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Post by Gregor-2012 on Jul 8, 2008 20:53:54 GMT -5
I was looking on AJ Styles wiki page earlier and noticed that he had held a title in a Christian Wrestling Federation and i was like wtf??
I tried to find out what this company was about but they dont have a wikipedia and there is little footage on youtube although i did manage to find footage on Godtube (no joke!) I wouldn't say the matches great but they were ok, but i just find the whole idea of a federation based on religion at bit contradictory. What love thy neighbour then put him in a figure four?
Im sorry if anyone on here is religious, i've got nothing against it one of my best friends is a christian. But i cant understand how this company can possible take themselves seriously? Surley every wrestler is this company must be a face, how would you get a viable heel if all his gimmick's and promos would be stuff the other guy believes in.
I appreciate what Shaw Michaels does,apart from that story line with Vince he's kept it pretty low profile and dosen't bring it up so much. I admire CWF for expressing their beliefs and faith and the community projects they have done, but this just seems a bad mix of two things that dont need to be.
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Post by x on Jul 8, 2008 21:02:53 GMT -5
We do not discuss religion on here due to it always ending in an arguement.
I believe I saw a trailer for something like this on my WSX DVD. And like James Mitchell was supposed to be the devil and Percy Pringle was on there too. That trailer was quite hilarious.
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Post by honsou on Jul 8, 2008 21:11:38 GMT -5
We do not discuss religion on here due to it always ending in an arguement. I believe I saw a trailer for something like this on my WSX DVD. And like James Mitchell was supposed to be the devil and Percy Pringle was on there too. That trailer was quite hilarious. I think what your talking about is ring of glory, which is the faith based wrestling organization that was run by...you guessed it Vince Russo
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Post by x on Jul 8, 2008 21:16:09 GMT -5
We do not discuss religion on here due to it always ending in an arguement. I believe I saw a trailer for something like this on my WSX DVD. And like James Mitchell was supposed to be the devil and Percy Pringle was on there too. That trailer was quite hilarious. I think what your talking about is ring of glory, which is the faith based wrestling organization that was run by...you guessed it Vince Russo Ahh yes. I need to find a link to this trailer.
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Post by gertner on Jul 8, 2008 21:20:39 GMT -5
How many "Jesus on a cross" matches has he done.
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Post by SickFreak: Dusty Rhodes on Jul 9, 2008 0:16:51 GMT -5
How many "Jesus on a cross" matches has he done. That quote made my night. I think Cabana held a title in CWF as well.
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Post by Corporate H on Jul 9, 2008 0:46:22 GMT -5
How many "Jesus on a cross" matches has he done. That quote made my night. I think Cabana held a title in CWF as well. I thought he was Jewish.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 9, 2008 0:47:42 GMT -5
There have been several promotions called Christian Wrestling Federation, or various similar names. Most of them are often done as church fundraisers, and usually have heels that are done in an over-the-top biblically evil gimmick. More recently, they've gone more in route of regular indies, just with the name in place.
And guys, reign it in on the jokes. I don't want to have to lock this thread.
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Post by Rocky Van Heineken on Jul 9, 2008 0:49:53 GMT -5
I loved the Christian Wrestling Federation but I think without the fan support, they were bound to be crucified.
And I guess with the loss of AJ Styles, that was really the final nail in the wrist for the CWF.
But hopefully someday the CWF will be resurrected.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 9, 2008 1:07:59 GMT -5
from what I remember, the decent ones were usually, a nice little concert, short sermon, followed by some good clean wrestling.
