD Vengeance 2006 - RVD vs. Edge Summerslam 2006 - John Cena vs. Edge Unforgiven 2006 - John Cena vs. Edge Cyber Sunday 2006 - John Cena vs. Booker T vs. Big Show Survivor Series 2006 - No Raw title match Royal Rumble 2007 - John Cena vs. Umaga Wrestlemania 23 - John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels Backlash 2007 - John Cena vs.  Judgment Day 2007 - John Cena vs. Khali One Night Stand 2007 - John Cena vs. Khali Vengeance Night of Champions - John Cena vs. Great American Bash 2007 - Cena vs. Lashley Summerslam 2007 - John Cena vs. Randy Orton Unforgiven 2007 - John Cena vs. Randy Orton No Mercy 2007 - Triple H vs. Randy Orton, 5 times in one night! Cyber Sunday 2007 - Randy Orton vs. Shawn Michaels Survivor Series 2007 - Randy Orton vs. Shawn Michaels Armageddon 2007 - Randy Orton vs. Jericho Royal Rumble 2008 - Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy No Way Out 2008 - Randy Orton vs. John Cena Wrestlemania XXIV - Orton vs. Cena vs. HHH Backlash 2008 - Orton vs. HHH vs. Cena vs. JBL Judgment Day 2008 - Orton vs. HHH One Night Stand 2008 - Orton vs. HHH Night of Champions - HHH vs. Cena Wow, it's correct. That's a lot of repetiveness! |
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Post by wwerules60 on Jun 20, 2008 15:46:14 GMT -5
This makes it sound like they were up against each other for 6 years. RVD,Kane,Booker T., Goldberg, Shawn Michaels, Edge, Scott Steiner, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho,Christian, Kevin Nash, Batista, Kurt Angle, Carlito, Chris Masters,Big Show,Umaga,The Great Kahli, Bobby Lashley, JBL, Mick Foley, and Jeff Hardy have all had PPV World Title Matches since then.
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Post by Tim on Jun 20, 2008 15:51:58 GMT -5
The missing ones were
Backlash 07 - HBK, Edge, Orton
Vengeance 07 - Lashley, Foley, Orton, Booker
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jun 20, 2008 15:53:51 GMT -5
Substitute Foley for HHH and you would be right. Why this is continuely brought up as something shocking or suprising is beyond me. I guess it's because, besides Cena, there's not a demand for HHH and Orton on top perpetually. They're not draws like the aforementioned men. I truly understand what you're saying, I do, but in this case, unlike the Hogan era, or the Attitude era, only Cena is a cash cow that can be defended in a constant top tier position perpetually. The other two, while over and good hands in the ring, can't really be justified given constant opportunity over others that they could experiement with, because numbers wise, they're not really making a dent anyway. I'm not saying that they should never main event, but the numbers (up until the DX run with HHH) refute primarily focusing on just them. Cena? Well, he's the golden goose. That makes total sense, business-wise. How do you know there isn't a demand? |
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Post by Jtre on Jun 20, 2008 15:57:25 GMT -5
Substitute Foley for HHH and you would be right. Why this is continuely brought up as something shocking or suprising is beyond me. I guess it's because, besides Cena, there's not a demand for HHH and Orton on top perpetually. They're not draws like the aforementioned men. I truly understand what you're saying, I do, but in this case, unlike the Hogan era, or the Attitude era, only Cena is a cash cow that can be defended in a constant top tier position perpetually. The other two, while over and good hands in the ring, can't really be justified given constant opportunity over others that they could experiement with, because numbers wise, they're not really making a dent anyway. I'm not saying that they should never main event, but the numbers (up until the DX run with HHH) refute primarily focusing on just them. Cena? Well, he's the golden goose. That makes total sense, business-wise. I'm going to leave the ratings thing alone and pick up with other forms of revenue. Triple H has headlined some of the biggest shows in history. He consistently gets louder crowd ovations than almost anyone on the roster. Aside from the D-X stuff, his t-shirts seem to sell pretty damn good. Perhaps that is because they look like cool shirts as opposed to wrestling shirts, but people buy them more than most. The idea that there is no demand for Triple H and that he doesn't draw is a misconception. Randy Orton, on the other hand, is a different story. It's always hard to determine if a heel draws, but it's not like he performed to empty arenas when he was champ. |
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Post by Shy Guy on Jun 20, 2008 15:59:49 GMT -5
"that canadian guy" lol
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Jun 20, 2008 16:23:09 GMT -5
Triple H was in EVERY World title match in 2003, and all but 2 in 2004. Holy shit on a stick.
