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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Aug 6, 2008 14:56:41 GMT -5
Okay, hear me out on this one. As good as Evan Bourne is, we have to come to terms with a few facts:
1. The WWE is fixated on size now. It'll be a good 5 years before he gets even a remote chance at a main event title shot. 2. The microphone doesn't like him. He'll get over by in-ring talent, but his voice is just too soft to get over on the microphone. 3. There is a serious vacuum in the tag division, especially on Raw. 4. His tag match with Ricky Ortiz last night wasn't bad. Aside from the miscued Chavo exit, and the general uselessness of Bam Neeley, it was all pretty tight. 5. They've worked together before, going back to OVW.
This leads me to a pretty obvious conclusion, and that's team them up. Put them in the tag division. Let Ricky get over as much as Evan. Then split them up, Rockers style. Only I have more faith in Ricky than to become the Marty Jannetty of the group. Let Ricky talk, let Evan sell everything like he just got hit by a truck, and then bust out something crazy for the win.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Aug 6, 2008 15:00:31 GMT -5
1. The WWE is fixated on size now. It'll be a good 5 years before he gets even a remote chance at a main event title shot. damn, maybe i need a new TV or something. i'd've never guessed CM Punk was 6'8 and over 350 pounds. that's why he has the world title now i guess. Don't pull that size crap here because that's clearly not the case.
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Post by Peeetah on Aug 6, 2008 15:56:59 GMT -5
I doubt Bourne will EVER get a main event title shot.
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Post by rrm15 on Aug 6, 2008 16:02:08 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio is very small and absolutely terrible on the mic, but he was a world champion. And IMO, Bourne is way more exciting than him.
Ortiz is charimatic enough to get over on his own, but he'd be better off as a heel. It lets him showcase it more, IMO.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 6, 2008 16:05:44 GMT -5
Ortiz and Bourne would make a pretty good regular combo. They compensate for each others' weaknesses pretty well.
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Post by Jay Broni on Aug 6, 2008 16:10:47 GMT -5
I was thinking that they put them together so Ortiz would learn from Bourne, since he obviously isn't that polished yet. But, that's just me.
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Post by Joekishi on Aug 6, 2008 16:11:29 GMT -5
I think right now Evan "air" Bourne and Ricky Ortiz are getting over with the crowd. Bourne moreso because of his offense.
Though it'd be a different take on the Little Man/Big Man tag team, with Ortiz being the mouth piece and Evan Bourne being the workhorse.
yeah you know, I think it would benefit them BOTH actually as it build familiarity with the audience for both guys. They'll develop quickly in tag matches in adapting to TV time constraints, and well I like both guys. also as said earlier they'll hide each other's weaknesses really well.
I don't think they should be a regular tag team, but "best buds" seems like a good deal.
Like have Ortiz cut the promos, and have Bourne just jump around and look HYPEd
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Aug 6, 2008 16:14:41 GMT -5
1. The WWE is fixated on size now. It'll be a good 5 years before he gets even a remote chance at a main event title shot. damn, maybe i need a new TV or something. i'd've never guessed CM Punk was 6'8 and over 350 pounds. that's why he has the world title now i guess. Don't pull that size crap here because that's clearly not the case. And how is he being booked? Right now, the Cena/Batista match at Summer Slam is the Raw main event. Plus, he's facing Manboobs Layfield, another hoss. Face it, CM Poser is set up to be the second most forgettable champion, right behind Mysterio.