Other variants where just like some weird hybrid of wwe style tv and church retreats where it's some the guy giving a promo/sermon, some skits, somehow it leads into matches, and back to the guy giving the sermon and they all tie in together somehow.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jul 9, 2008 1:17:10 GMT -5
I was looking on AJ Styles wiki page earlier and noticed that he had held a title in a Christian Wrestling Federation and i was like wtf?? I tried to find out what this company was about but they dont have a wikipedia and there is little footage on youtube although i did manage to find footage on Godtube (no joke!) I wouldn't say the matches great but they were ok, but i just find the whole idea of a federation based on religion at bit contradictory. What love thy neighbour then put him in a figure four? Im sorry if anyone on here is religious, i've got nothing against it one of my best friends is a christian. But i cant understand how this company can possible take themselves seriously? Surley every wrestler is this company must be a face, how would you get a viable heel if all his gimmick's and promos would be stuff the other guy believes in. I appreciate what Shaw Michaels does,apart from that story line with Vince he's kept it pretty low profile and dosen't bring it up so much. I admire CWF for expressing their beliefs and faith and the community projects they have done, but this just seems a bad mix of two things that dont need to be. So If someone made a movie about Jesus Christ and it was a movie with villains in it about a story with struggle and violence, then It would be contradictory? It dosen't make sense, but I think wrestling just Isn't ready for it for a few reasons. I think the reason why people don't think "wrestling and religion could mix" is because of all the failed Christian wrestling charactors as not being "cool". I think sometimes wrestling fans really forget about wrestling being fake somewhere in the back of their minds. It's like that time where Edge was on a call-in show on tv, and a guy called in and complained about the storyline where Undertaker was in the ministry and he sliced his wrists and also sliced mideon. the guy said that WWE went way too far and that he couldn't watch or show his kids. Edge then asked the guy if he was offended at darth Vader loosing his hand in that movie, and the guy said no. Edge asked the guy id he would let his kids watch that movie and the guy said sure. Edge then asked him what the difference was with Undertaler slicing his wrists, and the guy shouted back "It's real life", and Edge told him "no, It's not real life", and Edge then totally punked the fan out after that. If religion can be portrayed in movies with bloody, gory battles, and It's OK with people, then there should be no reason as to why It can't be portrayed in wrestling. However, people seem to think that there's more of a realness to wrestling storylines than to movie storylines. Heck, the kkk can be portrayed in pg-13 movies, but if the WWE ever did it, watch the heck out.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 9, 2008 1:46:18 GMT -5
I vaguely remember Ted DiBiase having something to do with the CWF, or one of it's copycat feds, but I could be wrong. And I know that Road Warrior Hawk did a gimmick in...I guess they'd be called "Christian based feds" with a little "breaking the chains of addiction" strongman thing.
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Post by Gregor-2012 on Jul 9, 2008 4:19:39 GMT -5
I was looking on AJ Styles wiki page earlier and noticed that he had held a title in a Christian Wrestling Federation and i was like wtf?? I tried to find out what this company was about but they dont have a wikipedia and there is little footage on youtube although i did manage to find footage on Godtube (no joke!) I wouldn't say the matches great but they were ok, but i just find the whole idea of a federation based on religion at bit contradictory. What love thy neighbour then put him in a figure four? Im sorry if anyone on here is religious, i've got nothing against it one of my best friends is a christian. But i cant understand how this company can possible take themselves seriously? Surley every wrestler is this company must be a face, how would you get a viable heel if all his gimmick's and promos would be stuff the other guy believes in. I appreciate what Shaw Michaels does,apart from that story line with Vince he's kept it pretty low profile and dosen't bring it up so much. I admire CWF for expressing their beliefs and faith and the community projects they have done, but this just seems a bad mix of two things that dont need to be. So If someone made a movie about Jesus Christ and it was a movie with villains in it about a story with struggle and violence, then It would be contradictory? It dosen't make sense, but I think wrestling just Isn't ready for it for a few reasons. I think the reason why people don't think "wrestling and religion could mix" is because of all the failed Christian wrestling charactors as not being "cool". I think sometimes wrestling fans really forget about wrestling being fake somewhere in the back of their minds. It's like that time where Edge was on a call-in show on tv, and a guy called in and complained about the storyline where Undertaker was in the ministry and he sliced his wrists and also sliced mideon. the guy said that WWE went way too far and that he couldn't watch or show his kids. Edge then asked the guy if he was offended at darth Vader loosing his hand in that movie, and the guy said no. Edge asked the guy id he would let his kids watch that movie and the guy said sure. Edge then asked him what the difference was with Undertaler slicing his wrists, and the guy shouted back "It's real life", and Edge told him "no, It's not real life", and Edge then totally punked the fan out after that. If religion can be portrayed in movies with bloody, gory battles, and It's OK with people, then there should be no reason as to why It can't be portrayed in wrestling. However, people seem to think that there's more of a realness to wrestling storylines than to movie storylines. Heck, the kkk can be portrayed in pg-13 movies, but if the WWE ever did it, watch the heck out. That is very true. Wrestling fans (and i include myself) are quite gulity of taking seriously that is fake. Im glad people on here know a bit more about than me, i was quite puzzeld at first. In hindsight i think religious characters have been portrayed with moderate success in wrestling: Fallen Angel, The Ministry, Christian Cage, Zeus, James Mitchell, Jake Roberts, Steve Austin, Mordacai, The New Church, The Holy Spirit Squad, God at Backlash 06. If every fan prayed to the Big Man for a good match would probably get the best match ever! It might even be a Heaven in a Cell match. In all serious if anyone does get offended i will try and get the thread locked.