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Post by Full Moon on Jun 20, 2008 16:50:30 GMT -5
credit: wrestlinginc.com It's interesting to note that since the creation of the second WWE Title in September 2002, every Raw title pay-per-view match besides two has featured either Triple H, John Cena or Randy Orton. And in the two shows in which none of the three wrestlers were featured, Triple H was in the main event of both pay-per-views, which of course were pushed bigger than the title matches on those shows.Those two shows are Bad Blood 2004 (featuring Chris Benoit Hardcore Holly vs. Kane in a long forgotten match with Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels in a 47-minute Hell in the Cell bout as the main event) and Vengeance 2006 (featuring Rob Van Dam vs. Edge in an undercard match and the in-ring reunion of D-Generation X in the main event, who took on the entire Spirit Squad in a 5-on-2 Handicap Match).
Is this true? Can someone verify? It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Just to be devils advocate here, in the Hogan era, there was only ever a maximum of 4 pay per view events per year. Up until 1988 (when the Rumble and SummerSlam debuted), there were only two. So to say Hogan and Savage headlining 80s PPVs is the same as HHH, Cena and Orton dominating a total of 36-48 PPVS in the last few years is pretty much off the mark. I personally think it's sick, and a prime example of why WWE is so stale these days. Sure, during 1998 and the Attitude era, the main event scene revolved around Austin, but at least there was some variety. WM XIV - wins the title from HBK Unforgiven - defends against Mick Foley Over the Edge - defends against Mick Foley with Vince as referee and Stooges as officials King of the Ring - vs Kane From there it was Austin feuding with Kane and Taker in the conspiracy angle, the Highway to Hell with Undertaker, then moving to the Survivor Series tournament where the Rock was crowned champ, and then The Rock was introduced into the main event scene. From there the Corporation took off, etc. So it's fair to say that during 1998-1999, the main event scene revolved around a mix of Austin, McMahon, Foley, Taker, Kane, HHH, Big Show, and The Rock. So again...to compare the Orton/Cena/HHH monopoly to the Attitude era is also inaccurate. Face it, Triple Ache, Bore-ton and Weiner are the exact reason the wreslting main event scene is more stale than Chyna's week old underwear. |
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 20, 2008 16:59:18 GMT -5
It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Just to be devils advocate here, in the Hogan era, there was only ever a maximum of 4 pay per view events per year. Up until 1988 (when the Rumble and SummerSlam debuted), there were only two. So to say Hogan and Savage headlining 80s PPVs is the same as HHH, Cena and Orton dominating a total of 36-48 PPVS in the last few years is pretty much off the mark. I personally think it's sick, and a prime example of why WWE is so stale these days. Sure, during 1998 and the Attitude era, the main event scene revolved around Austin, but at least there was some variety. WM XIV - wins the title from HBK Unforgiven - defends against Mick Foley Over the Edge - defends against Mick Foley with Vince as referee and Stooges as officials King of the Ring - vs Kane from there it was Kane and Taker in the conspiracy angle, the Survivor Series tournament, and then The Rock was introduced into the main event scene. So it's fair to say that during 1998-1999, the main event scene revolved around Austin, McMahon, Foley, Taker, Kane, HHH, Big Show, and The Rock. So again...to compare the Orton/Cena/HHH monopoly to the Attitude era is also inaccurate. Face it, Triple Ache, Bore-ton and Weiner are the exact reason the wreslting main event scene is more stale than Chyna's week old underwear. How is....this Austin d. HBK Austin d. Foley Austin d. Foley Kane d. Austin Austin d. Taker Taker and Kane d. Austin Taker draw Kane Rock d. Mankind Mankind d. Rock Rock d. Mankind Rock draw Mankind Austin d. Rock Austin d. Rock (the first 12 title matches of the attitude era) 7 guys any different from... Cena d. Orton Orton d. Cena Orton d. HHH Orton d. HBK Orton d. HBK Jericho d. Orton Orton d. Hardy Cena d. Orton Orton d. HHH/Cena HHH d. Orton/Cena/JBL HHH d. Orton HHH d. Orton (the last 12 Title Matches on PPV) 7 guys |
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Post by Full Moon on Jun 20, 2008 17:02:56 GMT -5