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Aug 6, 2008 16:28:11 GMT -5
I seriously doubt a bourne/ortiz tag team is in the works. They were simply working as a team to further the program w/ Bamm and Chavo. But those two do have a bright future but as singles competitors. I say put a mask on Bourne and there's your answer to the Rey Misterio void. As for Ortiz. After ECW i think he'd be a good sidekick/lackey/knockaround guy for either MVP or Carlito.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Aug 6, 2008 17:11:30 GMT -5
damn, maybe i need a new TV or something. i'd've never guessed CM Punk was 6'8 and over 350 pounds. that's why he has the world title now i guess. Don't pull that size crap here because that's clearly not the case. And how is he being booked? Right now, the Cena/Batista match at Summer Slam is the Raw main event. Plus, he's facing Manboobs Layfield, another hoss. Face it, CM Poser is set up to be the second most forgettable champion, right behind Mysterio. and why shoulden't they put the main focus of the Summerslam ME on Cena and Batista? considering they are the most over people on Raw (Whether you like it or not, that is the case). and it's not like Punk is completely swept under the rug. Hell, they've been pushing this feud between Punk and JBL since Punk won the world title.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Aug 6, 2008 17:58:40 GMT -5
And how is he being booked? Right now, the Cena/Batista match at Summer Slam is the Raw main event. Plus, he's facing Manboobs Layfield, another hoss. Face it, CM Poser is set up to be the second most forgettable champion, right behind Mysterio. and why shoulden't they put the main focus of the Summerslam ME on Cena and Batista? considering they are the most over people on Raw (Whether you like it or not, that is the case). and it's not like Punk is completely swept under the rug. Hell, they've been pushing this feud between Punk and JBL since Punk won the world title. When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Aug 6, 2008 18:06:28 GMT -5
and why shoulden't they put the main focus of the Summerslam ME on Cena and Batista? considering they are the most over people on Raw (Whether you like it or not, that is the case). and it's not like Punk is completely swept under the rug. Hell, they've been pushing this feud between Punk and JBL since Punk won the world title. When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise. It's not just that they 'sell a lot of mechandise', it's because they sell a lot of everything. And you do realise they didn't even have to make Punk a champion right? Unless you think they delibrately gave him the belt as some grand master plan to set him up as a poor champion.
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Post by SmE on Aug 6, 2008 19:49:28 GMT -5
Does that mean that Smackdown is sweeping HHH under the rug since the HIAC match is most likely going on last?
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Aug 6, 2008 19:59:57 GMT -5
I dont think its really fair to ask this yet, because the wrestling world is changing ever since Benoit. There are a lot of young guys coming up and the top stars wont be there forever, you have Triple H,Batista,Undertaker,Shawn Michaels,Kane (maybe), JBL, Mysterio (his long list of injuries are killing him), all have less than 10 years in them (most likely) and i think in the grand scheme of things, thats not as long as it seems. WWE's willingness to put the title on Punk is some form of a sign that you dont have to be jacked to make it in the wrestling world. I have no doubt more hosses will be brought in, but you're seeing guys get called up who are your average size. Being 18, id like to say in 10 years " I remember when these guys were on ECW" These guys will build their charisma over time.
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Post by Stewie Griffin on Aug 6, 2008 20:23:22 GMT -5
BLEH... makeshift tag teams suck
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Aug 6, 2008 21:30:59 GMT -5
and why shoulden't they put the main focus of the Summerslam ME on Cena and Batista? considering they are the most over people on Raw (Whether you like it or not, that is the case). and it's not like Punk is completely swept under the rug. Hell, they've been pushing this feud between Punk and JBL since Punk won the world title. When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise. A Summerslam headlined by Punk/JBL or HHH/Khali for that matter would probably not do so well in the buyrate department. Add in Cena/Bats and HIAC and you've got yourself a solid card. None of the 3 World title matches are going to set the world on fire. Like 'em or not Cena and Batista are the most over guys on Raw and Taker and Edge have been building up to this match for MONTHS. Both matches deserve to main event over any of the title matches. I can't stand it when people say Punk is being booked like Mysterio as World champ. Punk still needs to be built up a little before casual fans see him as a main event guy. It started when he and Bats had their 2 matches and Punk stayed with him every step fo the way. Now I believe they are setting up Punk to get his first big clean win as champ over JBL. Another few months of cementing Punk as a main event guy and he'll be able to main event PPV's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 21:40:20 GMT -5