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Post by hutter on Jul 9, 2008 6:45:34 GMT -5
I miss Brother Ernest Angel. He did a great job at portraying the heel televangelist manager.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Jul 9, 2008 9:55:15 GMT -5
I vaguely remember Ted DiBiase having something to do with the CWF, or one of it's copycat feds, but I could be wrong. And I know that Road Warrior Hawk did a gimmick in...I guess they'd be called "Christian based feds" with a little "breaking the chains of addiction" strongman thing. WXO. Full of WCW jobbers and occasional Saturday Night commentator Chris Cruise.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jul 9, 2008 13:03:04 GMT -5
I miss Brother Ernest Angel. He did a great job at portraying the heel televangelist manager. Actually, wasn't brother love a heel televangelist originally?
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 9, 2008 15:07:43 GMT -5
I miss Brother Ernest Angel. He did a great job at portraying the heel televangelist manager. Actually, wasn't brother love a heel televangelist originally? yeah he was
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Post by MM is on a Drunken Patera Rant on Jul 9, 2008 15:38:55 GMT -5
Edit: Whoops sorry, didn't see the warning on no jokes before posting. My bad.
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Post by efarns on Jul 9, 2008 22:08:20 GMT -5
I'm a preacher's kid and Bible college graduate. Part of the problem is that people on both sides of the fence try to put Christianity in a box that has nothing to do with what a Christian is or isn't. For example: speaking in total kayfabe - wrestling is not a fight. It is a skill and strength competition between to competitors. What is Christian or UnChristian about that?
I don't know the hearts of any of the promoters who do this, but personally, I would be very leery of using Christ's name as a marketing tool for my wrestling federation.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jul 9, 2008 22:24:51 GMT -5
I'm a preacher's kid and Bible college graduate. Part of the problem is that people on both sides of the fence try to put Christianity in a box that has nothing to do with what a Christian is or isn't. For example: speaking in total kayfabe - wrestling is not a fight. It is a skill and strength competition between to competitors. What is Christian or UnChristian about that? I don't know the hearts of any of the promoters who do this, but personally, I would be very leery of using Christ's name as a marketing tool for my wrestling federation. Yes, that is true, and i agree with what you said. The thing is though, is that one could be leery about using Jesus as a marketing tool for a movie as well. But, when you have a movie with Jesus getting whiped and whiped and whiped in slow motion with blood spurting everywhere and getting nailed and tortured and beaten and bloodied, that's OK and normal, but If you even say the words "I'll pray for Jesus to help me through" In wrestling, all of a sudden it's taboo. It's like no matter what, It seems more taboo to mention religion in wrestling than in other avenues. Also, I forgot to mention, or give an honerable mention to reverend D-Von. I think that If there ever was a religious charactor that could have gotten over, or actually was over, It was reverend D-Von. Although, I was a big fan of the Mordecai charactor.
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