Just to be devils advocate here, in the Hogan era, there was only ever a maximum of 4 pay per view events per year. Up until 1988 (when the Rumble and SummerSlam debuted), there were only two. So to say Hogan and Savage headlining 80s PPVs is the same as HHH, Cena and Orton dominating a total of 36-48 PPVS in the last few years is pretty much off the mark. I personally think it's sick, and a prime example of why WWE is so stale these days. Sure, during 1998 and the Attitude era, the main event scene revolved around Austin, but at least there was some variety. WM XIV - wins the title from HBK Unforgiven - defends against Mick Foley Over the Edge - defends against Mick Foley with Vince as referee and Stooges as officials King of the Ring - vs Kane from there it was Kane and Taker in the conspiracy angle, the Survivor Series tournament, and then The Rock was introduced into the main event scene. So it's fair to say that during 1998-1999, the main event scene revolved around Austin, McMahon, Foley, Taker, Kane, HHH, Big Show, and The Rock. So again...to compare the Orton/Cena/HHH monopoly to the Attitude era is also inaccurate. Face it, Triple Ache, Bore-ton and Weiner are the exact reason the wreslting main event scene is more stale than Chyna's week old underwear. How is....this Austin d. HBK Austin d. Foley Austin d. Foley Kane d. Austin Austin d. Taker Taker and Kane d. Austin Taker draw Kane Rock d. Mankind Mankind d. Rock Rock d. Mankind Rock draw Mankind Austin d. Rock Austin d. Rock (the first 12 title matches of the attitude era) 7 guys any different from... Cena d. Orton Orton d. Cena Orton d. HHH Orton d. HBK Orton d. HBK Jericho d. Orton Orton d. Hardy Cena d. Orton Orton d. HHH/Cena HHH d. Orton/Cena/JBL HHH d. Orton HHH d. Orton (the last 12 Title Matches on PPV) 7 guys Well for starters, I can vividly remembe how the storylines in the 1998 main event scene rolled out. Like I said, from Foley becoming the corporate henchmen, to the summer's conspiracy theory leading into the Highway to Hell, the rise of the Rock as the corporate champion, Mankind's retribution as the year came to an end. Compare that to 2004 when I have no recollection of the year as a whole, other than HHH was feuding with one of three people every PPV for no apparent reason. No serious grudges, no personal rivalries, no gripping storylines. Pretty much just "I'm wrestling you next month cos you hit me with a chair on Raw" |
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Post by Full Moon on Jun 20, 2008 17:04:41 GMT -5
Oh and one other thing, the Austin/Foley/Taker thing we are talking about here lasted ONE year. We are talking 1998. Look at how many main events HHH was involved in - pretty much everything from late 2002 to almost half of 2005. Sorry, but that is absolutely smurfing ridiculous.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 20, 2008 17:08:58 GMT -5
It probably is true. I would also venture to say that every PPV from March, 1998 until 2002 featured Austin, Rock or Taker or Foley. I would also suggest that every PPV title match from January of 1984 to April of 1990 featured Hogan or Savage. I bet every PPV the NWA held in the 1980s that was headlined by a World title match featured Ric Flair or Sting, save for a couple. What is so shocking, and apparently disturbing, that one of three guys would be be in the RAW title picture over the past six years? Just to be devils advocate here, in the Hogan era, there was only ever a maximum of 4 pay per view events per year. Up until 1988 (when the Rumble and SummerSlam debuted), there were only two. So to say Hogan and Savage headlining 80s PPVs is the same as HHH, Cena and Orton dominating a total of 36-48 PPVS in the last few years is pretty much off the mark. I personally think it's sick, and a prime example of why WWE is so stale these days. Sure, during 1998 and the Attitude era, the main event scene revolved around Austin, but at least there was some variety. WM XIV - wins the title from HBK Unforgiven - defends against Mick Foley Over the Edge - defends against Mick Foley with Vince as referee and Stooges as officials King of the Ring - vs Kane From there it was Austin feuding with Kane and Taker in the conspiracy angle, the Highway to Hell with Undertaker, then moving to the Survivor Series tournament where the Rock was crowned champ, and then The Rock was introduced into the main event scene. From there the Corporation took off, etc. So it's fair to say that during 1998-1999, the main event scene revolved around a mix of Austin, McMahon, Foley, Taker, Kane, HHH, Big Show, and The Rock. So again...to compare the Orton/Cena/HHH monopoly to the Attitude era is also inaccurate. Face it, Triple Ache, Bore-ton and Weiner are the exact reason the wreslting main event scene is more stale than Chyna's week old underwear. You sir, are correct. Dispite Austin/Rock (who are the ONLY two you can use from the Attitude Era to compare to the HHH/Orton/Cena stats) being in over 48 PPVs (I'm counting from 1998-2002, which is a bit generous) there was still a shit-load of variety. You had title matches with stips (and not just gimmicks, actual stips that increased the value of the PPV, you can't say that about HHH/Cena 879587979 but now in a CAGE!!!1!!). You also had a massive undercard, several hot story arcs (Austin vs McMahon, Rock vs HHH) and a lot of variety in the ME scene. Compare that to today. While people flow in and out of the ME scene (and then E doesn't know what to do with them), it's not as momentous and ubiqioutus as it was back then. Now you see someone like Jericho lose a ME match and he has a black-mark on him for life. I can't see him in the ME now after being buried by Orton and JBL. Also, they run the same shit over and over, and barely add new stips to it. There are no "never can challenge again" matches, no "special enforcer" and the odds for the faces to overcome get worse and worse every month. Why? The build up to these matches are horrible. Here's a typical month of RAW with the ME: Week One: Challenger announces his intent to win title. Has to beat other guys to get shot. Week Two/Three: Challenger and Champ cut promos declaring their intent to win. Boss makes them team together. Week Four: Challenger/Champ are put in "Pick your poison" situations and overcome the odds. Heel beats up face to either DQ the match or after the match. Rinse, wash, repeat. Ad infinum. Now you take that repetitive forumla we have to deal with 12 times a year and barely switch out the main players. Add in that this is the primary focus of RAW and there is little else to pad it with, causing major over-exposure. Can you see why we complain? |