I don't think making them an official regular tag team is a good idea, but them tagging sometimes is probably a good thing.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Aug 6, 2008 23:57:25 GMT -5
and why shoulden't they put the main focus of the Summerslam ME on Cena and Batista? considering they are the most over people on Raw (Whether you like it or not, that is the case). and it's not like Punk is completely swept under the rug. Hell, they've been pushing this feud between Punk and JBL since Punk won the world title. When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise. WWE took your approach in the "title matches must be last" department. Wrestlemania 18. And what happened? The fans sat on their hands because nothing could follow Hogan-Rock. The last match on the card should be the BIGGEST match. Sometimes the biggest match isn't always the world title match, sometimes it's like LT-Bam Bam at WMXI, or HBK-Hogan from SS05, or even the Raw Elimination Chamber from No Way Out this year. The world title probably SHOULD be booked so that it is the biggest match, but that would require the world title being moved to either Cena or Batista, and if that happened we'd have people bitching that they didn't give CM Punk a chance. Wrestling is a business. It's much more than that to fans like you and me, but first and foremost, it is a business. The biggest match goes on last, and if that's not the world title match then so be it, because it's not fair to the world title match participants to have the audience sitting on their hands during the match because they had to follow the match that was the PPV's primary draw.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 7, 2008 0:01:20 GMT -5
When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise. WWE took your approach in the "title matches must be last" department. Wrestlemania 18. And what happened? The fans sat on their hands because nothing could follow Hogan-Rock. The last match on the card should be the BIGGEST match. Sometimes the biggest match isn't always the world title match, sometimes it's like LT-Bam Bam at WMXI, or HBK-Hogan from SS05, or even the Raw Elimination Chamber from No Way Out this year. The world title probably SHOULD be booked so that it is the biggest match, but that would require the world title being moved to either Cena or Batista, and if that happened we'd have people bitching that they didn't give CM Punk a chance. Wrestling is a business. It's much more than that to fans like you and me, but first and foremost, it is a business. The biggest match goes on last, and if that's not the world title match then so be it, because it's not fair to the world title match participants to have the audience sitting on their hands during the match because they had to follow the match that was the PPV's primary draw. Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Aug 7, 2008 7:23:25 GMT -5
When the champion is having a match that is being booked as secondary to any other match of the same brand, yes it is being swept under the rug. It's being swept under the rug for a guy that sells the most merchandise, and that's the problem. Title matches should always headline, not some stupid made-up fued between two hosses that sell a lot of merchandise. WWE took your approach in the "title matches must be last" department. Wrestlemania 18. And what happened? The fans sat on their hands because nothing could follow Hogan-Rock. The last match on the card should be the BIGGEST match. Sometimes the biggest match isn't always the world title match, sometimes it's like LT-Bam Bam at WMXI, or HBK-Hogan from SS05, or even the Raw Elimination Chamber from No Way Out this year. The world title probably SHOULD be booked so that it is the biggest match, but that would require the world title being moved to either Cena or Batista, and if that happened we'd have people bitching that they didn't give CM Punk a chance. Wrestling is a business. It's much more than that to fans like you and me, but first and foremost, it is a business. The biggest match goes on last, and if that's not the world title match then so be it, because it's not fair to the world title match participants to have the audience sitting on their hands during the match because they had to follow the match that was the PPV's primary draw. Wait, are you saying that LT/Bam Bam and HBK/Hogan were their respective PPV's primary draws? LT/Bam Bam was a sideshow at best, and HBK/Hogan turned out to be a comedy routine/smurf you Hogan. And I'm not saying that they shouldn't sell tickets and increase buyrates, but they should do it in a way that makes the titles meaingful. Otherwise there's no point to the title. Cena/Batista doesn't need the airtime it's getting to build to the match, because the guys are over. Sadly, the IWC knows that a match between two hosses is a recipe for suck, but the casuals that are the WWE's cash cow want to see it. The WHC match, on the other hand, needs the hell out of the build. JBL may have heat, but nobody cares about Poser except the smarks, and the ECW faithful. The bottom line is, they should be going to a greater effort to build up all the matches, not just the ones that the kids are going to pay attention to. And the HHH/Khali match is being swept under the rug for two reasons: HHH just became a dad again, and nobody gives a crap about Khali. Really should have put Big Show in the match.
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