ToyfareMark
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jul 29, 2008 15:22:24 GMT -5
Generation X was born from 1964 to 1983. Generation Y was born in 1980-1994. If you happen to fall between 1980 to 1983, well, XY cusp. It happens, but you remember the Soviet union, but not Challenger, and you remember a world before the Interwebz. Yeah, don't listen to Rolling Stones. Old tired hippies just trying to categorize things. Generation Y isn't that old, like I think the first true members are just graduating college (as opposed to people who went to school with the last of the X-ers). From what I understand. Generation X was like 1966 to 1976 and then 1977 to 1986 is the MTV generation or its also been called the Doom generation as well. Since I was born in 1978, I've pretty much accepted that i'm in the generation that bridges the gap between X and Y.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 29, 2008 15:27:54 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain, the spokesman of my generation? ?? Not just Hell no, but f*** no!
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Post by demolitionfan on Jul 29, 2008 15:31:23 GMT -5
nice to see by the votes that I'm not alone in thinking him overblown.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Jul 29, 2008 15:47:32 GMT -5
No, the spokesperson for that generation was MTV's Tabitha Soren.
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Vengeance Of War
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Post by Vengeance Of War on Jul 29, 2008 16:09:01 GMT -5
HELL NO. Everyone knows the spokesperson of our generation is..............................
Uh...I'll get back to you on that.
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Post by Vektastic's Tears cure Cancer. on Jul 29, 2008 16:19:01 GMT -5
No dumbass who kills himself speaks for me.
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 29, 2008 16:35:26 GMT -5
He was not a spokesperson for a generation and he never wanted to be. He wore the stuff he wore because of who he was...............not because he was some rich kid who decided to try to become popular by wearing plaid shirts and torn jeans. He wore that stuff becasue before he got famous he was extremely poor and living on the streets.
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Post by Mr. Backlund on Jul 29, 2008 17:39:50 GMT -5
The inherent issue is his suicide created something much larger than Cobain or Nirvana could have ever become. Suddenly, the face of the current mainstream music offed himself at his peak and we, the general masses, reacted predictably: like absolute idiots who worship an individual because he died and let him become something he never wanted to be and never was to begin with. That's the inherent issue with Cobain and the people who have created him into a hero or something more; he didn't want people fawning over him or to have an out-of-touch magazine make him out to be the voice of an entire generation. He wrote music based on what he was feeling, which obviously connected with a lot of people, but his death is directly linked to that rise and realization people were making him into something he found disgusting and disturbing. It's fortunate he's not around now, at least for his sake.
Cobain and Nirvana never dealt with looking as ridiculous as some of the hair metal bands did while Nirvana was replacing them as flavor of the month, couldn't get caught up in the BS that typically ruins a band with that level of success or release an absolute bomb of an album that lets those lovely cynical people in the world to turn on them and call them "sellouts" or "posers". Their image is forever sealed while they were at the pinnacles of their careers and I don't think anyone can realistically judge them because of what they've become.
As Neil Young put it, it's better to burn out than to fade away.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Jul 29, 2008 17:44:06 GMT -5
Well said Mr. Backlund.
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Jeff
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Post by Jeff on Jul 29, 2008 17:46:21 GMT -5
I like Nirvana but Cobain is a terrible role model
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biafra
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Post by biafra on Jul 29, 2008 17:56:37 GMT -5
He was not a spokesperson for a generation and he never wanted to be. He wore the stuff he wore because of who he was...............not because he was some rich kid who decided to try to become popular by wearing plaid shirts and torn jeans. He wore that stuff becasue before he got famous he was extremely poor and living on the streets. Exactly. He never tried to be anything more than a guy playing music. Whatever accolades or pedestals or whatever else people bestow on him or put him on are the fault of someone else. He was a great songwriter who had mental and emotional issues and killed himself. Period.
