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Post by Mayhem on Sept 4, 2008 23:27:39 GMT -5
The year is 1991, the Hart Foundation loses the WWF World Tag Team Title to the Nasty Boys at Wrestlemania VII. Bret goes on to win the IC Title from Curt Hennig at Summerslam. I wonder, though, what would have happened if he had gone to WCW at this point, right after WMVII? Whereas it was shocking to some that he eventually got the WWF World Title, due to him being considered small, in WCW a man of similar stature was doing just fine; Sting.
Here's my take on how this could have worked out:
August 1991 - defeats Steve Austin in tourney final to win WCW U.S. Heavyweight Title. This establishes him as a singles wrestler and a contender for other belts. Loses it to Rick Rude, a few months later.
Early 1992 - feuds with the Dangerous Alliance. Defeats Steve Austin for the WCW World TV Title in April. Quickly becomes one of the top stars in the company. Classic matches with Arn Anderson.
August 1992 - vacates the TV Title for a shot at the WCW World Heavyweight Title. Loses first match, then goes on to defeat Big Van Vader to win the WCW World Title.
December 1992 - loses the title back to Vader, despite an impressive showing.
May 1993 - regains the WCW World Title from Vader. Turns heel shortly thereafter and feuds with Ricky Steamboat and Sting. Forms a stable with Austin and Pillman.
December 1993 - defeats Ric Flair, one-on-one, then loses the World Title to Flair at Starrcade.
March 1994 - wins WCW International Heavyweight Title, from Hiroshi Hase, in Japan and loses it to Flair in a unification match a couple months later.
July 1994 - returns to WWF...
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I think he could have been a big deal, in WCW, in the early 90s. Pure wrestlers were more appreciated in WCW, and size wasn't nearly as important. Add your comments or just book it your own way. I think this would have been very interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 10:46:07 GMT -5
When it was mentioned that Bret was going to WCW in late-1997, the Torch mentioned that he almost jumped around the time frame you speak about (1991). Bret hired an agent to deal with his contract and Vince wasn't too keen on that.
I think of the idea as his WCW tenure would somehow emulate Steve Austin's WCW career. Some good matches, yes, but nothing really worth shouting about.
Would this have overlapped the same time that Owen was in WCW? Someone help?
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Post by romafan87 on Sept 5, 2008 15:19:19 GMT -5
When it was mentioned that Bret was going to WCW in late-1997, the Torch mentioned that he almost jumped around the time frame you speak about (1991). Bret hired an agent to deal with his contract and Vince wasn't too keen on that. I think of the idea as his WCW tenure would somehow emulate Steve Austin's WCW career. Some good matches, yes, but nothing really worth shouting about. Would this have overlapped the same time that Owen was in WCW? Someone help? Almost but not quite. Owen was only there for the first few months of 1991. The Observer says Bret could have jumped in May. |
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Post by Mayhem on Sept 14, 2008 21:37:31 GMT -5
One thing is for certain: he wouldn't have become as big of a star, regardless of how well they booked him.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Sept 17, 2008 10:47:43 GMT -5
He would have been there a year or two before going back to WWF.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Sept 17, 2008 15:08:03 GMT -5
Bret Hart in WCW around the same time as The Dangerous Alliance would've given me a markgasm.
My favorite wrestler and my favorite stable feuding with one another. AND we could've finally gotten a series of Bret Vs. Rick Rude and Austin (when he was still working his ass off) matches.
It could've given WCW an extra dose of adrenaline and excitement that was much-needed at the time. But still, this is WCW we're talking about. There's no telling the crap Bret would've had to put up with from Jim Turd, Dusty, and later Bill Watts.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Sept 18, 2008 15:39:01 GMT -5
Faded into obscurity. Vince McMahon was right - WCW would have no idea what to do with a Bret Hart character.
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Post by Mac on Sept 18, 2008 18:24:20 GMT -5
Would have been strange. I cant see him ever winding up world champion
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Post by justinqx on Sept 18, 2008 18:39:57 GMT -5
People would have doubts about El Dandy.
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Post by Mayhem on Sept 19, 2008 20:26:23 GMT -5
Would have been strange. I cant see him ever winding up world champion I don't know. Ron Simmons got a World Title, so I can easily see Hart rising to the top, in a promotion that seemed to place more emphasis on what went on in the ring. |
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 19, 2008 22:27:38 GMT -5
If he didn't piss off the booker, that is. Was Ole booking at that point?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2008 1:28:58 GMT -5
Would have been strange. I cant see him ever winding up world champion I don't know. Ron Simmons got a World Title, so I can easily see Hart rising to the top, in a promotion that seemed to place more emphasis on what went on in the ring. Ron Simmons only got the title because he was black apparently.... |
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Post by scifi1980 on Sept 20, 2008 2:01:51 GMT -5
Faded into obscurity. Vince McMahon was right - WCW would have no idea what to do with a Bret Hart character. With all the garbage gimmicks from WCW 91 to 92 I can picture Hitman walking to ringside throwing out those disgusting chalk flavored valentine heart candies to the crowd. See his name is hart and he has heart designs on his ring gear. Brilliant huh?? I don't know if it's true (wikipedia) but Jim Neidhart ALMOST did not renew his contract around Summerslam 90. Vince talked him in to staying and he stuck around for about another year and a half. So the Hart Foundation or maybe Bret by himself could of wound up in WCW during the summer of 90. Not sure about what Bret wanted to do but since you guys mentioned he was considering jumping ship in 91 then I think it could of been possible for him to follow Anvil to WCW. Depends on the contract and all that jazz. |
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 20, 2008 5:29:42 GMT -5
Hart almost went to WCW in 1991 when Jim Herd was in charge. In the era that Herd was firing Ric Flair...they tried pretty hard to steal WWF mid-to-upper midcarders like Bret Hart, The Rockers (...and supposedly, Janetty gave Vince his notice that they were leaving for WCW, Shawn Michaels balked last second...and that's one of the main reasons Vince broke them up), Curt Hennig, and Ted DiBiase.
Those were the days when Vince worked essentially on handshake contracts, guaranteed very little money (with huge upside as you moved up the card), but you could jump to WCW and be on their TV in a few weeks...and WCW was paying guys like Luger & Sting $700,000 a year, even though their TV ratings and house show gates were in the crapper.
From 1990 all the way to 1997 or whenever Curt Hennig actually left WWF, he was almost seasonally reported to be close to jumping to WCW when he wasn't injured. And right after Herd fired Flair in 1991, WCW offered Randy Savage a guaranteed contract of like $750,000 or something to jump and be the top star...that was in one of Meltzer's latest archived 1991 Observers.
Bret Hart would've been high on the card in 1991 in WCW. At the time, he & Hennig were two dudes who everyone thought would be the stars of the 1990s. If you think Hart wouldn't have been a main eventer during that time in WCW...remember that The British Bulldog was. Davey Boy Smith was good in his prime, but Bret Hart was heads above.
Plus, it would've been neat to see Hart, Hennig, and The Rockers work in WCW with guys like Sting, Vader, Luger, Steamboat, Pillman, Rude, Steve Austin, Windham, Gordy & Dr. Death, and The Steiners during their athletic primes in 1991-93-ish WCW....WCW was SO far behind the WWF juggernaut in those days, but they usually had really cool matches, and Bret Hart obviously would've excelled in that environment.
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