In defense of...WWE defenders.

[chunkylover53]

Jul 9, 2008 21:24:21 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Jul 8, 2008 17:25:05 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

I dont really mind the WWE defenders because they atleast post on the boards since they like the WWE, what i really hate are posters who all they do is bash the WWE no matter what.

This.

especially the ones who usually post on the TNA boards and call all WWE fans marks for liking the product.

Newsflash, we're all marks!!!

I don't mind anybody defending the WWE, or anything that comes out of it. What I do have a problem with is people bashing others for having a negative opinon about something, trying to pass themselves off as positive and insightful. I would do a thread on why I think calling yourself an "anti-smark" is stupid, but that'll just be another IWC bashing thread, and we have enough of those.

[metylerca]

Jul 9, 2008 21:39:29 GMT -5 chunkylover53 said:

Jul 9, 2008 21:24:21 GMT -5 metylerca said:

This.

especially the ones who usually post on the TNA boards and call all WWE fans marks for liking the product.

Newsflash, we're all marks!!!

I don't mind anybody defending the WWE, or anything that comes out of it. What I do have a problem with is people bashing others for having a negative opinon about something, trying to pass themselves off as positive and insightful. I would do a thread on why I think calling yourself an "anti-smark" is stupid, but that'll just be another IWC bashing thread, and we have enough of those.

"anti-smark" on my name is a tongue-in-cheek nod to a thread from way back how there isn't such thing as an 'anti-smark'.

And I don't call people out on bashing unless I see it as pointless or blind hate. It hardly happens these days but there are people who will talk s*** for no other reason than they don't like WWE. They might not have any idea at all of what's going on, but they'll still post their comments simply because they don't like WWE. I'm sure even you have seen these said people.
One topic surely worth mentioning is the Cena threads that pop up every hour or so with one person saying "I hate Cena, he's boring and stale, Vince is dumb for making him the focal point of the company."
The other person would retort with "He makes money, he's a decent wrestler."
Someone else would bring up the spinner belt, and I will quote one such poster saying something along the lines of "Cena and the Spinner Belt are what's wrong with America."
Its one occasions like those I would call someone out.
Not every opportunity possible as it seems you're telling me.

-metylerca

[Lancers]

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one. And in some cases, the people who voice their opinions could very well be perceived as assholes themselves. I wonder if that was factored into the origins of the old saying.

[chunkylover53]

Jul 9, 2008 22:09:29 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Jul 9, 2008 21:39:29 GMT -5 chunkylover53 said:

Newsflash, we're all marks!!!

I don't mind anybody defending the WWE, or anything that comes out of it. What I do have a problem with is people bashing others for having a negative opinon about something, trying to pass themselves off as positive and insightful. I would do a thread on why I think calling yourself an "anti-smark" is stupid, but that'll just be another IWC bashing thread, and we have enough of those.

"anti-smark" on my name is a tongue-in-cheek nod to a thread from way back how there isn't such thing as an 'anti-smark'.

And I don't call people out on bashing unless I see it as pointless or blind hate. It hardly happens these days but there are people who will talk s*** for no other reason than they don't like WWE. They might not have any idea at all of what's going on, but they'll still post their comments simply because they don't like WWE. I'm sure even you have seen these said people.
One topic surely worth mentioning is the Cena threads that pop up every hour or so with one person saying "I hate Cena, he's boring and stale, Vince is dumb for making him the focal point of the company."
The other person would retort with "He makes money, he's a decent wrestler."
Someone else would bring up the spinner belt, and I will quote one such poster saying something along the lines of "Cena and the Spinner Belt are what's wrong with America."
Its one occasions like those I would call someone out.
Not every opportunity possible as it seems you're telling me.

-metylerca

Yeah, some on here just bitch for the fun of it, and that annoys me. What I meant by "anti-smark" is the posters on here(not pointing fingers) bashing others because they have an opinon they don't like or even the entire IWC. Its annoys me because they think they're better than the others on here because they have a different opinon on things. Its impossible to put labels on anyone here because no two people on here think the same. I have opinons that I share with the majority of the IWC, and some that I disagree with. The same can be said about everybody else. I never bash any members for thinking the way they do, but I don't mind debating on a certain subject when necessary.

[HMARK Center]

There's nothing wrong with defending something you liked, but I do really get annoyed at the people trying to come off as "anti-smarks" (considering we're all, you know...smarks. It's not a dirty word or anything), and I get annoyed when people act like they basically need to defend Vince at every turn because he's provided them with entertainment.

Providing entertainment does not a great/good man make. Vince isn't the devil, but one also has to acknowledge that he's a pretty nasty guy many times, as well.

[chunkylover53]

Jul 9, 2008 23:18:18 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

There's nothing wrong with defending something you liked, but I do really get annoyed at the people trying to come off as "anti-smarks" (considering we're all, you know...smarks. It's not a dirty word or anything), and I get annoyed when people act like they basically need to defend Vince at every turn because he's provided them with entertainment.

Providing entertainment does not a great/good man make. Vince isn't the devil, but one also has to acknowledge that he's a pretty nasty guy many times, as well.

Well, I do agree is moral stance is questionable. Hell, people on the McMahon DVD will firmly admit he has traces of his character in his real life personality.