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Jay Peas 42
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jul 29, 2008 20:14:56 GMT -5
Generation X was born from 1964 to 1983. Generation Y was born in 1980-1994. If you happen to fall between 1980 to 1983, well, XY cusp. It happens, but you remember the Soviet union, but not Challenger, and you remember a world before the Interwebz. Yeah, don't listen to Rolling Stones. Old tired hippies just trying to categorize things. Generation Y isn't that old, like I think the first true members are just graduating college (as opposed to people who went to school with the last of the X-ers). From what I understand. Generation X was like 1966 to 1976 and then 1977 to 1986 is the MTV generation or its also been called the Doom generation as well. Since I was born in 1978, I've pretty much accepted that i'm in the generation that bridges the gap between X and Y. I've heard that too, I mean, this stuff is somewhat subjective, but I've also heard the MTV generation is the XY Cusp, and which generation you belong to probably depends on if you were the first or last child in your family, that is to say which generation your parents were a part of. When it was concieved, it refered to people too young to have an attachment to the 1960s, which is the 1964 start date, and ends in 1980, which is when the Silent Generation closed it's reproductive years. I was in the same college for Undergrad and Grad studies, and knew quite a few freshmen in year 6, there is a difference between X-ers and Ys. In actually, it's hard to write history while it's happening.
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Post by demolitionfan on Jul 29, 2008 22:50:00 GMT -5
I bet that in reality he relished the status people were giving him.This whole thing where he hated the fame and such is something I just don't buy.If you just did it for the music then why be on TV?Why have most of your top video focused on your face 90% of the time?The guy ate the spotlight up and killed himself because he was a wigged out heroin addict.Can I prove his mindset..no...but it seems damn likely to me that his "woe is me I hate fame and money"crap was simply an act.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 30, 2008 0:07:25 GMT -5
Maybe. Although he sure as f***in' shit don't f***in' speak for me.
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Post by salsashark on Jul 30, 2008 1:58:31 GMT -5
I think that you guys are missing the point of this question. While many people disagree with Kurt Cobain's motivations, music, and postmortem cult status, that's not what this discussion is about. The Beatles were considered to be spokesmen for their generation even though I'm sure many people hated them. I myself hate the idea that someone else mentioned that Fight Club's Tyler Durden could represent my generation, but I understand the idea of representing a generation by way of a majority opinion rather than individuals.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Jul 30, 2008 10:07:30 GMT -5
I think that you guys are missing the point of this question. While many people disagree with Kurt Cobain's motivations, music, and postmortem cult status, that's not what this discussion is about. The Beatles were considered to be spokesmen for their generation even though I'm sure many people hated them. I myself hate the idea that someone else mentioned that Fight Club's Tyler Durden could represent my generation, but I understand the idea of representing a generation by way of a majority opinion rather than individuals. Agreed that it isn't about "he sucks so no." But the fact that other names have been brought up that are within his realm probably means he is NOT the father THE spokesperson of a generation. I'd like to think that its Anderson Cooper or someone with something to, ya know, say.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jul 30, 2008 10:17:37 GMT -5
I bet that in reality he relished the status people were giving him.This whole thing where he hated the fame and such is something I just don't buy.If you just did it for the music then why be on TV? (...) Can I prove his mindset..no...but it seems damn likely to me that his "woe is me I hate fame and money"crap was simply an act. I'll tell you why. Money. Just because he didn't like fame, doesn't mean he didn't like the money. Then again, I don't think Kurt had a problem with fame per se, I think his problem with the fame and success was the baggage that came along with it. THAT was something that overwhelmed him, and he didn't know how to deal with it. I don't think he put on "an act" as you say. edit: Add to the fact that he did in fact have a family he had to provide for. He probably made enough money to put his daughter through college a dozen or so times. He, like any other parent, probably just wanted to provide for his family the best he could and wanted only the best for them.
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Post by jamofpearls on Jul 30, 2008 10:19:00 GMT -5
I think that you guys are missing the point of this question. While many people disagree with Kurt Cobain's motivations, music, and postmortem cult status, that's not what this discussion is about. The Beatles were considered to be spokesmen for their generation even though I'm sure many people hated them. I myself hate the idea that someone else mentioned that Fight Club's Tyler Durden could represent my generation, but I understand the idea of representing a generation by way of a majority opinion rather than individuals. I still remember watching him on Channel one when I was in school Agreed that it isn't about "he sucks so no." But the fact that other names have been brought up that are within his realm probably means he is NOT the father THE spokesperson of a generation. I'd like to think that its Anderson Cooper or someone with something to, ya know, say.
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Post by Sickfit, King Of The Fits on Jul 30, 2008 13:20:04 GMT -5
I believe he said that he found it funny that people thought he was the "spokesperson of a generation" and felt that they shouldn't get their hopes up.
So even Kurt would think he wasn't the spokesperson of the early 90's.
And I've decided that based upon how shitty and misrepresented the 2000's have been so far, I can only say that there is one person who can be the spokesperson for such a crappy decade:
Pete F'In Wentz.
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