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Post by Mac on Jun 20, 2008 17:34:43 GMT -5
Just to be devils advocate here, in the Hogan era, there was only ever a maximum of 4 pay per view events per year. Up until 1988 (when the Rumble and SummerSlam debuted), there were only two. So to say Hogan and Savage headlining 80s PPVs is the same as HHH, Cena and Orton dominating a total of 36-48 PPVS in the last few years is pretty much off the mark. I personally think it's sick, and a prime example of why WWE is so stale these days. Sure, during 1998 and the Attitude era, the main event scene revolved around Austin, but at least there was some variety. WM XIV - wins the title from HBK Unforgiven - defends against Mick Foley Over the Edge - defends against Mick Foley with Vince as referee and Stooges as officials King of the Ring - vs Kane From there it was Austin feuding with Kane and Taker in the conspiracy angle, the Highway to Hell with Undertaker, then moving to the Survivor Series tournament where the Rock was crowned champ, and then The Rock was introduced into the main event scene. From there the Corporation took off, etc. So it's fair to say that during 1998-1999, the main event scene revolved around a mix of Austin, McMahon, Foley, Taker, Kane, HHH, Big Show, and The Rock. So again...to compare the Orton/Cena/HHH monopoly to the Attitude era is also inaccurate. Face it, Triple Ache, Bore-ton and Weiner are the exact reason the wreslting main event scene is more stale than Chyna's week old underwear. You sir, are correct. Dispite Austin/Rock (who are the ONLY two you can use from the Attitude Era to compare to the HHH/Orton/Cena stats) being in over 48 PPVs (I'm counting from 1998-2002, which is a bit generous) there was still a crap-load of variety. You had title matches with stips (and not just gimmicks, actual stips that increased the value of the PPV, you can't say that about HHH/Cena 879587979 but now in a CAGE!!!1!!). You also had a massive undercard, several hot story arcs (Austin vs McMahon, Rock vs HHH) and a lot of variety in the ME scene. Compare that to today. While people flow in and out of the ME scene (and then E doesn't know what to do with them), it's not as momentous and ubiqioutus as it was back then. Now you see someone like Jericho lose a ME match and he has a black-mark on him for life. I can't see him in the ME now after being buried by Orton and JBL. Also, they run the same crap over and over, and barely add new stips to it. There are no "never can challenge again" matches, no "special enforcer" and the odds for the faces to overcome get worse and worse every month. Why? The build up to these matches are horrible. Here's a typical month of RAW with the ME: Week One: Challenger announces his intent to win title. Has to beat other guys to get shot. Week Two/Three: Challenger and Champ cut promos declaring their intent to win. Boss makes them team together. Week Four: Challenger/Champ are put in "Pick your poison" situations and overcome the odds. Heel beats up face to either DQ the match or after the match. Rinse, wash, repeat. Ad infinum. Now you take that repetitive forumla we have to deal with 12 times a year and barely switch out the main players. Add in that this is the primary focus of RAW and there is little else to pad it with, causing major over-exposure. Can you see why we complain? Correct, this is pretty much the entire formula for starting a World Title fued now. 1. After a PPV win, the champ is in the ring, gives an interview 2. New opponents music hits. Ta-da! |
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 20, 2008 17:48:05 GMT -5
And for whatever reason the E can't get away from that formula. You know what would be amazing to fill in 2 months worth of material?
One month the undercard fued is 2 guys for the number one contendership after the PPV. Shit, wouldn't that be nice to see again? And it builds to the next month with the contender already established!!!!!11!
Then the champ can take a break one month and they can run a number one contenders tourney with everyone trying to screw everyone and the champ has an invested interest in one of the guys and tries to manipulate the tourney in his favor. Then fueds can grow from other pair-ups, such as the semi's getting a match because semi one f***ed over semi two.
For God's sake...that took me about 30 seconds to think up of, and it's about 3 months worth of material. And it covers the undercard as well.
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