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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 29, 2008 13:50:13 GMT -5
How Voyager lost me. Janeway: We have to get down to the surface of this planet. Tuvak: Transporters can't get through the magnetic interference. Paris: I'll take a shuttle down. Tuvak: A shuttle can't get through the magnetic interference either. Janeway: Mister Paris, let's risk the life of everyone aboard and land the whole damn ship. Paris: Okey-dokey Captain. And so they ease a freaking starship down through the atmosphere, whereupon three spindly legs come squicking out of the bottom of the ship and it settles gracefully to the ground. Are you freaking kidding me? It's even more annoying than you fully realize. Transporters are basically a plot device to get the characters from Point A to Point B at minimal expense. Shuttles are expensive and time consuming. And landing the ship, even with GCI that's pricey, so if that's used, it's because they ran out of ideas or needed to fill time. Of course, what the heck is Voyager doing sending out so many shuttles in the first place? They can't go to Warp, have minimal defense, no weapons, and it's not like Voyager has to multitask, it's heading towards Earth, you can't go back and pick people up. I mean, it's not as bad as when the Enterprise-D send shuttles on 6 hour missions that would take the ship twenty seconds to get to. And that stupid back door. I'm glad they created the Delta Flyer, that didn't make any sense, but at least runabouts didn't strain creditbility.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jul 29, 2008 15:34:47 GMT -5
One of the things that bugged me about Voyager was how after 7 years the ship and crew always looked "Federation fresh" like they had just been to a Starbase the other day, no matter how many battles they were in. Stock footage. They never ran out of shuttles, never ran out of photon torpedoes, never ran out of Warp Cores. Heck, they supposedly sunk a whole lot of the ships supplies into building the Delta Flyer, and they had a new one within a week after the first one got destroyed by the Borg. Cop out excuse from me. Replicators
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Post by darthalexander on Jul 29, 2008 15:53:56 GMT -5
I think Voyager has the distinction of not only having the worst ST episode ever but possibly one of the worst sci-fi episodes ever made: The "Warp 10" Episode where Paris and Janeway end up "devolving" into these toad-like creatures who mate and have kids, etc...it was so appalling that I kept thinking "oh, it's a dream episode" but it wasn't.
I loved this show, but what the writers were smoking when they wrote it I'd like to know.
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Post by erisi236 on Jul 29, 2008 16:38:24 GMT -5
One of the things that bugged me about Voyager was how after 7 years the ship and crew always looked "Federation fresh" like they had just been to a Starbase the other day, no matter how many battles they were in. Stock footage. They never ran out of shuttles, never ran out of photon torpedoes, never ran out of Warp Cores. Heck, they supposedly sunk a whole lot of the ships supplies into building the Delta Flyer, and they had a new one within a week after the first one got destroyed by the Borg. Kind of makes me wonder what the crew of the Equinox were doing while in the Delta Quadrant. When Voyager found it most of the crew was dead the ones that were alive hadn't showered in a month and ship was a mess, they either went through the really tough part of the Quadrant, or didn't have any stock footage to help out.
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Post by IsaacMKII on Jul 29, 2008 17:30:23 GMT -5
Stock footage. They never ran out of shuttles, never ran out of photon torpedoes, never ran out of Warp Cores. Heck, they supposedly sunk a whole lot of the ships supplies into building the Delta Flyer, and they had a new one within a week after the first one got destroyed by the Borg. Kind of makes me wonder what the crew of the Equinox were doing while in the Delta Quadrant. When Voyager found it most of the crew was dead the ones that were alive hadn't showered in a month and ship was a mess, they either went through the really tough part of the Quadrant, or didn't have any stock footage to help out. That's what the show should have been like. They had a chance to show a real gritty and ugly side of the ST universe. But instead they went with the standard: 'One! Two! Three! Federrrrrrrrrationnnnnnnn YAY!' like the bastards that they are. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 29, 2008 19:56:26 GMT -5
Re: Equinox Crew: Apparently, they went left from the Caretaker's Array and encountered a few murderous alien species, but not the Borg. Kinda like Year of Hell, but without Red Foreman's reset button. Seriously, Borg space is like the size of the Federation, how do you not encounter it?
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jul 29, 2008 20:54:06 GMT -5
Kind of makes me wonder what the crew of the Equinox were doing while in the Delta Quadrant. When Voyager found it most of the crew was dead the ones that were alive hadn't showered in a month and ship was a mess, they either went through the really tough part of the Quadrant, or didn't have any stock footage to help out. That's what the show should have been like. They had a chance to show a real gritty and ugly side of the ST universe. But instead they went with the standard: 'One! Two! Three! Federrrrrrrrrationnnnnnnn YAY!' like the bastards that they are. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I think that's the problem with ST series in general. What I'd like to see is a series where there's a civil war in the Federation, and both factions have to fight for their lives against each other.
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Jul 29, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -5
My wife is a trekkie I guess so I have been watching Voyager, I'm not done with the series but think it's pretty good. I like the characters and for some reason wouldn't mind hittin' the ol captain there.
I'm at season 3 three so I hope it holds out.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 29, 2008 22:52:06 GMT -5
I think Voyager has the distinction of not only having the worst ST episode ever but possibly one of the worst sci-fi episodes ever made: The "Warp 10" Episode where Paris and Janeway end up "devolving" into these toad-like creatures who mate and have kids, etc...it was so appalling that I kept thinking "oh, it's a dream episode" but it wasn't. I loved this show, but what the writers were smoking when they wrote it I'd like to know. It's considered the only non-canon episode of Star Trek, and even the writter has rejected it. First of all, that is not how evolution works, second, what don't these writters understand about warp Drive? Warp Ten is infinite speed. That requires an infinite supply of energy. It's not real, just a theoretical state, like absolute zero. Transwarp has never meant Warp Ten, it usually meant some kind of technology that was beyond the current generation of Warp Drive. Surely Excelsior wasn't moving at Warp Ten, nor was the Borg ship in Descent moving at warp ten. Granted, it's an ill defined term, but it shouldn't have been taken to mean Warp ten. And you are correct, there are Lost in Space episodes whose quality is improved by this episode.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 29, 2008 23:27:14 GMT -5
All in all I think that Voyager was a giant pile of crap that should be whiped from Trek cannon. It seemed that the male domintated writing staff felt that the only way a male dominated fanbase would get behind a female captain was to make her so sure of herself and everyone around her act like she's the greated captain in the history of Starfleet. The fact that half of the crew was made of the very people she had originally been sent to destroy and none of them every challeged her authority was incredibly stupid. Add in episodes with ideas so stupid they shouldn't have made it out of the writers room (Michael McKean plays an AI representation of fear?) and you have the making of some grade A crap.
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