[metylerca]

Jul 9, 2008 23:20:59 GMT -5 chunkylover53 said:

Jul 9, 2008 23:18:18 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

There's nothing wrong with defending something you liked, but I do really get annoyed at the people trying to come off as "anti-smarks" (considering we're all, you know...smarks. It's not a dirty word or anything), and I get annoyed when people act like they basically need to defend Vince at every turn because he's provided them with entertainment.

Providing entertainment does not a great/good man make. Vince isn't the devil, but one also has to acknowledge that he's a pretty nasty guy many times, as well.

Well, I do agree is moral stance is questionable. Hell, people on the McMahon DVD will firmly admit he has traces of his character in his real life personality.

Yes exactly, Vince isn't perfect or the Walt Disney of wrestling, but he isn't exactly the corporate satan people want to make him out to be.

[Johnny Flamingo]

I could probably be considered one of the WWE "defenders", and to an extent that is true.

I do find flaws in the WWE product and absolutely HATE 99% of the women's matches on WWE programming.

I just dislike when people really take small things such as Cena writing "poopy" on a limo, which took all of about 4 seconds of air time on raw, and act like it was the worse thing since New Coke.

An example would be the "torch" having multiple columns and every columnist (and I use that term loosely) making one word a huge issue.

I do find that WWE getting picked apart for small insignificant things actually hurts the credibility of more significant complaints (such as lack of wrestling, divas, ECW lacking an identity, the fact that Mike Knox isn't in the Bash Main Event, etc.)

WWE and Vince are definitely far from perfect, but definitely not the "evil empire" some would make them out to be.

[Bones58]

We'll you've got guys like Wrestlecrapcrap who I believe is a great poster (even if I don't agree with him on a lot of things) because he always brings a debate to a thread which is basically the whole point of a forum.

However just as you get blind-hate for anything the WWE does from some people... at the opposite end of the spectrum it does get grating after a while hearing "Good for business" in many pro-WWE arguments.

Personally I strongly dislike the John Cena character but I'm not gonna say 'He sucks' because, frankly, he doesn't. Just as on the same token I'm not going to start liking him because he's good for business.

But whatever, my main annoyance is people on these boards who see themselves as outright "Anti-Smarks". Yep, way to fight the power

[wrestlecrapcrap]

Jul 10, 2008 3:52:51 GMT -5 Bones58 said:

We'll you've got guys like Wrestlecrapcrap who I believe is a great poster (even if I don't agree with him on a lot of things) because he always brings a debate to a thread which is basically the whole point of a forum.

However just as you get blind-hate for anything the WWE does from some people... at the opposite end of the spectrum it does get grating after a while hearing "Good for business" in many pro-WWE arguments.

Personally I strongly dislike the John Cena character but I'm not gonna say 'He sucks' because, frankly, he doesn't. Just as on the same token I'm not going to start liking him because he's good for business.

But whatever, my main annoyance is people on these boards who see themselves as outright "Anti-Smarks". Yep, way to fight the power

RECOGNITION!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I feel I can die happy now.

Yeah, I defend WWE, pretty much to the end.

When something sucks, I'll say it. In my opinion though, there's been pretty much 3 Raws that absolutely sucked this year. 2 of them were following Flair's send off. One of them was the first million dollar mania. Everything else this year has been pretty much great, with noticeable peaks being the Jeff Hardy build up (the dive off of the cage and then the 30ft swanton), the King Regal weeks, and the last 3 weeks of Raw.

It's just when people say 'Vince is stupid for doing that...' or something along those lines, it's when I'll get annoyed. It's gone beyond personal opinion then. It's gone beyond not liking Cena, not liking someone's push or not liking a spinner belt, and it's entered the territory of bashing the wrestling and business knowledge of Vince McMahon, with random people on the internet acting like they could do better. It's ridiculous, because there are so many processes that go on in the WWE that people just don't know about, but they act like they do. So many considerations that need to be made, and targets that need to be acheived, but people without the first clue about how to produce or run a wrestling company start acting like they are the font of all knowledge.

It's not just wrestling I take this stance on though, it's everything in life. Whether people like to admit it or not, people are in positions of authority and power for a reason. That doesn't mean they will get everything right, but they make decisions based on knowledge that they possess that people not in their positions don't. I post on business forums, and there was an argument a while back where it could be said I was a 'Northern Rock defender' because I defended their decision to lay off a bunch of branch workers while offering bigger bonusses to their board members. It was seen by the masses as being unfair to the little people, to the people that needed their jobs. Not one person though considered the position of why these people in high finance were doing it. Branch workers were expendable and could be found again and again but the new board members that they recently hired need an incentive package to stay with the sinking ship that was Northern Rock, and they needed to make sure they saw the job through. No-one considered that though, because they don't consider it from the point of view of the people that are actually in the position of authority, but just from their own, uninformed position.

I post on football forums as well, and it's basically awash with people acting like they could do better than the current manager at the club. The current manager apparently doesn't know as much about tactics as random guys on the internet that don't have a single professional coaching qualification between them - it's hilarious. Looking at games from a managers' point of view I was able to learn much more about football than I ever would complaining about it because if I look at it from their point of view and try to envision the considerations they have to make, I gain some sort of access to the bigger picture that they are looking at, and it means I then think about things on a higher level.

I just think the sooner people stop looking to complain about things and actually try to look at things from the point of view of the professionals, you actually learn a lot more and realise that it's not as easy as is made out. To constantly complain and act like you could have done better is utter arrogance in my opinion. It's like telling the CEO of your company how he should be doing his job when you're on your first day as an intern. Doesn't work.